Get a grip.Guys this was never happening, our clearly very smart and totally not braindead decision makers surely knew that to be successful you must neglect a position for a nearly a decade. The right wing doesn't matter you fools, we should keep letting this massive whole in our team continue to exist. Have fun Arsenal you idiots!!!! Don't you know a Right Winger is a very bad unimportant position you crayon eaters!!! I am glad we are ignoring this spot again and a top four rival is wasting time signing a definitely not useful player for a very redundant part of the team
Nicolas Pepe - Signs for Arsenal
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Sounds like a post of sour grapes since Arsenal will be getting him. No guarantee that Sancho will come here next season. In fact, I'll guarantee you that he WILL NOT join United at all. Pepe is a good player and we again let him get away like we did with Tielemans, Ndombele and now Pepe.
If the reported price of £72m is true thats insane, more than double what Chelsea paid for Hazard.
How many years are in between though? Pointless comparison given the change in the market. Or should we compare Pogba with Vieira?
Crazy money still.
Prices are inflated beyond belief, good signing for them though. They are having a decent window it seems. Thought they had no funds because they missed the CL?
Actually not really... if he can deliver 15 odd goals in the league this coming season, that'll be a huge bargain.... PS: 75m is the new 35m... I mean Maguire is going for 80m.... without achieving anything...
Of course there's inflation but it was in the same decade at least. Anyways, that's Hazard money and then some, must be really confident about him.
He can dribble
Don't really understand where the complaints about his touch and dribbling are coming from tbh.
May God have mercy on their 'Defence'.
Comparing a 2012 fee with a 2019 fee. Besides, Arsenal are paying in instalments. Pepe was the fourth highest scorer in all Europe last season, and second highest scorer in Ligue 1 ahead of Neymar and Cavani, and he is only 24. Very good deal for Arsenal.
How is that though. If we sign up Bruno and maguire, we'd have easily shown more ambition than them. They're not the right barometer to gauge our ambitions and ofcourse the glazers can spend more but let's not go overboard with the hyperbole.
We can always prioritize Sancho like we prioritized De Ligt, but Sancho may never prioritize us, when he became available there will be many big clubs interest in him. And our right side need reinforcement badly.
Checkout the one about Jesse’s dance floor.
It's just fubby that even Arsenal manage to make a big RW signing before us.
Have we learnt nothing in the past few years. How do we manage to go into the league yet again without a RW amazes me.
Don't worry we've got young Lingard.
All good man. Once Hawks announce Coniglio is coming as a FA, and that we are trading for Whitfield who wants to play for his boyhood club, then all the pain will be washed away.Guys this was never happening, our clearly very smart and totally not braindead decision makers surely knew that to be successful you must neglect a position for a nearly a decade. The right wing doesn't matter you fools, we should keep letting this massive whole in our team continue to exist. Have fun Arsenal you idiots!!!! Don't you know a Right Winger is a very bad unimportant position you crayon eaters!!! I am glad we are ignoring this spot again and a top four rival is wasting time signing a definitely not useful player for a very redundant part of the team
Also, are you on BigFooty?
I'm curious, what does fubby mean?
Seems like it. It’s simple- when you don’t have a player for a position, you buy one. Unless Ole would much rather go with Rashford there (or one of the young guys) and Martial in the center. I very much hope so
Well I've learned something today, thank you.
Yeah the GWS raid should be good, though I got a feeling cogs will take the big money from Carlton. I am on BigFooty but I mostly just lurk.
So there is no guarantee he will join United, but you guarantee he won't join United? The only one speaking nonsense is you. I don't think others have ever said Sancho is a guarantee next season. People are simply saying if the strategy is to go for Sancho, people would rather do that then just end up with a poor man's version of Sancho.
The reason for that is simple. Sancho clearly prioritizes his career above all else. This is why he chose to leave City for Dortmund as he thought it was best for his development. If United had Pepe, United would likely not go for Sancho and Sancho would or rather, could have reservations about joining United where he isn't guaranteed to start. From the rumors it seems that Sancho wants to be part of a CL squad. Maybe Pepe guarantees that part, but then again, if that is the case, why go for Sancho when there would be other pressing needs? As of right now our right wing is much improved from simply having AWB. It's not like the right side problem was only due to not having a winger. The problem was two-fold.
What clubs are a threat to sign Sancho next season? It won't be Arsenal as they don't spend that much. It won't be Spurs. It's probably not City as City have too much competition and I don't think Sancho won't take that into account. Its probably Chelsea that is the biggest threat. They just lost Hazard and have Lampard as their manager. It could very easily become a bad situation.
If that's the case, I think United have a great shot at him.
I am just a bit puzzled as to why Arsenal are prepared to pay over 70mil for Pepe and yet supposedly only bid 40mil for Zaha who admits to being a huge Arsenal fan; Maybe they were put off by Palace playing hardball with us on AWB but you would have to think Zaha would hit the ground running and a bid of 60mil would have been worth a try.
Everyone keeps overlooking the fact that Crystal Palace wanted a larger fee up front. We had too many technical add-ons, such as qualifying for the champions league etc. A club like Palace are too cash rich to accept a structured transfer.
For Pepe however, rumor says it's something like £14 million per year for 5 years. Arsenal have also agreed to pay the commission the agents of Pepe want. This means we are still within our transfer budget. Ridiculous if true because this plays out perfectly for us
So I don't think you understand English for one because I said that there's no guarantee that Sancho will join United (which is a fact). Also, in my opinion, I think he won't join United... because I feel that there will be other lucrative options that may come by next year (and yes, being at Dortmund should be considered one of them)
You do realize that the last recognized RW we signed, was Valencia back in 2009. Since then we've had to use Lingard, Mata, Dalot, Ashley Young, Rashford (neither of whom are actually RW). You could argue that we bought Depay and Angel Di Maria but neither of them actually played on the RW. They were predominately used on the left side.
As for Sancho's options, no doubt he's someone whose grounded and would strategically choose where to go next. But what makes you think that United would be the best position for him? All the options you mentioned were from the PL. For all you know, he wouldn't want to come to the PL.
Juventus may look to freshen things up next season and go for Sancho. There's a high chance they could lose Dybala.
Also, Bayern have just moved on Ribery and Robben and are looking to have their positions filled up. The natural progression of most Dortmund players is to end up at Bayern, so they could also be an option.
Chelsea, as you mentioned will look to spend big next season since they lost Hazard and will try to get a marquee player and Sancho would be that marquee player who could play for them for years to come especially if they qualify for Europe again with Lampard in-charge.
PSG is another team which cannot be taken out of the equation. They are constantly on the watch out for superstar caliber players especially if they move Neymar on. If Liverpool lose Salah to Real or PSG next year, they will be in the market for a RW and considering how dormant they've been in the market, they could use up the money they haven't spent in this summer for next summer.
Lastly, Real Madrid, who have already had a bad preseason with the 7-2 drubbing by Atletico. They will continue spending to try and win the La Liga again. Very few players have refused to turn down Real in the past if they come calling, I don't think Sancho could resist.
There you go, I've mentioned 6 teams who are in a better position than us who could persuade Sancho to join them instead of us. And as stated earlier, he could remain at Dortmund to further improve on himself. Last but not the least, Sancho's worth is around 90 - 100m at the moment. If he continues to improve, he will be worth around 120m or so and do you think Ed or the board will be convinced to spend that much on him?
I’m just waiting for someone to point out that Pepe’s fee is almost as much as Real Madrid paid to sign Ronaldo
Kike reckons the fee agreed isn’t as high as being quoted, who knows though. Outside of PSG though he was seen as the best player in France last season, going to command a high fee. We may also pay a premium because we are trying to sign top players with no CL football for the last 3 years.
Let’s see if we can get this over the line though, massive transfer for us if we can. Get Tierney & a CB (even on loan) and I think top 4 is back on.
Palace want the deal to be front loaded, which doesn’t work for us (or most clubs for that matter) and I think Pepe is younger and for many has a higher ceiling.
I agree though with Zaha three is less risk and more likely he’d settle in quicker. However I do think Pepe could become a 15-20 goals a season man and Zaha that seems less likely.
No pressure then in that spineless of an Arsenal team. For this guy's sake, hope he does not need too much time to adjust
Is there some kind of clause that allows them to cancel the remaining payments if the player doesn't do well? Because if not, it's still a 72M transfer, it just enables Arsenal to sign him now with their tight budget. Also, Hazard won the league for Lille and was the league's best player of the year, twice. He was chased by a host of top clubs. I was comparing a lot more than just the fee.
Hazard had a buyout clause in his contract, so his price was fixed and I remember like 5 or 6 clubs agreed with the fee but as Chelsea had won the CL and were offering him most wages he joined them. Also when Hazard played in France the current PSG project was just starting. For example the next season Montpellier won the league with Giroud finishing top scorer. Outside of PSG many regarded Pepe as the best player in the league, helped them finish 2nd behind PSG. I wouldn't regard Pepe a talent like Hazard either.
No there is never a clause like that, you pay the full fee no matter what.
Hmm fair enough, I forgot or didnt know about the clause, I did remember he milked the transfer saga a bit like Griezmann.
Probably the same guys that said AWB and James aren’t technical and can’t dribble either
Didn't he announce it social media or something? I remember that actually, everyone eagerly awaiting what his choice was
Have to say I’m really shocked by this a 70m-80m signing straight out of nowhere. What a crazy move if the club pulls it off from a 45m budget to a signing like this with no warning. I know nothing about this guy apart from what I’ve seen in YouTube reels but we need a winger as badly as we need a central defender.
I hope there are more similar deals in the pipeline. What a blow for Zaha though publicly trying to force a move through only for us to sign his international team mate. My only problem with this signing would be Pepe is clearly second choice as we did make a few bids for Zaha.
I hope there are more similar deals in the pipeline. What a blow for Zaha though publicly trying to force a move through only for us to sign his international team mate. My only problem with this signing would be Pepe is clearly second choice as we did make a few bids for Zaha.
He didn't, they are illegal in France.
None anywhere near what you're spending on Pepe. Seems clear to me you just didn't rate Zaha that much actually. Or simply rate Pepe a lot
From what little info is available Palace wanted money up front while Lille are accepting it staggered and with add ons. I do believe the interest in Zaha was genuine and if we had managed to strike a deal we wouldn’t be signing Pepe.
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