Weird how you are comparing Ole with someone who's won multiple titles in several countries. Jose was expected to do better, and he didn't. But nice to see how highly you think of Ole.
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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It's currently. We're Europe League level team. Even our manager recognizes this. Time to stop being arrogant and accept what we had become.
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A new manager would want time to 'assess the squad'...
There are certain things you can't blame Ole for: Rashford and Jones missing sitters, Shaw fecking up, etc. However, the fact that Rashford continues to take freekicks and basically do the same dumb things over and over again eventually has to be placed at Ole's doorstep. Surely he should be telling 'Rashy' (god I hate that name) that he is absolutely prohibited from taking free kicks. And if that doesn't take hold, then Rashford and anybody else who refuses to learn should be shown the door asap. My worry is that I don't see Ole doing this.
More people not reading. It not a slight at Ole but the ones who went after Jose for saying the same thing.
Mental appointment, but no surprise because the club is backward.
Still a competition.
Players need games and nothing builds coherence than playing together the right way, look how Ajax have developed since the Europa.
If you don’t like it, don’t bother watching or record it
Nothing wrong with having concerns though. The squad is poor, but do you think Ole is the man to fix this? I’m not convinced he can. When it comes to buying the calibre of player we need, will they want to come play under Ole? We’re in for a rough summer imo, signings will be underwhelming.
Someone said on here that they felt Solksjaer came across as to pally with the players. I would agree with that. He needs to view them as tools to get a job done simple as. They don't care about him. They didn't care about any of the previous three managers. They would have to have respected Ferguson given his record.
United are where they are based on the squad they have. Given the amount of money they have spent it is a colossal failure at multiple levels. Solksjaer needs to be ruthless regarding those he doesn't deem good enough. Some of the contract renewals wouldn't be encouraging. He may prove otherwise this summer. He will be gone by Christmas if he doesn't get in and ship out a good number of players. He won't get a different tune out of this lot next season. He needs fresh blood in all areas areas of the pitch. A new team is unrealistic. His first aim should be to make United hard to beat. That will require some defenders, defensive midfielders and a goalkeeper. If DDG does stay he needs to understand that his place in the side is not a given. With Sanchez, Lukaku, Martial, and Rashford United have potentially good firepower. Sanchez will have to paid off if he is to leave so Ole may have to get the best out of him someway. It's an enormous task. Possibly greater than when Moyes came in.
United are where they are based on the squad they have. Given the amount of money they have spent it is a colossal failure at multiple levels. Solksjaer needs to be ruthless regarding those he doesn't deem good enough. Some of the contract renewals wouldn't be encouraging. He may prove otherwise this summer. He will be gone by Christmas if he doesn't get in and ship out a good number of players. He won't get a different tune out of this lot next season. He needs fresh blood in all areas areas of the pitch. A new team is unrealistic. His first aim should be to make United hard to beat. That will require some defenders, defensive midfielders and a goalkeeper. If DDG does stay he needs to understand that his place in the side is not a given. With Sanchez, Lukaku, Martial, and Rashford United have potentially good firepower. Sanchez will have to paid off if he is to leave so Ole may have to get the best out of him someway. It's an enormous task. Possibly greater than when Moyes came in.
It is a weak competition to be honest - it looks like an Arsenal v Chelsea final this year, both of whom have been only marginally less shambolic than United.
Sadly it is where we belong right now in a purely footballing sense.
Difference is that Keegan had plenty of time and chances to influence the team's progress at that point - it was his own project he was struggling with not someone elses. Ole is still playing with a team he's inherited - this is not his project it's leftovers from previous regimes. He shouldn't even consider stepping down he'd be totally unfair on himself and it's also way premature for us to be dismissive of him at this point - or the coaching staff in general for that matter. They need their chance same as anyone else to play with their team and the kind of football they've envisioned. One transfer window and half a season will give us a clearer image of what they're all about - and if we're looking a more decent side (wouldn't take much to be fair) while in contention for a top four come December I'd say give them until summer and until then I think people should just chill out and stop pretending we haven't seen improvement this half of the season compared to first half (because we have we were just three points off 11th for feck's sake and eleven off 4th and also we looked even more lost during many of those games than we did even today).
We should definitely be back in Champion's League come 2020/21 though or even I would have a hard time finding excuses - so I'm not part of the temperance movement as far as accepting mediocrity is concerned. With our current potential and some good investment we should be able to climb back up given two transfer windows and full season to do so - so the only thing I would deem tolerable if we're not top four this time next year is if we're really close while playing positive and entertaining football - with a team consisting of youngsters who are still progressing.
I honestly think they should get rid as soon as now
Funny thing is its us that beat them in the final
Id absolutely want us to win it again, but more so I want the club to sort itself out, and frankly doesn't look like it will
That’s right.
At the moment Manchester United remind me of England. Once a team to beat followed by a steady decline.
And the managers job looking like a poison chalice. They appointed a series of terrible ones culminating in Sam Allerdice.
They got lucky and big Sam shot himself in both feet.
Fortunately they appointed Gareth Southgate and look at the transformation.
Out with the old ideas.
Out with the players who did not want to play for England.
Out with the old fear factors.
In with the new ideas.
In with the new young players.
In with the no blame culture.
No prizes for guessing who should be the next Manchester United manager.
Next season he wont have the post Mourinho bounce and probably no Pogba. If we don't recruit well and sell well which to be honest is a high probability then we will be bottom half come Christmas.
Steady on
Just looking back at Ole's time at Cardiff and this comment shortly after he stepped down seems poignant
"It was the wrong appointment for Cardiff and the wrong club for Solskjaer," said former Cardiff captain Jason Perry on BBC Radio Wales. "Do we know how Cardiff City play? No.
"I think only four players played against Blackburn [in the Championship opener] that played against Middlesbrough. He picked a different back four yet again.
"If you're manager or a coach you have a central strategy and you work on that."
We've seen similar at United. He's very reactive and has no defined vision on how the team should play. I think he's tactically inept personally. How did we end up with that Shaw situation from which they scored. Their keeper booted straight down the middle of the pitch and their player was one on one with Shaw. That has to start with an oversight on how we are attacking corners surely?
Another feature of his brief time as the manager of Cardiff in The Championship was him getting 7 of 9 points in his first three game before losing 3 out of 4. It's like he panics and over tinkers with personnel and tactics.
"It was the wrong appointment for Cardiff and the wrong club for Solskjaer," said former Cardiff captain Jason Perry on BBC Radio Wales. "Do we know how Cardiff City play? No.
"I think only four players played against Blackburn [in the Championship opener] that played against Middlesbrough. He picked a different back four yet again.
"If you're manager or a coach you have a central strategy and you work on that."
We've seen similar at United. He's very reactive and has no defined vision on how the team should play. I think he's tactically inept personally. How did we end up with that Shaw situation from which they scored. Their keeper booted straight down the middle of the pitch and their player was one on one with Shaw. That has to start with an oversight on how we are attacking corners surely?
Another feature of his brief time as the manager of Cardiff in The Championship was him getting 7 of 9 points in his first three game before losing 3 out of 4. It's like he panics and over tinkers with personnel and tactics.
I admire your confidence.
I hope it is not misplaced.
There's no fitness problem with Lingard/Pogba/Lindelof/Young/Mctominay/Rashford etc. The problem some of those guys have is they simply aren't good enough for United.
Yep, if they try and do tweaks, he'll be gone by christmas and it will be the same thing all over again. I think Pogba leaving could kick that off. Losing a player you build a team around, means you get to build it from the ground up. I hope that happens.
Too early for Solskjær sack-watch yet?
The only way I would want for Pogba to be sold is that we get massive fee for him and we invest in 8-9 players regardless. If we sell him and go for the tweaks you mentioned... It could happen
It wouldn't surprise me if he walked after the Cardiff match before it comes to that.
After this bad run he must be looking at the players in the same way most of us have for a while now.
He must have one eye on how Jose wasn't backed in the summer and think the same thing may happen to him.
THis isn't really a big deal for me and is overstated by some. Coaches like LVG and Mourinho have a clear plan, but those plans dont always fit the club. I thought that Ole was a more modern manager who could adapt, i mean he did have his own philosophy, just not a clear strategy, formation or tactic. I do agree of course that it was the wrong appointment for Cardiff, they needed results not a reform.
Fair enough he should have started Herrera over Matic but as Herrera is probably leaving I can see why he was benched. Alexis really hasn't played much mostly because of injuries. Was subbed on a few times but hasn't really started games. Picking between Young and Dalot isn't a choice many a manager would envy Ole for.
Slightly unfair, as he's also had a ridiculous injury problem, but I see the point about the tinkering.
He's out of his depth, but no matter what he won't get criticism. it will be the players and board, all because he's a playing legend, not a legendary manager. Seems unfair.
If he truly loves the club he could resign and admit he isn't good enough.. people will have a lot of respect for him. He was really happy in Molde doing his thing, with his family.. just seems like he would be better off there and us with Poch or another manager who has a proven track record of building clubs. Along with a DOF side-by-side. That fresh approach is what is needed. Ole isn't the answer.
If he truly loves the club he could resign and admit he isn't good enough.. people will have a lot of respect for him. He was really happy in Molde doing his thing, with his family.. just seems like he would be better off there and us with Poch or another manager who has a proven track record of building clubs. Along with a DOF side-by-side. That fresh approach is what is needed. Ole isn't the answer.
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Here we are once again,another managerial mess.
How hard is it for a club of our status to get a decent manager who can actually coach his team to play cohesive football?
It's incredible how we've managed to hire four poor coaches in a row.
Moyes was just out of his Dept
Van gaal was just an outdated manager who didn't even know the right players for his system.
Mourinho was sacked twice consecutively and doesn't even coach his team how to attack, just tells them to launch it to the bouncer he called a striker.
Now it's solkjaer, he doesn't even seem to have a pattern or whatsoever.can anybody actually tell me what the game plan was today?
When a team gets a new manager they are normally motivated and excited, that motivation and excitement usually wears off after a month or two and that's when the team will rely on the actual ability of the manager, you don't give an interim permanent job until the end of season after full assessment.
It's no surprise he was sacked at Cardiff he was probably playing the same pattern of football we are playing right now but with worst players and terrible players plus terrible football is a recipe for disaster. inconsistent players,terrible football,bad results is what hiring poor managers consistently gives you and it seems like we've hired another one again all because of out of depth Woodward and naive fans who wants to awaken some old flame about a super sub who scored bunch of goals of the bench,it's no wonder the likes of herera,pogba,mata and degea are given their contract renewal a hard thought.
For our sake,I hope this guy leaves before the beginning of next season because I can confidently say he'll be worst than Moyes,I can't handle another long season of depressing football after what mourinho served few months back.
How hard is it for a club of our status to get a decent manager who can actually coach his team to play cohesive football?
It's incredible how we've managed to hire four poor coaches in a row.
Moyes was just out of his Dept
Van gaal was just an outdated manager who didn't even know the right players for his system.
Mourinho was sacked twice consecutively and doesn't even coach his team how to attack, just tells them to launch it to the bouncer he called a striker.
Now it's solkjaer, he doesn't even seem to have a pattern or whatsoever.can anybody actually tell me what the game plan was today?
When a team gets a new manager they are normally motivated and excited, that motivation and excitement usually wears off after a month or two and that's when the team will rely on the actual ability of the manager, you don't give an interim permanent job until the end of season after full assessment.
It's no surprise he was sacked at Cardiff he was probably playing the same pattern of football we are playing right now but with worst players and terrible players plus terrible football is a recipe for disaster. inconsistent players,terrible football,bad results is what hiring poor managers consistently gives you and it seems like we've hired another one again all because of out of depth Woodward and naive fans who wants to awaken some old flame about a super sub who scored bunch of goals of the bench,it's no wonder the likes of herera,pogba,mata and degea are given their contract renewal a hard thought.
For our sake,I hope this guy leaves before the beginning of next season because I can confidently say he'll be worst than Moyes,I can't handle another long season of depressing football after what mourinho served few months back.
Then he has cut his nose of to spite his face and it has just raised more problems for him.
Yeah, which I think is definitely feasible. This is woodward we're talking about though, I can totally see him being sold and only 4 players coming in!The only way I would want for Pogba to be sold is that we get massive fee for him and we invest in 8-9 players regardless. If we sell him and go for the tweaks you mentioned... It could happen
He can't adapt at all though can he. What was he doing today when we were trying to rescue our season, last chance saloon, just sat on the bench smiling to himself in despair. Surely he should have been on the sidelines trying to motive and make adjustments? Instead our season went down the toilet when all we needed was one goal against one of the worst sides in Premier League history.
Yes, get rid of the owners and the bankman ceo. Feck the lot of them. Getting rid of Ole will do feck all because the main problem will still be there.I honestly think they should get rid as soon as now
every time I try to understand why we signed Ole on permanent contract in the middle of the season I cant find the answers. You have a club legend in charge temporarily and you have the luxury to wait until summer, Why on earth we do it and the season is still in the middle. It is not like Ole had other offers from the premier league clubs and we had no other chance. It was a clear mistake we did not wait till the season to end and I am sure the club know inside they made the wrong choice and they are going to be afraid to give him money in the summer because I doubt they fully trust him now.
Mourinho put us in this situation. He bought these players, he had 3 years to get it right. He left a mess
At this point, it is quite obvious
I can't defend our terrible form, but our season went down the drain as early as when we lost to Arsenal, or drew to Chelsea. In fact there are probably many points you could highlight and say, that's where our season ended. Today sucks but it had been coming, and we shouldn't blame the one guy who gave us the chance in the first place.
What does he see?
Then try Laird or O'Conner, point is why do what you already know won't work.
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