No, there is no corolation between these two things, who are these more realistic targets, are they rated by the coaching staff and are they willing to move to United without CL or clear path to PL success?
Paulo Dybala
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So exactly where we got stuck according to the reports.
The one thing Spurs have in their favour is that they may not ask for control over image rights like we would.
Levy also may choose to pay the agent
Dybala is not going to happen, Spurs fans. We know exactly how you feel if that makes you feel better
I don't have a hard time accepting it really. We are where we are and Ole isn't a massive pull with question marks all over Pogba as our best player. It is definitely hard to convince some of the bigger names to join us. Also, Dybala as much as I like him wasn't really a priority for us. He would be a massive improvement, but if we are talking about the real issues it's at DM, RW, even a proper striker before. We should have targetted those areas and a bit lower profile of players who are just breaking through and have a massive potential imo. Sure, you could buy Dybala and then fix other areas, but objectively he wasn't a priority.
The only thing what's bothering me a bit was that report about him asking for massive wages as he will certainly sign for less if this is true. It could be the case, but I just don't buy it. That on top of wasting our time chasing him and neglecting clear weaknesses.
I think that the past 2 years we worked on a very limited budget. Maguire was simply out of reach last season. This season we spent most of the dosh on Maguire and AWB. We will now balance the books with Lukaku's sale. I don't expect any major signings made now, maybe Mandzukic from Juventus trash bin.
Did you even watch football this spring?
I am only going by Ornsteins report which is usually reliable.
Lucas doesn't play but is still better than Lingard and Mata.
Did you watch it in autumn and winter?
He is busy calling others 'prat' so obviously not.
Don't think so, Agresti/Romano/Pedulla all reported he wanted £18m annual salary before tax from us which was apparently too high. So we never agreed on wages at all according to media.
However, I believe Dybala was never interested in joining us in first instance.
Guarantee you they'll sign Lo Celso then pull out of Dybala.
This is Spurs, they couldn't afford a transfer window last season due to paying back the stadium, they won't suddenly go from that to over indulging.
This is Spurs, they couldn't afford a transfer window last season due to paying back the stadium, they won't suddenly go from that to over indulging.
Nope, we agreed wages. It was the third party image rights that was staggeringly high.
If Spurs getting him doesn't definitely prove Woodward and Judge's incompetence at negotiation is holding us back. Nothing ever will....
Just camping here for the meltdown.
How could they not? They'd have to have at least some (right of use) of his image rights in order for the deal to go through. Even then, getting a marketable player with the highest transfer fee in your history and not acquiring his image rights is madness.
If they pull this off, which I think is highly unlikely because it's stupidly difficult to resolve these matters in less than 12 hours, I really want to know how they structured the image rights parts.
Tielemans and Bruno Fernandes would have helped midfield quite alot. Meanwhile Zaha could have allowed Martial to move upfront while if we signed Brooks then we'll finally have a half decent right winger. United had better times but we can still attract players. The problem is money and incompetence.
I think the writing was pretty much on the wall when long term contracts were being handled out for the likes of Jones and Mata. This club had no intention to spend big.
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Yep. United better than Spurs.
Lo Celso and Sess are having medicals today, pretty sure we wouldn't have bothered with Dybala this far. Still dubious myself but there is weight in the story.
Happy to be proven wrong, could you point me to a source? Thanks.
Because from what I read the brief put out by Woodward pointed that his salary demands were too high in addition to agent fees and image rights.
Woodward is a total moron but how can we blame him here? Dybala had reservations about joining us, if a player isn't interested then what can Woodward do?
I find it hard to believe Spurs will stump up ~£265k a week which he's currently on at Juve, nevermind the salary which he wanted from us. If he does join it'll be a financial compromise in favor of a better footballing team at the moment. You can't pin that on Woodward/Judge.
Agreeing to deals after they've reached a stalemate because the other party puts you for an ultimatum is not exactly the sign of a good negotiator. At least, if that's what has happened. There are so many factors that come into play in negotations about contracts that we can't possibly know how good of a negotiator Woodward or other managers / GMs are.
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Might be wrong but seems Spurs doesnt care about that. So next question is why we, i am not an expert but guess would be money, so with us it would be corporate way of thinking, gain from it on commercial level, i could be totally wrong ofcc.
I think as most clubs do, they negotiate themselves into a good position to give them extra options.
You've been talking to Coutinho / Lo Celso / Dybala.
Maybe Levy is using Dybala talks as a positive PR move to make you seem heavyweight? It's a power play IMO.
No way will you break your wage structure that much, you'll have Alli/Kane kicking in Levy's door come Monday morning.
Will be an incredible signing for Spurs if they pull it off, Dybala just behind Kane will be hard to stop.
In 12 months we'll be wondering why the feck didn't we just pay his agents fee (just like Hazard)
In 12 months we'll be wondering why the feck didn't we just pay his agents fee (just like Hazard)
I think this could be true, also surely the commercial rights could be discussed after he had signed if Levy really wants them?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...lo-Dybalas-broke-15m-image-rights-demand.html
Many similar articles to that.
Let's be honest 350k isn't breaking the bank for us, we could manage that for a star player. I can see why we're reluctant to pay that plus all the extra fees that come with a transfer, especially if he wasn't exactly gleeming with joy.
Yeah image rights or something. Kind of glad Dybala’s going to Spurs. Just shows how fecking incompetent we are.
Did you want us to sign a player who didn't really want to be here?
No if he comes he will be on the same as Kane, with bonuses. Dele is no where close to Kanes wages. Also I think your missing how this signing would boost our players, playing along side Dybala and the other new signings.
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So assuming Spurs get him I guess the wages and image rights thing was pure bollocks, and he just didn't want to play for us under Ole in the Europa? Christ.
If Spurs sign this lad then they've officially become a more attractive club to play footie for that Utd and it's all cause of that damn stadium brewery. Dark times.
If Spurs sign this lad then they've officially become a more attractive club to play footie for that Utd and it's all cause of that damn stadium brewery. Dark times.
Who said he didn’t want to be here? It’s all speculation.
This make no sense, we were talking about Dybala and why the move didn't happen and you are now talking about 3 players who aren't particularly rated and would cost north of 200m combined. If you were talking about adding +200m of spending then yes money is an issue, United isn't the Bank of England.
Of course you aren’t wrong. Woodward views any major signing in that way. He’d happily watch us scrape fourth every year.
The club themselves briefed the press so it's hardly speculation.
First of all you equated 7.5m euros net a year to £300k a week which is wrong.
Secondly his wages are 7m euros net a year.
The tax rate in Italy is not 50% so you are making a mistake already is 43%
So if you do the maths correctly 7m euros a year is gross 12.25m euros a year which equates to 235 euros a week. Converting that to £s that comes to £216 a week
This also has not yet accounted for the tax free allowance etc, however this is is a lot closer to the approximation I did to £210K than your £300k which is way off
As are the reasons you're calling the club incompetent in that case
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