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Martial’s runs are calculated
That’s a new one. His calculator must be broken.
That’s a new one. His calculator must be broken.
And this is why it's better to play Martial in the middle and ask him to press the central defenders than be a makeshift winger that has to give up on positioning for his ball at feet type dribbling.He's doesn't move at all which is the reason some think he's uninterested, doesn't care or invisible etc. As I said it's not all these it's because off the ball he simply a passenger. His style is to receive the ball, dribble past defender and put the ball in the far corner. Otherwise he's a statue down there.
He'll never make it here or anyone else with this style of play and technique won't take him far without doing the basics which is continuous moving and running. Continuously describing the running people want from him as "headless chicken" is laughable.
Lukaku is the 5th laziest striker in the PL. He must go.Martial’s runs are calculated
That’s a new one. His calculator must be broken.
Ok.Lukaku is the 5th laziest striker in the PL. He must go.
Sorry he didn't run around enough to placate the passionistas. he should start "busting his gut" from now on.Martial’s runs are calculated
That’s a new one. His calculator must be broken.
You're still not addressing my point. Football is a team game so if Martial is a passenger off the ball then striker is the one position where you can get away with it. You only need to cover spaces, you don't have to be pressing like a maniac all the time. If he's played in the right system with the other players compensating for his weaknesses then it's not a problem is it? False 9 with high workrate either side of him, where's the issue?He's doesn't move at all which is the reason some think he's uninterested, doesn't care or invisible etc. As I said it's not all these it's because off the ball he simply a passenger. His style is to receive the ball, dribble past defender and put the ball in the far corner. Otherwise he's a statue down there.
He'll never make it here or anyone else with this style of play and technique won't take him far without doing the basics which is continuous moving and running. Continuously describing the running people want from him as "headless chicken" is laughable.
Stop trying to spin it that waySorry he didn't run around enough to placate the passionistas. he should start "busting his gut" from now on.
What are you adding to the conversation apart from laughing emojis?Martial’s runs are calculated
That’s a new one. His calculator must be broken.
He's a lazy cnut - nevermind showing any sort of passionSorry he didn't run around enough to placate the passionistas. he should start "busting his gut" from now on.
Maybe you should read the posts?What are you adding to the conversation apart from laughing emojis?
All i can see is you laughing at posters but not actually providing a response.Maybe you should read the posts?
Martial's work rate and movement is shite. It's for all to see (luckily, most do) and stats back it up as well. He's had a few chances to play as a strikes but he just goes missing because he doesn't move.Why not? His style is very smooth and yes very calculated- I don't see the other players making give and go and do a run in behind for eg. Just because he doesn't do blind running for the sake it is not meaning he refuses to make runs. Fans just wants to see headless chickens because "pashun" or some other crap.
And still he converts his chancces at very high rate and in team that can be devoided of creativity and is handicapped on the right wing it's not bad at all.Stop with this "most clinical" thing. This stat is probably done by dividing his goals by the chances he got. If the chances he got aren't much then of course he'll be the most clinical, and it'll cover the fact he doesn't get many chances because of his awful off ball movements which, if you're as interested in stats, it showed in several stats with him one of the bottom 5 laziest forwards in the league alongside Lukaku.
Again, maybe you should read the posts.All i can see is you laughing at posters but not actually providing a response.
You don't get it. There's no position that can get away with being awful in movement, and there's no reason to choose between being technical and being a runner. Running is the basic for any footballer, then you add other qualities above it.You're still not addressing my point. Football is a team game so if Martial is a passenger off the ball then striker is the one position where you can get away with it. You only need to cover spaces, you don't have to be pressing like a maniac all the time. If he's played in the right system with the other players compensating for his weaknesses then it's not a problem is it?
We stand to create more chances with him as a focal point as his touch is actually stable so moves won't break down as often. He also is an unselfish striker and doesn't freeze in front of goal unlike a certain someone. That alone is more than enough for him to be played up-front.
Okay i'm wasting my time responding as you seem to be on the high-horse for some reason.Again, maybe you should read the posts.
If you can't create many chances you won't score many goals and thus you'll end nowhere near the top even if you scored most of these chances.And still he converts his chancces at very high rate and in team that can be devoided of creativity and is handicapped on the right wing it's not bad at all.
And remember it's not 5k running at the Athletics it's football.
I mean, if you literally read the posts you wouldn’t be wasting your time...Okay i'm wasting my time responding as you seem to be on the high-horse for some reason.
I understand your point and agree in general. Where i'm coming from is, i believe his weaknesses are worth compensating for, as we would have a higher potential as an attacking team with him as the focal point.You don't get it. There's no position that can get away with being awful in movement, and there's no reason to choose between being technical and being a runner. Running is the basic for any footballer, then you add other qualities above it.
The bold part is only logical if you're having Messi or Ronaldo up front, a player that may have 1 weakness but you know he'll get you +40 goals a season so it's worth building the entire team around him to cover for this weakness and put the platform for him to score his 40-50 goals a season.
Of course neither us nor any English team have this kind of player so simply every player needs to play their role and no can afford to be a passenger off the ball.
I don't like Lukaku and Rashford as well for other problems they have. I think we need to rebuild our attack as the current one is too weak in comparison to ther rivals at the top.I understand your point and agree in general. Where i'm coming from is, i believe his weaknesses are worth compensating for, as we would have a higher potential as an attacking team with him as the focal point.
His strengths are greater when compared against our other options. It's as simple as that.
It's flawed using Rashford/Lukaku as the focal point as they have major weaknesses holding the team back. Martial doesn't have that unless you class running as a major weakness and i don't, if surrounded by the right players it can be compensated for like you say.
Martial has regressed. He may grow into a top player, but he needs to show more fight and fight for his place. We shouldn't operate this club where we give chances to players out of default. It's the number 9 role, it should be sought after and competed among great strikers.I agree with your opinion on Rashford. It's tricky as he even struggled out on the wing too as his dribbling wasn't good enough.
I'm not just saying to throw anyone up there. As i stated above, if we are looking to build a fluid attack (which it seems we want to do), I believe Martial is the best striker we have. He's technically superior to Rashford & Lukaku.
If we have the means to bring in a top-class experienced striker then fair enough. But until then, Martial deserves a chance surely?
Where did I say that? I said the next striker should be an actual striker. Not some academy kid who played on the wing and we've taken a punt on up top, who struggles for consistency in goals or general play. Replacing him with someone who is equally if not more inconsistent is a laughably daft approach. What we should do is purchase a striker who 1) is established in his position and 2) has a track record of experience to fall back on. Him blending with James or Rashford, or Pogba in behind is a pre-requisite that goes without saying.That's a horrible way of sorting out football.
Just buying the next footballer who scores goals and hope they just blend in with the likes of Rashford, Martial & Greenwood. Sounds like you would buy Lukaku again just because he scored 20 goals for Everton - when in reality the guy doesn't blend in with the other footballers.
Rashford is literally kick and rush. His decision making is inconsistent, his finishing is inconsistent, he's not exactly superior in the air, he gets brushed off the ball easily and he has a so-so dribbling ratio of beating players. The times he does beat players is almost always down to him out pacing the last man, or the full back (i.e. knock past them and run around them). I don't need you to tell me he's not a kick and rush footballer - I watch him week in week out. The excuses we make for him need to stop. Does he have potential? feck yes, and he can be a terrific maybe even world class player. Is he showing signs of that? It's getting less and less likely he is now compared to before.Rashford is also not a kick & rush footballer - he is a footballer that plays better when the team has the tempo to play with the ball at their feet. The same with Martial and I'm sure Greenwood too. Rashford has been struggling because the fans godly manager turned him in to a winger that spends half his time crossing for Lukaku and the next wondering if be should shoot or not. The same thing with Martial - all the whilst whilst no one has bought a RW for 4-5 years to help the other side Rashford now struggles playing as the focal point of an attack in a team that play counter attacking football where the opposition has more time with the ball at their feet than ours.
What sort of a statement is this? You have nothing to fall back on with this other than an opinion - Greenwood who has barely played for us, Martial who himself is terribly inconsistent with a piss poor attitude and refusal to work on the pitch and then Rashford where we've discussed.The fact is - whether you like it or not :
Rashford - Martial - Greenwood/Lukaku
Is more balanced than
Martial - Rashford - Greenwood/Lukaku.
One player is good as short passes and holding up the ball whilst falling in deep to bring the defenders out of position whilst the others have the ability to dribble in to space with pace and unleash a powerful shot with their stronger feet.
That is all without buying a single player. If one player was to leave here then it should be Lukaku and replace the lad with someone like Pepe or the Nigerian lad for villa Real - left footed attackers whilst trying to get a false 9 to compete with Martial so the lad himself has to step his game up to play either as a False 9 or as a LF in place of Rashford.
I'd sell Martial twice before selling Lukaku. If it was a striker's role we're talking about I'd sell Rashford before him too. Lukaku had a shit season - I get that. I'm not defending his Mr. Tubbs performances this campaign - but I've seen enough of him in 5-6 years to know he's generally a bankable 18-25 goal a season striker. I categorically cannot say that about Rashford nor Martial.If we need a better wider forward then we have players like Lukaku, Mata and even Lingard to sell.
Stop it, the caf is not interested in sense getting in the way of an established narrative... Just because the guy doesn't run around in isolation like a headless chicken for 90 minutes, come the narrative that he's a lazy and you'd think he walks at crawling pace the way some describe his movement. Martial is geared to making short bursts, that's why he's good in tight spaces and making quick but sudden moves. He should absolutely get a chance to play in the middle as most of his attributes are maximized there, it would be criminal not trying it in my view.Martial does run but he runs in a different way. A more economical calculated way. Running is not important upfront otherwise Rashford is the best striker in the world already. If you run in a intelligent way you'll be running less.
Now that i completely agree with. After-all, I just don't want to see us continue next season with the same ineffective shape and lineup, when we might have solutions in the squad already.I don't like Lukaku and Rashford as well for other problems they have. I think we need to rebuild our attack as the current one is too weak in comparison to ther rivals at the top.
But he does move. I always see him make try to make one touch two touch moves and get in behind, he lacks some top speed but its not a big deal. When he did he go missing as the striker? I don't remember this season. The last time he played at 9 we beat Everton 2-0 (January 2018) and he scored great goal. He moves in a different way that is not being optimized in his current position. Thats all to it imo.Martial's work rate and movement is shite. It's for all to see (luckily, most do) and stats back it up as well. He's had a few chances to play as a strikes but he just goes missing because he doesn't move.
Just because fans (and Ole) want to see our team work harder doesn't mean they want to see headless chickens. We were one of the laziest teams in the prem pre-Ole and again stats back it up if you somehow couldn't spot it with your own eyes. It has nothing to do with "pashun" and you and others using that in a condescending way towards people who feel our players should give it their all is getting very old tbh.
That curler he scored... sumptuous. I remember hoping after that game that he would be given an extended run up-front.But he does move. I always see him make try to make one touch two touch moves and get in behind, he lacks some top speed but its not a big deal. When he did he go missing as the striker? I don't remember this season. The last time he played at 9 we beat Everton 2-0 (January 2018) and he scored great goal. He moves in a different way that is not being optimized in his current position. Thats all to it imo.
Yep. Fully agree.He's a lazy cnut - nevermind showing any sort of passion
Yes that was one of his best and more complete matches- but only because Lukaku had a concussion and didn't travel. All the attacking moves flowed like a river.That curler he scored... sumptuous. I remember hoping after that game that he would be given an extended run up-front.
Look at his highlights for that game and tell me it's not night and day compared to what we see now.
One of the rare times we got to see him up-front and he didn't disappoint. People must have got amnesia with the way he's scoffed at these days.Yes that was one of his best and more complete matches- but only because Lukaku had a concussion and didn't travel. All the attacking moves flowed like a river.
He's a flair player and confidence player. If the club tactically and off the pitch is a mess his form will suffer.Yep. Fully agree.
Sell him.
Exactly. I'm still trying to understand how he managed to score all these goal vs top 6 for example without moving. Our ailing attack is desperate for something different and there's clear shortage of proven strikers on the market- all the good ones are getting old now of course it's sense to see what Martial can do and get run of games. If we let Caf have their way we'll line up with team of 10 Rashfords/Lingards and be the new Burnley.Stop it, the caf is not interested in sense getting in the way of an established narrative... Just because the guy doesn't run around in isolation like a headless chicken for 90 minutes, come the narrative that he's a lazy and you'd think he walks at crawling pace the way some describe his movement. Martial is geared to making short bursts, that's why he's good in tight spaces and making quick but sudden moves. He should absolutely get a chance to play in the middle as most of his attributes are maximized there, it would be criminal not trying it in my view.
What I like in this game was that he moves and get into central position, when Pogba or others go left, and that gives an extra option. Goal comes that ways as well.That curler he scored... sumptuous. I remember hoping after that game that he would be given an extended run up-front.
Look at his highlights for that game and tell me it's not night and day compared to what we see now.
This. The guys workrate is statistically proven to be abyssmal. We'd be looking at hard times indeed if we were relying on him to pull his finger out up front.The general consensus is that the movement of all our attacking players is abysmal and there are no runners from midfield either.
Martial can start anywhere in the field for all i care. If he wont make the right runs to stretch the defence and continue to sulk and look lazy, it doesnt matter if he is a 9, 11 or 7.
IMO he should sit on the bench, watch videos of sadio mane, till he wakes up and realizes the effort and commitment expected from an attacking player at Man Utd.
Last time I believe was Wolves away (2-1 loss) where he was brought on to replace Lukaku for the final 20 minutes or so.But he does move. I always see him make try to make one touch two touch moves and get in behind, he lacks some top speed but its not a big deal. When he did he go missing as the striker? I don't remember this season. The last time he played at 9 we beat Everton 2-0 (January 2018) and he scored great goal. He moves in a different way that is not being optimized in his current position. Thats all to it imo.
But is he really so lazy. Have to check those numbers, they are low.Martial ran an average of 5-6km per 90 this season or something like that. That’s fecking pathetic, how can anyone defend him in that area? He doesn’t bloody make runs never mind calculated ones.
No. You are wrong. It's 9.48km per 90 mins.Martial ran an average of 5-6km per 90 this season or something like that. That’s fecking pathetic, how can anyone defend him in that area? He doesn’t bloody make runs never mind calculated ones.