Hoboman
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Mr Solid. Good servant, honest, hardworking player who had only one undeniably great season in his career at the club.
He wasnt though.People seem to forget he was truly outstanding for us for a couple of seasons under Fergie, and when he was shifted to a RB position he was the best right back for a while. Yes he could not cross, but he was a a real beast for us down that right. Don't let his last few seasons impair your judgements of him. He was a very good player for us. Best of luck to him.
By average, do you mean PL average? Like ‘the 10th best RW in the PL’?He wasnt though.
At his absolute best he played as well as Nani when he was stuck out on the left wing.
He certainly delivered around the same number of assists as out of position Nani at that time as well, who also played less games.
And that season where he supposedly set up “tons and tons” of headers for Rooney, there was something like 5 direct assists to Rooney across the entire season.
Nani managed like 4, in less games.
I must admit its been a while since ive had to look into the figures, but I do remember during Valencias best season, he managed Nani figures, who played out of position and less games.
He has always been at his absolute best completely bang average.
By average, do you mean PL average? Like ‘the 10th best RW in the PL’?
And is there a difference between average and bang average?
I disagree with that he was average as a LW at his best. I think he was one of the three-four best options on the wing in a couple of seasons. He was very important in transition from defence to attack, moving the ball with speed, passing surprisingly well for a one-legged and seldom losing it in that phase of play. He also made us more solid at the back.
Nani at his best was much better, but Nani at his just-below-personal-average wasn’t as good as the best Valencia, IMO.
Replacing Ronaldo with Valencia wasn’t a good move, though.
Just utter balls. Utter balls.He wasnt though.
At his absolute best he played as well as Nani when he was stuck out on the left wing.
He certainly delivered around the same number of assists as out of position Nani at that time as well, who also played less games.
And that season where he supposedly set up “tons and tons” of headers for Rooney, there was something like 5 direct assists to Rooney across the entire season.
Nani managed like 4, in less games.
I must admit its been a while since ive had to look into the figures, but I do remember during Valencias best season, he managed Nani figures, who played out of position and less games.
He has always been at his absolute best completely bang average.
He was decent/good for 2-3 seasons but then he got the #7 jersey and turned to absolute shiitJust utter balls. Utter balls.
He had a couple of fantastic seasons and some very solid ones and was way better than you suggest.
You're letting his last couple of dire ones affect your view. People do it with Rooney too.
And Fergie said Phil Jones could be one of the best players we ever had.Ok you value your opinion over Pep’s. It’s all about opinions, but some are more qualified.
Big difference from could be to is. Sir Alex wasn’t to know he’d be permanently crocked. Pep was analysing performances, not potential.And Fergie said Phil Jones could be one of the best players we ever had.
You didn’t answer my question, so I’m still not sure what you mean by bang and average.Well I mean, here is Nanis stats:
https://www.premierleague.com/players/3447/player/stats
And here are Valencias:
https://www.premierleague.com/players/3285/player/stats
Nani, literally twice as productive as Valencia, as in returned virtually the same goals and assists, in half the appearances.
Theres a reason we are in the doldrums right now and have been dogshit for 6 years and counting, and its because we have shipped out every element of flair and dynamism and carried on with solid workman like cloggers like Young and Valencia.
I'm not.Sad to see him go.
I agree completely.Just as side point. Tony was another of our players who bulked up with muscle with a negative result on his game. If you look at his first season with Utd, or last at Wigan he was notably leaner, while still being a unit. Allowed him to be much more flexible and agile in his dribbling.
Add in guys like Depay, Lukaku, even as far back as Beckham adding a load of vanity muscle and losing some of his mobility and you would think the club would be more careful. Someone like Gareth Bale should be a cautionary tale, adding a ton of unnecessary mass, put too much stress on his body, became injury prone and lost his great weapon, that powerful running.
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He'll be getting a (sort of) testimonial
Sounds like it'll just be his club facing our current* squad in preseason so we won't be seeing old faces. Would love to be proved wrong though.Be good to get Rooney back for this.
World class doesn't mean best in the world. Pep thought he was world class at one point. I'll take Peps opinion over some random dudes opinion on the internet. Carry on.Never
what the hell are some of you on about? World Class, best winger in the world?
What?World class doesn't mean best in the world. Pep thought he was world class at one point. I'll take Peps opinion over some random dudes opinion on the internet. Carry on.
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