You just know that the Glazers will soon take off their masks and will be Dalglish and Keegan underneath.
#GlazersOut
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
8 years for united not making ucl final.
They will sell. They are not making enough money now. Have not taken enough dividends last years. Thier biggest profits is the club value going up and the debt going down. When they bought the club it was mostly of loaned money and they had high debt/club value rate. But now the debt is less than 500 million and the club value is about 4 billions that is 1/8 of the club value. It is the perfect time to sell. I am sure they wanted to sell last year. But tensions around the Saudi family postponded everything, they will give the family time to make the deal in one or two years.
They have taken around 1bn out of united since 2005. Jeez. Nearly an amount city owner invested into the club.
The perspective are bad with them, with the things getting worse and worse
I reckon that in few years we will compete only for mid table positions, 8th-15th place, because West Ham/Everton/Leicester/Burnley/Wolves/Watford will invest more, will have more hungry and are more organised at 360°
I reckon that in few years we will compete only for mid table positions, 8th-15th place, because West Ham/Everton/Leicester/Burnley/Wolves/Watford will invest more, will have more hungry and are more organised at 360°
That sounds absurdly high, is it really an accurate figure?
I'm not defending Jose, I disliked him intensely, my point is that if you hire someone like that then you have to back him, even if you don't agree, how can he follow a plan if they won't get the players he wanted, I didn't want Peresic, but sure as hell he'd have been better than Martial or Sanchez have been on the left, I didn't want Maguire, in fact I thought we were ok at CB, but there is no doubt Jose was right that we needed someone there, and when he didn't get it he downed tools like the petulant child he is, because he knew we were goosed. As for Sanchez, there is not a chance in hell Jose wanted him, he was signed to for commercial reasons, and to make Ed look great, ADM never wanted to come to us, which is never a good start, and I doubt much due diligence was done on his personality, and how he would handle things under LvG, who didn't want him imo.
It all comes back to the same thing, that the board, and in main Ed are not fit for purpose, and that falls with the Glazers, so why are they not doing anything about it? it's not like it will cost them more to oust Ed, and put someone who knows what they're doing there, also it's not like it will cost them more to back a proper manager in the transfer market (long term), but it needs to right structure in place, which they are just not willing to do.
The only conclusion is that the footballing side is just not important to them, they don't care, and I fully expect a reigning in on transfer spending now, becasue as you say the money will keep rolling in, so why chuck £100's more millions at it for minimal extra income, they have basically got us to the peak income wise for the time being, so they can just tread water for a while now, and just let Ed do all the propaganda work to keep everyone as happy as possible.
It's just fundamentally wrong for United to be treated like this, so some sort of concerted effort in making them aware of how the fans are feeling can only be a positive thing.
Just a basic google search is filled with it, one article.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/oct/04/glazers-manchester-united
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Why do you find it embarrassing for fans to criticise their club owners? It seems perfectly healthy to me.
Would you find it embarrassing criticising a player after years of poor performances? Or does this embarrassment exclusively apply to fans who criticise owners?
How do you suggest fans should communicate their discontent with the Glazers?
I'm so glad to see there is some real movement on this. Any prospective buyer can use our unrest as leverage. We need to keep the momentum going.
I really think the only way forward for Manchester United, is new owners. The sooner the better, imo
If that Journo from SA is anything to go by, they are going to be doing just that.
Have you any interest in the clubs accounts and finances?Except we already did, we were 1 point shy of winning 5 leagues on the bounce with the very same owners and you say I'm beyond clueless
Wonderful narrative, keep believing the spin from thicko twitter trolls as your source of information instead of educating yourself on the topic.
You know what they say, if its online well it must be true.
They are milking the club dry.
As much as i hate the Glaziers we dont want dirty oil middle east oil money washed in the club
To be fair we wouldn't need them to invest beyond buying the club, just give the club free reign to use it's own cash.
They will own the club, I would rather we were relegated.
Not really. £42m last year in interest payments and dividends to the Glazer family, from revenues of £590m.
They are shitty owners but they are not milking the club dry.
Wouldn't we? I thought the whole point of this #glazerout campaign was to get the Saudis in so that we can compete financially with City and PSG and buy lots of shiny new toys. Essentially turn us in to the play thing of a sovereign state.
If all we want to do is "spend what we earn" and be able to compete financially with every other club in football aside from City/PSG, then we don't need new owners for that. We're already as rich or richer than Bayern, Barca, Real, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal, Juve etc etc.
42 million for saddling the club with huge debt!
If they had actually spent their own money buying the club then i would have less of an issue with 40 plus million going out.
well it is obvious that we need to Glaziers to leave as it is never going to happen with then in charge.
No arguments from me, they have been bad owners. But we are not hamstrung financially anymore. It's a lack of ambition and a lack of competence at senior management level that is holding us back and preventing us competing with Liverpool, Juve, Barca, Bayern etc
Get whoever in, as long as they let the club spend the money it generates then all is good. With that we can compete with these other clubs in the market but not when the money is being held back.
The Glazers have only sanctioned spending a lot recently to try and protect a failing brand, but again last 2 windows they have tightened the purse strings.
Did Tampa Bay fans ever organise anything against their ownership?
I'm honestly not sure he would of been better than Martial myself.
Perisic was involved in 12 goals in Serie A over 2705 mins, meaning he was involved in a goal every 2.50 games.
Martial was involved in 13 goals in the PL over 1623 mins, meaning he was involved in a goal every 1.38 games.
Martial was nearly twice as productive as Perisic was last season in reality. Sanchez has been a disaster alright.
Sorry, but Jose downed tools long before any fall out over centre halves. What about his CL loss to Sevilla and his post match rant? Where he belittled the club and praised his former glories? He admitted through April and May he couldn't motivate the players and he demanded that Fellaini also be kept. Then he lost a cup final. He then told supporters not to attend games. The fall out of Centre backs happened after all that.
It's not so simple as to say he should be supported unequivocally, no manager is given that level of support...none! Not even Ferguson got that kind of support as he routinely missed out on his targets.
See I don't buy into this narrative that they don't care about the results on field, why would they make Jose the best paid manager in world football if they didn't care? Did they pay him that kind of salary just to win the odd cup and ultimately fail? When you apply simple logic, it doesn't make sense.
Further more, why invest 1 billion there about on players in 6 seasons... to again fail? They part with that kind of money because they want and demand on field success. It hasn't happened in terms of a league win yet but that doesn't auto translate to meaning they want failure.
Jesus even as kids its inherently built into each of us to not want to fail. Why would egomaniacs like these want failure?
I find it embarrassing running with a fecking twitter trend as a means to get them to leave.
When you dig deeper and look at the information being used as a foundation for the basis of said protest much of it is lies and half truths at best.
As pointed out already by Infared its not "milking the club dry" as you put it. It accounts for 7% of the annual profit.
They have invested their own money as I pointed out already on a previous page. At the point of buying the club they did invest some of their own money / assets into the buyout. Yes the bulk was leveraged against the clubs earning ability I'm aware of that but its not true either to say as many do they haven't invested, cause they have.
They paid of the worst (high risk) PIK loans in 2010. Which in turn freed up profitability and in turn ability to invest in the team.
That is partly true but the lack of ambition is rooted in their corporate model which is to achieve the maximum personal profit with minimal investment.
They invested 200 million to buy one one of the largest sports companies in the world and mortgaged the club to pay for the rest.
Having made a fortune out of the club for next to no investment they still continue to take money out and have the club pay their mortgage. They have absolutely no shame when it comes to milking the club.
When the CEO says "On the field performances don't matter or affect the commercial side of the business"
Success to the Glazers is commercial not on the field and in that regard they are winning.
As for why do they make Mourinho the best paid manager on the planet? Because we have a recent history of overpaying for things... Lingard, Sanchez, Mourinho and even now Ole is supposed to be on obscene wages in comparison to his worth.
Nobody is saying they want to fail, they just don't give a shit about the footballing side of the business when the commercial side is strong.
The Glazers are parasites, it's frankly odd that you have so much invested in defending them, are you some kind of neckbeard libertarian?
The debt already has damaged us, the PIK loans are a shady area of high risk finance due to the extortionate interest applied by the creditors.
You keep on bleating about "but the wuvvwy glazers used some of their OWN money to pay off the PIK loans" like we should be incredibly thankful for that, that they used some of their own cash at an opportune moment to keep the wolf from the door and protect their assets short term future.
Like all parasitic financial operations including hedge funds and private equity, of course they don't want the host organism to fail. If the host dies their ability to make money from the asset dies too. They invested in the team when it was too late, and they have made stupid decisions as per the running of a football club. The "earning ability" of the club, is fundamentally based upon its success on the field. They have been successful so far in increasing commercial revenues, but long term that won't continue if the team isn't winning. They have no interest in the club other than as a commercial entity, doubt they even like football.
You can bleat on about "leveraged buy outs happen all the time" blah blah but the fact is leveraged buy outs tend to be amongst the shady areas of financial practise that are frequently criticised for their anti social effects. Fans have got every right to complain about who the owners are and how they run the club. The fans are the lifeblood of the club, they provide the revenues, fans. If they don't like what's being delivered, or the fact their club was bough with high risk loans, or that the owners don't seem to know how to run a successful football team, then they have every right to complain. And no amount of neckbearding, libertarian, condescending sh*te is going to stop them. So your claptrap is in vain I'm afraid.
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You fervently defend the Glazers at every opportunity, you claim the anti glazer crew are basing their protests on half truths,
Can you seriously say that the Glazers have been good for this club? Can you seriously suggest that the Glazers are running the club in a fit and proper way? Are the club in a better state now to when they 'brought' the club?
I find the lack of clarity in any pro Glazer support in answer to these questions alarming, they generally consist of 'do you think any other owners will be any better' or ' we've spent loads of money' or ' we have won trophies'.
The money we've spent has been earnt through sponsorship deals, through TV rights and not through any investment from the Glazers, let's not forget they tried to lease us our own training ground!!
They have let the academy and training facilities deteriorate and only recently have decided to start putting money into this side of footballing matters after being left behind by City.
Nothing you have actually put on this thread has been remotely positive of the Glazers despite your many attempts, they only highlight more the poor management of the club.
Not that I know of - Club owners sell when they get an acceptable offer, fan sentiment tends to have little to do with that.
Glazers in particular have shown several times in the past that they dont really give a shit about protests etc
MUST have not said much at all about the current GlazerOut stuff - in recent times they have a better relationship with the club than back when it was LUHG and G&G so I assume they dont want to put that at risk as its better for them to work with the club to improve things for matchgoers etc
1.22billion of a turnover in the last 2 years.
So far less than 100mil spent on transfers since June 2018.
So far less than 100mil spent on transfers since June 2018.
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It just saddens me that the whole club is becoming a circus. I’m not saying it is easy to run a club but a pure money man is relying on pure luck when they attempt to have a significant input into transfer policy and the football side of the club. The fact I nearly wrote ‘football operations’ there just shows a big part of the problem. I think the thing that hurts is that the whole thing has become so cynical. I’m not just a United fan, I just love sports in general and one thing I really enjoy is seeing new ideas being implemented in a sport that brings success whether it be by new fitness methods, new tactics, marginal gains, new equipment or just general organisation. What I see at United is a big bloated entity that have strayed so far from being run on sporting principals that it just appears to be a vehicle for others to get the biggest pay day of their career for literally nothing in return. It annoys me that even smaller clubs have some sort of organisation in place that helps them to maximise the returns on their investment in football. At United however I’m sitting there being preached to by so many others that I have to respect a number of players who frankly aren’t bothered whether they succeed or not. I would genuinely take a scenario where we were starting from the bottom if i could see some sort of method to it all and that it may end up somewhere. Instead it just feels like lean times are wasted and are so empty. I think that’s a growing feeling now and we could well see a return of a larger glazer out movement once again-I certainly hope that’s the case
If even half of what is written here is correct, we are in even deeper siht than i thought...
And to think we have actual glazer bootlickers here
I hate the Glazers but no way would I be comfortable with a Saudi ownership. The bottom line is if I walked in on the Glazer family 4th July bbq, took their phones and asked them who we play in the 1st game of the season the answer would disappoint me.
All we are asking is that they do the same thing they did when they bought the club. Be ruthless and get that fecking cash from wherever they can and invest in the fecking football.
My idea for a protest would be for all supporters not to buy any merchandise this season. Instead, take you're most recent jersey, peel of the Chevrolet logo and replace it with the words "FOOTBALL CLUB" in big black letters. "GLAZERS PAY OR GO" on the back.
Supporters like myself and millions of others don't give a feck about hashtags, flyover banners or delusional notions of mass walkouts. The first two are pointless and the last one will never ever happen. Don't spend, don't click and don't like. These are the barometers of success for the people in control of the club. Deny them that success.
Instead of doing those little things that give Woodward a hard on spend those few minutes to copy and paste you're message of disgust and send it to any email address associated with the club. Probably still insignificant but it will guarantee that everyday the club internally will have to talk about these issues. Even a fraction, a thousand a day, would be enough to cause a ripple.
All we are asking is that they do the same thing they did when they bought the club. Be ruthless and get that fecking cash from wherever they can and invest in the fecking football.
My idea for a protest would be for all supporters not to buy any merchandise this season. Instead, take you're most recent jersey, peel of the Chevrolet logo and replace it with the words "FOOTBALL CLUB" in big black letters. "GLAZERS PAY OR GO" on the back.
Supporters like myself and millions of others don't give a feck about hashtags, flyover banners or delusional notions of mass walkouts. The first two are pointless and the last one will never ever happen. Don't spend, don't click and don't like. These are the barometers of success for the people in control of the club. Deny them that success.
Instead of doing those little things that give Woodward a hard on spend those few minutes to copy and paste you're message of disgust and send it to any email address associated with the club. Probably still insignificant but it will guarantee that everyday the club internally will have to talk about these issues. Even a fraction, a thousand a day, would be enough to cause a ripple.
Crazy stuff. The glazers could solve all their issues if they just put the right people in the right places. How stupid would it be if we suggested that Paul Mitchell be hired to run the commercial side of the club. fecking laughable, yet here we are.And to think we have actual glazer bootlickers here
Somehow I doubt they will. I just found this open letter on the Buccaneer’s forum. Apparently this Licht guy is their version of Woodward.