Ole loves Lingard for his willingness to press and win the ball back. If he were more interested in incisive passing and pure footballing ability, he'd start Mata. I don't claim to be an expert on Dybala, but I don't think it's cut-and-dried that he'd take the No.10 position from Lingard.
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RVP was relatively strong and tall-ish, but he wasn't exactly fast or a pillar of strength like other strikers. He made it work with his magnificent technical ability and quick mind, which is something I think Dybala has - but I haven't watched him a whole lot so others may be better placed to make an assessment.
I wonder if getting Dybala would make Pogba want to stay more (and more likely to stay)
You would like to think so. They seemed to gel well on and off the pitch.
Still feels too early to go on a YouTube binge. But I badly want us to pull this off.
Wow can’t believe that this might just happen!
I’m pretty sure Ole would prefer a better footballer over someone who is just good at the press. We are trying to increase goals after all.
You better keep those pants unzipped.
I do think Dybala's overrated and United don't need him. But given Lukaku is in the equation, sure I'd swap them anytime.
Swapping Lukaku for Dybala would be a dream move for everyone involved really. Dybala fits our new playing style much better and so does Lukaku with Juve. Woodward might just redeem himself here.
Which is ridiculous. Dybala is twice the player Lingard is. If there is even a question of who starts over Lingard or Dybala, epitomizes everything wrong with the club since SAF left.
RVP was incredible back to goal. His hold-up play was superb.
He's a bit underrated imo.
He can play, but you won't get the best out of him that way. Put him centrally and you'll have fantastic player.
It is same as getting Griezmann and playing him at RW. Yeah, it can work, but far from ideal.
I think people need to get a grip here. There's a reason why Juve are willing to swap Lukaku with Dybala. The reason being that Dybala hasn't fitted into their system. Unlike Henry who grew impatient at Juve almost immediately and wanted out, Dybala was patient and he was given time to settle down. Despite all that, he failed to cement a first team role and his best position has been a matter of debate for years. The same issues seem to crop with Argentina as well.
Dybala is closer to an Ole type of striker then Lukaku is. However he'll need a lot of micromanagement and a team built around him. In some ways Lukaku is far easier to manage then Dybala is. You knew what Lukaku's best position is and what provides to the team. You don't have that with Dybala.
Dybala is closer to an Ole type of striker then Lukaku is. However he'll need a lot of micromanagement and a team built around him. In some ways Lukaku is far easier to manage then Dybala is. You knew what Lukaku's best position is and what provides to the team. You don't have that with Dybala.
@devilish Dybala is great technically but has zero pace so his contribution to Juve is very limited and works pretty much only in one position. In Juve's current formation Dybala makes zero sense and it's obvious why he's getting replaced. I don't know why Juve think Lukaku would be a good idea but I guess we'll find out.
RVP is one of the PL greats. If not for his horrible injury run during his Arsenal career who knows where he'd have been ranked amongst the pantheon greats?
Juve used him very well until Ronaldo. The new playing style has to have a centre forward that "leads the line" for Ronaldo to bounce on and create space. Dybala is more of a 10/ false 9. This also clashes with Messis play for Argentina.
I've a couple of friends AC Milan fans and they are delighted Dybala might leave Juve
Isn’t that just it though? We’ve had absolutely no direction or obvious style of play that building around someone as talented as Dybala is exactly what we should be doing.
The fact that he is willing to come and play for us is a clear sign that he wants to come in and prove himself as the main man, something he hasn’t had with Juventus, not in the last year anyway. The boy is a serious player.
The deal if happens increasingly seems like Ed's plan. Just like Di Maria and Sánchez.
Not that I would feel unhappy. I am just being cautious with this type of signings.
Not that I would feel unhappy. I am just being cautious with this type of signings.
Dybala has “fitted” their system perfectly fine up until last season. Ronaldo’s arrival meant a lot of change in how they play to best suit him and thus the team. Turns out it meant Dybala would be relied upon less from seasons past in order for the team to transition into its new playing style. This past season was a write off as far as I’m concerned with Dybala. The previous 3 seasons with Juvé prior to this past season, he has 52 goals in 98 appearances league wise as well as 21 assists. That’s 73 direct goal contributions in 98 appearances and for someone that’s supposedly not a fit, that’s better than most strikers numbers. Argentina is discombobulated so that’s nothing to use as a measuring stick. But when it comes to club, he’s been a force for them and the scoresheet doesn’t lie.
Lukaku is easier to manage because he’s a straight line player who just goes from point A to point B. He’s pretty effective at banging the ball into the back of the net but that’s about it. He lacks all kinds of technical ability, can’t be relied upon in any build up play, is lazy in terms of work rate, and thus sits up top for the team around him to get the ball to him. Sure that makes him “easier to manage” because he’s not dynamic and can only do 1 thing really. You can’t ask much else from him...Dybala on the hand is far more dynamic and creative and can be trusted for all kinds of link up play. I wouldn’t necessarily say he’s harder to manage just because he’s a #10. It’s not his fault after all that his particular primary position is slowly fading away in modern football and why managers might have a tough time utilizing him due to them not playing with a #10 in their formation. That’s on the specific team/manager.
So yea, I kind of agree and disagree with certain points. Lukaku being a plug-and-play, pointA-to-pointB CF who doesn’t offer much is just a very simplistic footballer. I don’t think that’s a fair assessment to use against Dybala in a negative way. 2 completely different players on the opposite ends of the spectrum from the ground up.
Jesus Christ, a swap deal is actually happening and we're actually getting Dybala. It's like sending an old product to a shop and getting a new one.
It is astonishing to think that this might actually happen 
Most people aren't even thinking straight if it would be a good deal for us.
If the deal goes through, it would be used as the Holy Grail of swap deals for years to come.
Most people aren't even thinking straight if it would be a good deal for us.If the deal goes through, it would be used as the Holy Grail of swap deals for years to come.
After three minutes of extensive scouting by watching him dribble to utterly shite music on a youtube video, he doesn't shit himself when in possession and looks to have that Scholes ability to pick a pass like it's the most natural thing in the world.
So Juventus is Amazon?
Don’t you think that Juve bought Ronaldo for a reason? Also isn't it odd how a brilliant but still 34 year old forward could fend off the competition from the second coming of the Christ so easily?Juve used him very well until Ronaldo. The new playing style has to have a centre forward that "leads the line" for Ronaldo to bounce on and create space. Dybala is more of a 10/ false 9. This also clashes with Messis play for Argentina.
I've a couple of friends AC Milan fans and they are delighted Dybala might leave Juve
I am not suggesting that Dybala is shit. I actually want him as long as the fee is right. All I am saying is that expectations shouldn't be too high either. Also let's play him correctly. He is no winger.
Regarding Milan these days they are like the skint who digs in people's rubbish to find something that is still useful. They would probably be over the moon if they get bailly
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So dybala as a false 9 with Martial and Rashford as split strikersJuve used him very well until Ronaldo. The new playing style has to have a centre forward that "leads the line" for Ronaldo to bounce on and create space. Dybala is more of a 10/ false 9. This also clashes with Messis play for Argentina.
I've a couple of friends AC Milan fans and they are delighted Dybala might leave Juve
I would generally agree with this but I doubt it because Ole has a grip on things. His face sort of lit up when asked about Dybala today following the game and he did his best to hide it but you could tell.
He also said in an interview the other day that no players will be brought in that he doesn’t want. And it’s not like Dybala wouldn’t make sense for us; we need an advanced, creative CM and that’s exactly what he is. Also fits perfectly with Ole’s preferred 4231 formation so I don’t have any obvious doubts like when we got Alexis who took Martial’s spot for no reason when he was playing the best football of his United career. Dybala would replace Lingard and makes tons of sense for the manager+team & not just Ed.
Things got worse with Ronaldo but he always felt as a luxury signing at Juve. Similarly to Ronaldo one has to build a team around him. Unfortunately he is a notch or two below the likes of Griezmann let alone Ronaldo or Messi which makes you wonder if its worth the hassle
I am not suggesting that he is shit. I am quite happy to have him with us as long as the fee is right. All I am saying is let's not hype him too much + let's use him correctly. He is no winger
In all seriousness, I share the same feeling. We've been burned on way too many occasions
I think there are two elements here. First, Juve from what i understand is absolutely desperate to win the CL; the second, Ronaldo is still the best or second best attacking player in the World. What i see happening is that Juve are doing anything and everything to get the absolute best from Ronaldo and that means some players have to be played out of position or a game that does not suit them best. I can't really fault them for that TBH, but this is not a reflection on Dybala not being a very good player.
Also i agree that expectations should be realistic. IMO he would be a big upgrade on Lingard and Mata. That is very good i think and still only 25 with some room to grow.
Agree with your Milan comment
The point was though that Juves rivals (hysterically at least) rate Dybala very highly. Before Ronaldo and the change in tactics he was very, very good.Yep. Dropping deep and combining with Pogba like in their Juve days plus the pace of Rashford and MartialSo dybala as a false 9 with Martial and Rashford as split strikers
Cant believe Juve are even contemplating this one, ok yes there are questions about whether Dybala would take to the Prem, fit into our system etc etc but he is far more suited to what we want to do than Lukaku is now. No doubt Lukaku will flourish in Italy and score plenty, win the league and maybe a CL as well but Juve are in a totally different position in their progress to us, I'm just prepared for that banter is all but Dybala could be potentially a massive injection of positivity the squad and whole club needs, dont want to over hype him as nothing is done yet and he isnt Messi but will get fans and players like Pogba motivated to stay and play and if we can add Maguire and Fernandez (big IF's still it seems granted) then we could be a much different proposition as a team, would be fun to watch even if it all goes wrong again.
Next few days going to be an interesting time for us....
Next few days going to be an interesting time for us....
Just woke up. Dreamt of reading on here that he agreed to join. A Ronano tweet appeared, here we go, complete agreement. The flightrackers were out...
He would be an upgrade to Lukaku,but didn't he miss all kind of chances when we played Juve at the CL?
I agree that he’s not a winger. However, that does not mean he can’t “start” there in a formation.
Going off his track record, he tends to drift there anyways. Hypothetically if we got Bruno+Dybala, it wouldn’t be the end of the world if let’s say he had to “start” on the RW. Doesn’t mean we are expecting him to play there as a literal RWer because Ole loves interchanging attacking players and it just so happens Dybala’s tendencies match up. Whoever the “RW” + CAM are would be criss-crossing anyways so I don’t really see anything to lose sleep over, especially considering it’s for Lukaku who’s not wanted here.
https://totalfootballanalysis.com/p...-analysis-bruno-fernandes-sporting-statistics
And this is assuming both Bruno+Dybala are acquired. You can see why they would easily coexist as both have tendencies that suit the other. Just reading the last bit up top, Raphinha does the same thing Dybala does with his tendencies...and if only Dybala is had and not Bruno, then it’s obvious he would “start” in the 10 spot even though it wouldn’t mean a whole lot as he’d still play the same way other than “starting off” in his more natural spot.Intelligence off the ball
There is of course a lot more to Bruno Fernandes’ game than just goals. In order to provide a tactical analysis of the player it is necessary to delve into his other less tangible skills. His technical ability is obvious but what makes the Portuguese international so difficult to defend against is his movement off the ball.
Despite mostly being used on the right-hand side of a three-man midfield, he appears to have been given licence to roam the pitch searching for opportunities where he can influence the game.
Fernandes is happy to come deep to collect the ball and influence the game from further back. Sporting often need this from their playmakerwhen playing against teams that sit deep in a compact unit, a common occurrence in a league with an evident gap in quality between the big three or four teams and the rest.
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Another area where Fernandes is particularly dangerous is on the flanks, from where he has whipped in 53 accurate crosses in the Primeira Liga this season. This is a total bettered by only three other players in the Portuguese top flight, all of whom incidentally play in wide positions for their respective teams.
In the image above Fernandes spots the space to the right of right-back Bruno Gaspar and so makes a curved run in behind, receiving the ball from Gaspar and managing to produce a dangerous cross into the box.
In the example above from the game against Santa Clara, Fernandes plays a pass to teammate Raphinha and immediately makes a run into the empty space to his right to provide a passing option out wide. This is a particularly common move owing to the fact that Raphinha, who plays in the wide right position, likes to cut inside onto his left foot and occupy the half-space, leaving the right wing free for the likes of Fernandes to exploit.
Cheers, and as you can see I’m fully invested on the hype train!
I thought the same about Mata, Herrera, Di Maria, Schweinsteiger, Pogba, Sanchez.
I hope it happens. Getting him is the difference between us finishing in top 4 or out of it.
Relying on Rashford as 9 and Martial as 11 to score the bulk of our goals will only win us 60 to 70 points. Adding Dybala as a 10 or occasionally as 9 will bring out the best in Rashford and Martial. We can finish 70 to 80 points with Dybala.
------------------De Gea-------------------
AWB--Smalling--Lindelof--Shaw
----------McTominay-Pogba----------
James--------Dybala-------Martial
-----------------Rashford------------------
-----------------Romero-------------------
Dalot--Bailly--Tuanzebe--Young
--------------Matic---Fred----------------
Lingard--------Mata-------Sanchez
---------------Greenwood--------------
Relying on Rashford as 9 and Martial as 11 to score the bulk of our goals will only win us 60 to 70 points. Adding Dybala as a 10 or occasionally as 9 will bring out the best in Rashford and Martial. We can finish 70 to 80 points with Dybala.
------------------De Gea-------------------
AWB--Smalling--Lindelof--Shaw
----------McTominay-Pogba----------
James--------Dybala-------Martial
-----------------Rashford------------------
-----------------Romero-------------------
Dalot--Bailly--Tuanzebe--Young
--------------Matic---Fred----------------
Lingard--------Mata-------Sanchez
---------------Greenwood--------------
If and that's a big IF the transfer goes through does nobody else think it's got disaster written all over it aka di Maria ? I'd rather we get Maguire and another striker in
Can't believe this might happen. Woodward just went from zero to hero.
Be careful with that.
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