This is a great point.
For years the players were able to hide behind Moyes and Van Gaal and Mourinho and they got the brunt of it.
Now we have Ole as manager who we all love, so the players failings are more in the spotlight.
Why is our fanbase so toxic towards its players?
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This is a great point.
For years the players were able to hide behind Moyes and Van Gaal and Mourinho and they got the brunt of it.
Now we have Ole as manager who we all love, so the players failings are more in the spotlight.
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Half our squad are stealing a living.
The other half should be making their living elsewhere.
The other half should be making their living elsewhere.
Having a social media presence doesn't affect ability alone
. It's all about mentality for them putting the work first.You can't deny the players (you know who) spend their time on their sponsors, promote social media, fashion lines. Anything for extra money. I for one aren't bothered what they do outside of football as long as they performing on the pitch, which they ain't (and been extremely poor at it, main issue). And they should be rightly criticized for it - it means diddly squat if they won a trophy. So don't bother using that nonsense.
Less time on that side and more time perhaps getting their fitness up. In fact this team out of 25 years watching a united side I have not seen a side been so poor in terms of fitness levels during a season. So yes, I will blame everything that surrounds the players. Cause it all has a part to play when it comes to a players mentality of succeeding.
I couldn't agree less.
If you don't believe that Manchester United is a special club and its massive support base doesn't deserve far better than the current mediocre squad delivers then you don't understand football.
This sort of shite is what I mean. We had a genius on here the other day telling us that OGS should have had a system and style of play fully implemented by now (inside 5 months with lots of injuries) These same sort of people who laud Klopp the same Klopp who took almost 3 years to get LFC to the level they are
But no I don't understand football because I'm not an impatient child.
Quite an interesting thread considering we literally have the most patient fans in the world out of any top club. You'd see this shit show going on for 6 years at Real or Barca for example and their fans would have picked apart the stadium chairs with screwdrivers and thrown them at the players. 
When you see professional football player overweight, running less than every other team on the pitch, underperforming, practicing dance moves and handshakes it’s enough to make you vomit.
One and done.
How much do you pay for a season ticket?
This is correlation without causation mate. What does 'putting work first' even mean here? Mind showing me where, again specifically, he's put SM in front of work?Having a social media presence doesn't affect ability alone
You can't deny the players (you know who) spend their time on their sponsors, promote social media, fashion lines. Anything for extra money. I for one aren't bothered what they do outside of football as long as they performing on the pitch, which they ain't (and been extremely poor at it, main issue). And they should be rightly criticized for it - it means diddly squat if they won a trophy. So don't bother using that nonsense.
Less time on that side and more time perhaps getting their fitness up. In fact this team out of 25 years watching a united side I have not seen a side been so poor in terms of fitness levels during a season. So yes, I will blame everything that surrounds the players. Cause it all has a part to play when it comes to a players mentality of succeeding.
I'm not trying to deny it. I'm calling this notion that it somehow affects their ability to play football as nonsense. It's archaic to think players should go incognito, or for them to refuse to do anything in their downtime, and yes, all this happens in their downtime, because we aren't getting the results we want on the pitch.
Well clearly it does. If we won the league do you think we'd be having this conversation? Do you think this ridiculous link between media presence and performance would even exist? You know it wouldn't.
Seriously? We are at the point of criticising Lingard for his fitness now?
Just throw shit and hope it sticks yeah? You literally could not pick a worse example. It just vindicates all I've just put. Incredible.You made it about me, by inserting an argument I never made. Perhaps calm down a little bit, and you wont get your replies mixed up with others.
Not true, all my mates are in their forties and fifties and most of us agree that not winning trophies does not bother us. Most of us saw that in the late 70s and 80s, no one ever accused the players of not trying hard enough though. Some of the performances this lot put in make me puke. Martial is an embarrassment to the players who died playing for this club, Lukaku is so out of shape he looks the twice the size of the player we signed from Everton. Lingard simply isn’t good enough so not entirely his fault he gets as many games as he does. Pogba virtually downed tools once Ole got the job permanently, I think to make his next move easier and cheaper for the buying club than if he had finished the season as he started under Ole.
Don’t get me started on the defence
You replied to MY comment, disagreeing with MY point. If you don't disagree with it, don't reply disagreeing with it?
But you weren't correlating those two points in any way...
Because 90% of them are twats.
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No they arent. They are still trying, thats what they are paid to do, the best the can. The fact they arent as good as you or I would like doesnt enter into it. Jones and young were just given new contracts. Who gave those contracts? They didnt put a gun to anyones head and say give me money. Like I said, theres needs to go and theres deadwood.
This is correlation without causation mate. What does 'putting work first' even mean here? Mind showing me where, again specifically, he's put SM in front of work?
I'm not trying to deny it. I'm calling this notion that it somehow affects their ability to play football as nonsense. It's archaic to think players should go incognito, or for them to refuse to do anything in their downtime, and yes, all this happens in their downtime, because we aren't getting the results we want on the pitch.
Well clearly it does. If we won the league do you think we'd be having this conversation? Do you think this ridiculous link between media presence and performance would even exist? You know it wouldn't.
Seriously? We are at the point of criticising Lingard for his fitness now?
Winning the league will never happen with the likes of the players we have and seeing as how far we are behind with other teams. Surely you know this, so there is no point in discussing whether winning the league, the fans won't question anything.
If we did somehow win the league with this current group of players - it'll be because the points I had mentioned, players were more focused, right mentality, and more dedicated in actually playing football rather than what we witnessed.
I can agree to some extent fans never questions things when everything goes well - but apart from my main points, then what would be your reason why our group of players severely underperformed this season? Why did they levels dropped off so much under Mourinho? Only to pick up when OGS starter and then drop off so badly when he got appointed as manager.
If its not a mentality issue, I'd like to know what it is?
I’m personally sick and tired of the reward for failure mentality at this club
Quite an interesting thread considering we literally have the most patient fans in the world out of any top club. You'd see this shit show going on for 6 years at Real or Barca for example and their fans would have picked apart the stadium chairs with screwdrivers and thrown them at the players.
I'm not even gonna tell what they do in Brazil after 6 months of what MUFC fans have endured in the last 6 years.
The fans are not toxic towards the players. Most of the players are toxic to this club. They don't really seem to care that they are stealing a living, having performances way below what their salaries would warrant, and making this great club subject of laughter from pretty much everyone.
Contrary to a lot that has been said, our players are not shite. They managed to finish 6th without giving a damn. When they did give a damn for a while, they went on to an amazing winning streak. The players are not bad, but their attitude is the worst I have seen in professional football in many years.
You replied to MY comment, disagreeing with MY point. If you don't disagree with it, don't reply disagreeing with it?
But you weren't correlating those two points in any way...
Wow. Thats hardcore mental gymnastics there, bro beans. Seriously, you need to take a break.
Yeah, we'd never win the league with players like Lingard. It's not like Gibson and Cleverley haven't won a PL title...
Can you explain to me, despite Jesse featuring incredibly highly in both distance covered and sprints, you've decided his social media and outside interests has effected his fitness?
Too far.
Great sidestep. They were just two, entirely different points in the same post you were in no way correlating. Sounds perfectly reasonable...
I think you need to take a breather bud, it's ok to hold your hands up sometimes.
Because people are sick and tired of working their asses off 5 days a week in order to scrape enough money together to either watch the team at Old Trafford or paying a rip off Sky subscription, only to see these overrated millionaires getting paid hundreds of thousands per week to turn out absolutely diabolical performances and, half the time, act like they couldn't give a toss, whilst at the same time prancing around on social media, either acting like a complete child or acting the big man like they've seen and done it all, when the reality is they've done absolutely nothing.
This is doubly true for players like Lingard who chucks brand logo's on things or creates his own cringy 'JLingz' brand despite having a worse statistical record than Adam Johnson, who's been in damn prison for multiple seasons now.
People have been supporting the players for far too long, only now do they see the reality of the situation, Lingard wants to rub into people's faces how he's one of the very small percentage of academy graduates that makes it at senior level, but the fact is he's Championship level at best, he shouldn't be anywhere near this team, and yet we see him week in week out either turning in another tumescent performance at the age of 27, or see him flaunting his shit all over social media.
This is why people are becoming "toxic" towards the players, they've had enough of it.
People wouldn't be saying anything other than he's just being a prat at the age of 27 and have a laugh and a chuckle at his antics if he was turning in actual good performances and effort, but he doesn't, and never has.
Stealing a living.
This is doubly true for players like Lingard who chucks brand logo's on things or creates his own cringy 'JLingz' brand despite having a worse statistical record than Adam Johnson, who's been in damn prison for multiple seasons now.
People have been supporting the players for far too long, only now do they see the reality of the situation, Lingard wants to rub into people's faces how he's one of the very small percentage of academy graduates that makes it at senior level, but the fact is he's Championship level at best, he shouldn't be anywhere near this team, and yet we see him week in week out either turning in another tumescent performance at the age of 27, or see him flaunting his shit all over social media.
This is why people are becoming "toxic" towards the players, they've had enough of it.
People wouldn't be saying anything other than he's just being a prat at the age of 27 and have a laugh and a chuckle at his antics if he was turning in actual good performances and effort, but he doesn't, and never has.
Stealing a living.
So rooney or carricks past work didnt warrant more tact than "youre deadwood, feck off!"? Because I can thin they deserve better than that, which is what hes replying to. A great servant deserves the same treatment as the worst player because hes declined? Thats his argument.
Why? I made the point first and you ignored it.
As I said, it's throwing shit until it sticks.
When I see players who can’t even be bothered warming up for a game I think they would turn in their grave
Why? I made the point first and you ignored it.
As I said, it's throwing shit until it sticks.
Not sure what your agenda is but if you don't agree fitness problems was an issue, Good luck mate.
If you don't agree players should get their mentality right, and to me that's also dedicating more on the pitch than what the players are doing off the pitch, good luck mate.
Don't put one thing I said,pick a player, throw in facts and then join the two to prove a point. I'd like to know the answers to my questions, since by the looks of it, you love the current players we have and what they achieved this season. Probably enjoyed all the dabs given off by JLINGZ too off social media.
They are not doing the best they can, and if what we are seeing is the best they can, then they are being payed what they do not deserve.
About a grand if you’re not careful
I didnt side step anything. Youre the one attributing arguments to me that someone else made in a different thread, and now getting all huffy about it. Lingards shit. His stats prove that. All the running in the world doesnt change it. He acts like a fanny in public and he gets called out on it. Wheres the problem? Or should I say wheres the problem thats enough to warrant you arguing with various other members over various threads because you dont agree with their opinions? lingard, is fecking shite. Hes stealing a living and he needs to feck off to the league 1 level he should be
.Actually true, some of them really are toxic to this club.
Some of the players have consistently let the club down for 3-6 years.
Some of them also show a district lack of fight
Some of them are clearly not good enough to be playing for United (however that is not their fault, club and management should get rid)
Saying that I do think the vitriol some of them receive is way beyond what can be deemed reasonable
Some of them also show a district lack of fight
Some of them are clearly not good enough to be playing for United (however that is not their fault, club and management should get rid)
Saying that I do think the vitriol some of them receive is way beyond what can be deemed reasonable
Carrick wasnt doing his best??? Even though we barely lost a game when he played? The players dont tell the club what they are getting paid. The club offers them money. Rooney was in decline, he had to go. He didnt deserve better than "feck off"? Seriously? Our all time goal scorer didnt deserve better than to be called deadwood and told to do one? It couldnt have been put any other way? We have to be fecking nasty cnuts to everyone, even the guys who have us trophies? I think we can be better than that.
I'm not the most toxic person, and i rarely waste my time telling people how shit players are, BUT i understand why people are frustrated, and need to vent.
Some players are barely running and are tired after 20 minutes. I/we expect players to be proud to play for one of the biggest clubs in the world, and work their asses off to help the club fight for the top spot, like it's supposed to.
Some players are barely running and are tired after 20 minutes. I/we expect players to be proud to play for one of the biggest clubs in the world, and work their asses off to help the club fight for the top spot, like it's supposed to.
Keep telling yourself that in a world where the bulk of a club's revenue comes from foreign broadcasting and selling merchandise around the globe. Man. United probably relies more on China to keep existing than on the local supporters.
"Top Reds" and the like are just a group of yes men. The moment that the foreign image of the club is destroyed and people don't arse themselves to watch MUFC and buy their crap anymore the only way is down.
You literally said Lingard should be working on his fitness, despite him having extremely good fitness. . There's no evidence, there's no rhyme or reason or correlation.
It's a combination of the players not being good enough and poor management and club decisions. Some players have downed tools previously, but Lingard certainly wasn't one of them. You don't like certain aspects of him as a person, for whatever reason, and with literally no connection you've decided it's a problem. It's daft. Thank you for proving my point.
The cows in the other field are always better than ours. Lots of our fan base suffer from hideous levels on envy, it's not healthy. Always chasing the next thing and then ending up disappointed.