IrishRedDevil
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More than 2 wins in 11 games would be a nice start.
So Jose could finish 2nd with this lot because he spent money? Doesn't make sense to me. This squad of donkeys got 81 points last year, they also won the EL, they are also the third best in the league since Ole took over. Even with all this mess we're close to Arsenal, Chelsea and Tottenham. Just because we're rebuilding doesn't mean we won't and can't compete. It's only the top 2 that look far ahead at the moment.Its really a shit squad who don't deserve to be anywhere near to top 4. Now if someone spent 400m to assemble that tripe then he must bring in results. However you can't just expect a new manager to just waltz in and turn these squad of donkeys into world beaters.
YesThis is unrelated but will VAR be used in the Premier League next year ? I’ve googled but doesn't seem like there is confirmation yet.
I don't know how fans can be so demanding of a minimum position in the table. There are at least 6 teams competing for 4 places. Some years you will most likely miss out. Especially while rebuilding.
I want you to contrast your post with @Woziak below. Unfortunately, the history of Woodwards reign points to the below. Your very sensible approach is just...much too sensible for an egomaniac like Woodward.It's never as bad as it seems
Example signings
Get Maguire in , lindeloff starts playing well.
Get Wan Biska in, Shaw starts playing well.
Get in a Freki in, Rashford and Martial start playing well.
Get in a high energy CM , Mctomminy and Pogba start playing well.
All of a sudden the team get confidence and a winning mentality is created. This is how it works. Not by getting rid of 8 players and bringing in 8 players.
Can't see why UTD can't be pushing for 3rd place.
Spot on. From the get go, this is what we've seen happen again and again with our transfers. I don't understand how anyone on this forum can forget either.Woodward is just far to detached from reality he will sit down with Oe and say the following;
If any of you seriously do not think this is how Woodward conducts transfers in the last 7 years, then you are living in an alternative universe, so right now, I would just settle for a normal transfer window where the Manager gets the players he wants and needs and then the club finishes in a Top 3 position in the PL, because if you get what you want and have the resources of Man United, even coming third is failure but at least it would be a solid base in the current circumstances to build on.
- The good news is Pogba not being Sold at any price!
- De Gea, Alexis, Darmian, Rojo, Bailly and James Wilson are being Sold for £140M
- Juan Mata, Valencia and Herrera all leaving on a free, you need to use the youth to replace them with Angel Gomes, Eithan Laird and Scott McTominay
- Dean Henderson is to be the new No 1;
- You can have £150M + £50M for player sales because I have a marquee signing up my sleeve (Gareth Bale will then be signed for £85M yes Woodward will do something this stupid and put him on £600k per week!)
- Then Woodward will force Ole to accept the 'Dyballa' transfer of £85M so he will have £115M left to buy a CB, RB, RW, CM, CDM
- Ole decides on Daniel James (15M), Toby Auderweireld(25M), Idris Guaye(30M), A Wan Bissaka(45M), A Rabiot(Free)
- Woodward buys Koulibaly for the whole £115M and tells Ole there is no more money this window so the club sign Bale, Dyballa and Koulibaly
- Three players come in and eight leave with 5 being promoted from the Youth.
It is possible for a squad to punch above its weight under the right conditions. That's what happened last season. That's said the quality is what it is and as they say while form is temporary class is permanentSo Jose could finish 2nd with this lot because he spent money? Doesn't make sense to me. This squad of donkeys got 81 points last year, they also won the EL, they are also the third best in the league since Ole took over. Even with all this mess we're close to Arsenal, Chelsea and Tottenham. Just because we're rebuilding doesn't mean we won't and can't compete. It's only the top 2 that look far ahead at the moment.
That's a failure in my eyes. Top four should be a realistic target. I don't understand why people are saying this. We are not that far behind Arsenal and Chelsea.Top 6, but we need to start showing we can play "the United way" as Ole kept on telling us. I think next season should be sort the state of the clubs structure out. If we can get Woody to step aside and get football people into the director positions then that's a massive positive and I'd take that then top 4 next season.
To be honest a title challenge isn't realistic. Manchester City and Liverpool are miles ahead of us at the moment.Summer clear-out.
Established style of play.
Fitness level improved by a significant margin, no more players half-assin' every game.
A top 4, maybe even some title challenge and a good run in the cups would be expected.
Top 4 should be a minimum next season.2019/2020: Progress being made towards a cohesive way of playing football, a plan on the pitch.
2020/2021 season: top four
2021/2022 season: top three and a cup
2022/2023 season: challenging for the title
Guessing that there's much more to it than it meets the eye. The direction Ole seems to be heading is not to sign ready made players as he has already said. Just throwing out an example here, Bale, if we sign him, would probably cost us maybe >80mil and would demand a hell lot more wages. Has every chance to be the next Sanchez. And Ole is just being real here, if we sign players by telling them that we are gonna challenge for the title next season, when that doesn't happen, unrest and instability would occur again. A rebuild wont work if we are constantly chopping and changing our players, the players that we need now are those that believe in Ole's plan for the next few years.Really annoys me that Solskjaer says that it would be a miracle to win the title next year. What message does that send to players we are trying to sign. He is right but did he had to say it to the world with our best players linked away.
To be honest I don't see how is that different to what any other clubs are doing. Especially City who bought a truckload of players for huge fees until they found the right ones and are now being praised for having a clear plan.It is possible for a squad to punch above its weight under the right conditions. That's what happened last season. That's said the quality is what it is and as they say while form is temporary class is permanent
Most of what Mou said was true. The squad is not good enough, we have alot of deadwood and finishing second with that tripe was a great achievement. What Mou conveniently leaves out is the fact he spent 400m to assembly that tripe. He is as much as guilty as Moyes and LvG who were shocking on the transfer market + Woody who enabled them. Mou doesn't see that as a problem as he believes in a FM approach were clubs allow managers to keep buying new players to replace past failures with no accountability whatsoever. Bailly's does not work? Buy lindelof. Lindelof is not good enough? Buy Toby. Record signing Pogba doesn't run enough for his taste? (he never did BTW, not even at Juve) buy Fred. Fred isn't up to his tastes? Well put a 50m investment on the bench without bothering giving him a chance and ask for someone else. That's the reason why not even inter wants him back. You can't have that approach to football anymore. Players cost too much money
Ole can't be blamed for this. It's not his squad and he deserves the same time and levels of investment others were given to get things right. It took Sir alex years to dismantle a side with the wrong attitude. He also added a horde of players as well and the results in the beginning were shocking
So what I would judge ole on is progress. If next season we remove the tripe, bring in players with the right attitude and talent to succeed, give youths a real shot and we play better football than this year then that would be a success.