Marcus Rashford in talks with Manchester United over new long-term deal

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You want evidence that Rashfords ego has gotten out of hand? For starters, did you watch him play during the last 6 months? Many times he won’t pass the ball to a better positioned teammate, he shoots from distance into the stands on multiple occasions, way too much, and many times he has killed our attack. And if you want evidence his ego has been agrandized recently, look for his gold chain with a huge gold “Rashy”. If that’s not a big ego, I don’t know what you would consider a big ego.
So poor decision making from a 21 year old footballer is proof that his ego is out of control? Ok. Sure. Gotya.

Also who cares what he spends his money on. He seems to be a fan of tattoos - and I’m not. Does that mean I should conclude his ego is out of control? All because I don’t like what he’s spent his money on ?
 

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This is a forum for supporters to exchange opinions, and not everyone has the same opinion. Just because some fans believe Rashford is average (that’s not my opinion, BTW) doesn’t mean they are less of a fan than someone who believes Rashford will one day be amongst the best players in the world (not my opinion either). If it bothers you so much that not every fan has the same opinions as you, maybe the CAF isn’t for you.
Difference of opinions should be cherished. Wumming, not so much. If you get on the Caf and claim that no one would pay anything or even just 20m for Rashford you are so far out of context that those kind of stupid comments should be challenged. Thats not expressing a serious opinion, it is winding people up. I would really despair for our fanbase if posters like that were not reacted to.
 

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Himself and martial are potentially good players but their performances are nowhere near worth the wages they are getting now. Same with lingard. I don’t see where the incentive is to not down tools if things go wrong and just continue to pick up that kind of money and keep bigging yourself up on social media. If they are in it just for the money and fame then they’ve already “made” it having achieved very little in the grand scheme of things, especially for a club of uniteds supposed ambitions. There’s inflation and there’s stupidity. Which is it?
 

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Himself and martial are potentially good players but their performances are nowhere near worth the wages they are getting now. Same with lingard. I don’t see where the incentive is to not down tools if things go wrong and just continue to pick up that kind of money and keep bigging yourself up on social media. If they are in it just for the money and fame then they’ve already “made” it having achieved very little in the grand scheme of things, especially for a club of uniteds supposed ambitions. There’s inflation and there’s stupidity. Which is it?
Its neither. Its reality. Rashford is going to get 200k because it his market value. Its what he is going to get somewhere else if not at United. If anyone thinks that United is going to fight the inflation of the transfer and wage market ourselves, please keep on being delusional and not being competative going forward.
 

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Its neither. Its reality. Rashford is going to get 200k because it his market value. Its what he is going to get somewhere else if not at United. If anyone thinks that United is going to fight the inflation of the transfer and wage market ourselves, please keep on being delusional and not being competative going forward.
13 goals last year. 200k per week is not his true market value it’s his potential value. We are paying him as if he’s a top PL player now but the performances aren’t up to scratch. He might get 200k if he went to another club on a free but do you see anyone who’d pay 50m and 200k a week for him now cause I don’t. What if in 3 or 4 years he’s not kicked on. His next deal will be 300k a week or he walks... it’s madness. We are so baldy run it’s just funny at this stage
 

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How many goals should we expect from Rashford next season barring any significant injuries?
 

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200k isn't his market value, it's laughable to even suggest that. That's the deal Salah got just last year at the age of 25 after having proved that he can deliver the goods for Liverpool. Notice that, anybody? After, not before.
 

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Himself and martial are potentially good players but their performances are nowhere near worth the wages they are getting now. Same with lingard. I don’t see where the incentive is to not down tools if things go wrong and just continue to pick up that kind of money and keep bigging yourself up on social media. If they are in it just for the money and fame then they’ve already “made” it having achieved very little in the grand scheme of things, especially for a club of uniteds supposed ambitions. There’s inflation and there’s stupidity. Which is it?
Both Rashford and Lingard come through the academy, I like to think there are people a the club that knows them personally, and knows what sort of persons they are. If they have the right mindset, like Cristiano Ronaldo and David Beckham, I don't see a problem paying them top of the line salary.
 

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I don’t remember this level of crying when Martial got his pay rise. And Rashford has never gone awol and skulked around like he doesn’t give a shit.
 

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He is the high quality signing all united fans have been waiting for this summer.
 

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Both Rashford and Lingard come through the academy, I like to think there are people a the club that knows them personally, and knows what sort of persons they are. If they have the right mindset, like Cristiano Ronaldo and David Beckham, I don't see a problem paying them top of the line salary.
What? People aren’t getting paid millions because they have the right mindset, that is just basics.
Beckham and Ronaldo were / are paid top of the line salaries because they were / are world class players, there’s literally no room for comparison there.
Putting Lingard’s name next to Ronaldo or Beckham is an insult.

I don’t remember this level of crying when Martial got his pay rise. And Rashford has never gone awol and skulked around like he doesn’t give a shit.
It went under the radar I suppose, Martial should’ve never been given 200k pw neither.
Instead of restructuring our damaged wage structure, we’re making it worse.
 

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200k isn't his market value, it's laughable to even suggest that. That's the deal Salah got just last year at the age of 25 after having proved that he can deliver the goods for Liverpool. Notice that, anybody? After, not before.
Hold on a second, that can't be right. Are you telling me Salah accepted a 200k/w contract after he broke the PL goalscoring record? And that we're giving the same contract to Rashford? Please someone tell me this is wrong information.
 

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13 goals last year. 200k per week is not his true market value it’s his potential value. We are paying him as if he’s a top PL player now but the performances aren’t up to scratch. He might get 200k if he went to another club on a free but do you see anyone who’d pay 50m and 200k a week for him now cause I don’t. What if in 3 or 4 years he’s not kicked on. His next deal will be 300k a week or he walks... it’s madness. We are so baldy run it’s just funny at this stage
I´m sorry, but how is Rashford not a top PL-player? He is a full on English international, even a starter at his age. And he has been playing most of his time at LW for United which probably is not even his best position.
He has great numbers for that position btw.
Who would pay 50m and put Rashford on 200k a week? Probably every team in the PL. Who wouldnt?
He is worth at least 100m in todays market. This is a market where Harry fecking Maguire is supposed to sign for City for 80m and put on a wage of 285k.
Some members of the Caf....
 

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What? People aren’t getting paid millions because they have the right mindset, that is just basics.
Beckham and Ronaldo were / are paid top of the line salaries because they were / are world class players, there’s literally no room for comparison there.
Putting Lingard’s name next to Ronaldo or Beckham is an insult.
Well I responded specifically to the part where concern was raised if Rashford would down tools if we paid him 200k a week.
 

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I´m sorry, but how is Rashford not a top PL-player? He is a full on English international, even a starter at his age. And he has been playing most of his time at LW for United which probably is not even his best position.
He has great numbers for that position btw.
Who would pay 50m and put Rashford on 200k a week? Probably every team in the PL. Who wouldnt?
He is worth at least 100m in todays market. This is a market where Harry fecking Maguire is supposed to sign for City for 80m and put on a wage of 285k.
Some members of the Caf....
I guess that would all depend on your definition of a top PL player?

I don't think he is, yet anyway. He's a great talent, who hopefully develops and eventually delivers like a top PL player. Arguing otherwise is being a bit generous with the term, IMO.
 

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200k isn't his market value, it's laughable to even suggest that. That's the deal Salah got just last year at the age of 25 after having proved that he can deliver the goods for Liverpool. Notice that, anybody? After, not before.
Salah was on 3.5 million Euros net wages + bonuses at Roma in 2016-17 season, that's 120K pounds per week gross. Unless Salah took pay cut to join Liverpool, he is on more than 200K per week. This is why I said, how wages are reported is very important, few deals are just reported on base wages and bonuses are not included.

Serie A 2016-17 wages which shows Salah was earning 3.5 million

Di Marzio reported that Salah earns 4 million net at Liverpool and 5 million with bonuses when he signed in 2017.
Mohamed Salah could be returning to the Premier League, the negotiation with Liverpool is on going. The Reds are close to reaching an agreement with the player on a four year deal with annual salary of €4 million after taxes, with bonuses it could go up to 5 million. But the negotiation between the clubs hasn't progressed as much: Roma is asking for €45 million, while Liverpool has offered €32 million, the impression is that the deal can be closed at €40 million. The Reds are also evaluating other options and they have yet to make the counter offer to close the deal with Roma. More updates are expected next week.
https://gianlucadimarzio.com/en/roma-negotiation-with-liverpool-for-salah-continues-the-latest


So to earn 200K per week after 2 contracts at Liverpool, he should have taken pay cut to join Liverpool or got feck all hike in his wages after superb season and when he joined. Both are wrong anyways, it's just how the wages are reported.

For all the low wages Liverpool pay for players, their wage bill was One Alexis Sanchez less than ManUtd.
That hefty increase led to reports that Liverpool had leapfrogged Manchester City (£260million) into second place behind Manchester United (£296million) in the table of Premier League wages.
The 26.4% leap in Liverpool's wage bill from £208million to £263million for the 12 months to May 2018 is partly explained by the signings of Mohamed Salah, Virgil van Dijk, Andy Robertson and Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain during that period.
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/truth-liverpools-wage-bill-man-15830856
 

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The Mason Greenwood that was not close to make the English U21-squad? Him? Something should be done with the newbie-system on here.
I remember stating years ago to an Arsenal supporting mate that Pogba was better than Wilshere. Pogba was playing in our reserves at the time, whilst Wilshere was an Arsenal regular and an England international. Predictably, he laughed. Safe to say he isn't laughing now. Greenwood is on another level to Rashford from a technical point of view. Obviously there are other variables involved in becoming a top footballer, but I would be shocked if Rashford is viewed as the better player once Greenwood has been afforded a reasonable number of games.
 

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He's currently a main player for United and his pay is reflects that. I don't have too much of an issue because this, as many have said, is based on potential and improvement and a consistent standard of good to great.

Marcus has a lot more to learn and improve on his consistency. It's been frustrating to watch him grow because so much is placed on his shoulders and the margin for error has been small. He isn't able to overcome those margins because he's not yet ready. That comes with time, patience, experience of being the man and understanding how to allow your teammates to feed off you.

By all accounts, he puts in the work, has the drive, has fun and wants to be great for the club. It's now firmly within his control along with the coaching staff to develop all facets of his game. If he matures into a player we hope and believe that he can, along with his teammates, we won't be talking about his wage. With time, we hope to be talking about trophies. However there's a long way to the top.
 

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That's a joke of a deal for a player who is yet to prove he is worth it. A considerable talent, but no where near as good as he thinks he is.

What has he achieved? 20 goals in a season yet?

His head had been turned, because there are no guides to put him in his place at that club.

Ole should have dealt with this, but where is he? No comment, no voice, no leadership.
 

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Fair enough although your last sentence is damning for us since Liverpool have a much better side with a wage bill pretty much equal to ours. Can we find any sources that will give us an idea of how much good potential is worth at other clubs? Gabriel Jesus, Sterling etc.?
 

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Fair enough although your last sentence is damning for us since Liverpool have a much better side with a wage bill pretty much equal to ours. Can we find any sources that will give us an idea of how much good potential is worth at other clubs? Gabriel Jesus, Sterling etc.?
Sterling isn’t “good potential”, he’s one of the best wide players in the world.
Jesus is supposed to be on 70k pw.
 

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Fair enough although your last sentence is damning for us since Liverpool have a much better side with a wage bill pretty much equal to ours. Can we find any sources that will give us an idea of how much good potential is worth at other clubs? Gabriel Jesus, Sterling etc.?
Jesus is on his first contract, Rashford was on 20k when he signed in 2016 (not sure if he signed one later again).

All these wages are not consistent, I mean the way it's reported.
 

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Sterling isn’t “good potential”, he’s one of the best wide players in the world.
Jesus is supposed to be on 70k pw.
Sterling was on huge contract too when he signed in 2015 and at that time he was also young player with huge potential.
 

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Hold on a second, that can't be right. Are you telling me Salah accepted a 200k/w contract after he broke the PL goalscoring record? And that we're giving the same contract to Rashford? Please someone tell me this is wrong information.
As you may have guessed by reading the following messages on this thread, i have conceded that the internet provided me with misguided information about that one. Still, it would be very interesting to see some reliable information regarding other youngsters with great potential around Europe.
 

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So is the current consensus that Rashford and Martial are on par? Since when did that happen?

I've always thought that Martial was ahead of Rashford in development, especially given that they both competed for the left wing and Martial came out on top.

Maybe Martial's recent poor form is influencing opinion?
 

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So is the current consensus that Rashford and Martial are on par? Since when did that happen?

I've always thought that Martial was ahead of Rashford in development, especially given that they both competed for the left wing and Martial came out on top.

Maybe Martial's recent poor form is influencing opinion?
Martial is, and always has been, the better player.
 

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Martial is, and always has been, the better player.
So is the current consensus that Rashford and Martial are on par? Since when did that happen?

I've always thought that Martial was ahead of Rashford in development, especially given that they both competed for the left wing and Martial came out on top.

Maybe Martial's recent poor form is influencing opinion?
Really? I don’t know about which is further as far as reaching their individual potential, but Rashford’s attitude seems much better to me, also his bottom level is higher than Martial’s, when he’s off he looks like a pub player.
And even when Rashford is having an off game you know he would at least work hard for the team.
 

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Really? I don’t know about which is further as far as reaching their individual potential, but Rashford’s attitude seems much better to me, also his bottom level is higher than Martial’s, when he’s off he looks like a pub player.
And even when Rashford is having an off game you know he would at least work hard for the team.
Of course, when you take only those attributes into consideration, Rashford comes out on top (although, tbh I don't agree with all of them).
 

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Hopefully the figure is grossly inflated (like they usually are). If not, 200k pw for Rashford is madness. He's done nothing to prove he should even be starting every week let alone being paid as a top performer.
 

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Really? I don’t know about which is further as far as reaching their individual potential, but Rashford’s attitude seems much better to me, also his bottom level is higher than Martial’s, when he’s off he looks like a pub player.
And even when Rashford is having an off game you know he would at least work hard for the team.
The entire team have performed badly the last couple of years, so it’s really hard to tell.

One thing for certain though, is Rashford has never had a season as good as Martial’s first season here (18 goals, 11 assists).

I think Martial has more natural ability and when he’s on form his dribbling ability is sensational and a joy to watch.

I’m happy they are both Man United players, of course. I hope they can both improve and help the team succeed.
 

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The Mason Greenwood that was not close to make the English U21-squad? Him? Something should be done with the newbie-system on here.
Your comment is equally as daft, Greenwood’s 17 as if he was ever going to make the U21 squad when his competition is players with actual senior experience.
 

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Really? I don’t know about which is further as far as reaching their individual potential, but Rashford’s attitude seems much better to me, also his bottom level is higher than Martial’s, when he’s off he looks like a pub player.
And even when Rashford is having an off game you know he would at least work hard for the team.
that's what it is really, Martial has everything to be a top top top player but he lacks the professionalism and the determination to do. Rashford can become a very good player that bracket of players who are great but not truely world class in terms of ability but looks to have the drive to fulfill his Potential, example:

Rashford would be considered a Thomas muller(though he is a better technique wise) , not absolutely the best in terms of dribbling, passing shooting etc but very effective high workrate and when not on a good day he will be still be use full for the team.

Martial is like Ozil, an absolutely technical beast of a player can become one of the best players but lack the mental drive to become the best player.

What United fans would love to happen is that both these players fulfil their potential and they have two Augero's of their own but at this moment that doesn't look like its gonna happen.
 

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How exactly do you do that? Say, you start contract talks 2 seasons in advance. A player is making 100 k currently and is demanding 200k for a new contract plus the signing-on bonus. You find it too much and offer 150k max. The player does not agree. How do you do "adios"? Try to sell him? What if he does not move? Do you bench him, put in reserves? Any player has a guaranteed right to run his contract down. You either convince him to extend, and if he does not agree, he either sees his contract out or moves elsewhere. It is up to the player to decide whether he fancies a move or not. If he does not, he sees his contract out.
People think way too simplistic with situations like this.

Just like with Herrera, he was in contract discussions from the previous season and didn't sign and it ran into this last season. He managed to get other people interested in him and got a wage outside of our budget for him. He played the game and he won. We couldn't force him to sign.

Rashford signed a new contract in 2016 that lasted until next season and gives us the extension option also. He also gets a wage rise each year. Leaving it until next season puts us back in the De Gea/Martial situations. Best to sort it from now.
 

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Jesus is on his first contract, Rashford was on 20k when he signed in 2016 (not sure if he signed one later again).

All these wages are not consistent, I mean the way it's reported.
Didn't see where Rashford signed a new one when I searched. I just saw that his wages increase each year he's been with us since then.
 
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