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Trying to garner support of china in UN quoting redundant UN resolutions when even china doesn't care for Poor agenda Driven UN resolutions on South china sea.:lol:
Subcontinent media in a nutshell. Someone mentions fake quotes, another person quotes them to comment on it. Now fake quotes magically become real and BBC is lying.
 

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Subcontinent media in a nutshell. Someone mentions fake quotes, another person quotes them to comment on it. Now fake quotes magically become real and BBC is lying.
Patrick is a special bakht, I would not waste your time responding seriously to him.

Just laugh at the level of bakhtness.
 

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Who the eff is BBC when their are 900 plus news agencies working in the valley and majority of it are reporting complete contrast of the pathetic agenda driven news BBC is reporting by paying freelance Kashmiri journalists and photographers like Aamir peerzada, zubair sofi trained with notorious aljazeera and ndtv for taking a delusional anti govt stand in all of their reporting..:lol:
I’m struggling to think what agenda BBC, Aljazeera would have against govt,but I’m pretty sure what agenda is behind BJP funded Republic TV, Zee News etc.

And less said of NDTV the better. Their owners are being constantly harassed because they’ve refused to become govt slaves by towing their line.


In a complete subversion of basic rights and in shameful continuance of the campaign to warn the media that nothing less than complete obeisance is acceptable, NDTV founders Radhika and Prannoy Roy were today prevented from leaving the country; they were scheduled to spend a week abroad and their return was booked for the 15th. They have been stopped on the basis of a fake and wholly unsubstantiated corruption case filed by the CBI about an ICICI loan that was taken by their company, RRPR, which was fully repaid with interest ahead of schedule. The case has been challenged by the NDTV founders and their company in the Delhi High Court where the matter has been pending for two years. Radhika and Prannoy Roy have been fully cooperating with the case and they have been travelling abroad regularly and returning to the country so to suggest they are a flight risk is ludicrous. The authorities did not inform the court, where the matter is sub judice, or the Roys, about today's action. It is, along with events like raids on media owners, a warning to the media to fall in line - or else.
 
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Patrick is a special bakht, I would not waste your time responding seriously to him.

Just laugh at the level of bakhtness.
I am not one of your delusional Khan market gang members..:lol: THe world no longer lives in 90's who think spreading fake news will help create a non existing fact an public opinion.
 
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And less said of NDTV the better. Their owners are being constantly harassed because they’ve refused to become govt slaves by towing their line.
More like growing out of business from their delusional completely out of touch from ground reality reporting resulting in tax frauds and investigation and now claiming vendetta because they can. If they are clean they will come out to be so.
 

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I am not one of your delusional Khan market gang members..:lol: THe world no longer lives in 90's who think spreading fake news will help create a non existing fact an public opinion.
Mate you can barely write a post without making grammar or spelling mistakes.
 

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Who the eff is BBC when their are 900 plus news agencies working in the valley and majority of it are reporting complete contrast of the pathetic agenda driven news BBC is reporting by paying freelance Kashmiri journalists and photographers like Aamir peerzada, zubair sofi trained with notorious aljazeera and ndtv for taking a delusional anti govt stand in all of their reporting..:lol:
The BBC, Reuters, NYT, WaPo etc all posted articles/supporting videos depicting large scale protests in Soura while Indian authorities claimed sporadic protests of 20 people or fewer. Who is telling the truth is easy to check by examining the footage. Looking at the pictures it's clear that the protests started at the Jenab Saeb Mosque in Soura, that the signs they were carrying mentioned the abrogation of 370 so must have been recent and that all told the protesters numbered far more than 20. Basically the Indian government either lied, or was somehow unaware this protest occurred - yet occur it did.
 

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Cue another potential Army vs Democracy tussle in Pakistan. Democracy in Pakistan is more unstable than a elephant on a three legged stool.

"Prepared to go to any extent" :rolleyes:
There's no army vs democracy tussle in Pakistan. There's only the army and the stooges they appoint.
 

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No one is debating whether the manner in which the bill was passed was right or wrong! All people are saying is that removing this article means that there is some chance of Kashmir flourishing economically and it getting some stability.
I dislike Modi a lot, but you have to see the pros of this decision as well. Kashmir wasn't going to develop unless one of the 2 countries actually takes them in and integrates them fully into their country. With us being more stable and more successful ( and don't even dare question it), it makes sense for us to take them in and develop the region.
 

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No one is debating whether the manner in which the bill was passed was right or wrong! All people are saying is that removing this article means that there is some chance of Kashmir flourishing economically and it getting some stability.
I dislike Modi a lot, but you have to see the pros of this decision as well. Kashmir wasn't going to develop unless one of the 2 countries actually takes them in and integrates them fully into their country. With us being more stable and more successful ( and don't even dare question it), it makes sense for us to take them in and develop the region.
China is more successful. They should get all disputed territories that they have a claim on. #logicKing.

There's no army vs democracy tussle in Pakistan. There's only the army and the stooges they appoint.
Are you still stuck in the 80's? This hasn't happened in like forever.
 

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China is more successful. They should get all disputed territories that they have a claim on. #logicKing.
Yeah, because China has a stake there?
Kashmir is much better under Indian administration than Pak Administration for the simple reason that the internal problems in Pak are way more than those under India, and Kashmir shouldn't be the state suffering because of these political issues.
 

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No one is debating whether the manner in which the bill was passed was right or wrong! All people are saying is that removing this article means that there is some chance of Kashmir flourishing economically and it getting some stability.
I dislike Modi a lot, but you have to see the pros of this decision as well. Kashmir wasn't going to develop unless one of the 2 countries actually takes them in and integrates them fully into their country. With us being more stable and more successful ( and don't even dare question it), it makes sense for us to take them in and develop the region.
How about you guys develop the rest of the country first before taking in people who don't want to be developed by force?

24.3% of the population earned less than US$1 (PPP, around US$0.25 in nominal terms) a day in 2005, down from 42.1% in 1981.[10][11] 41.6% of its population (540 million people approx.) is living below the new international poverty line of $1.25 (PPP) per day, down from 59.8% in 1981.[10] The World Bank further estimates that a third of the global poor now reside in India.
oh and a large section of India is actually doing just that and defending Modi.
 

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Yeah, because China has a stake there?
Kashmir is much better under Indian administration than Pak Administration for the simple reason that the internal problems in Pak are way more than those under India, and Kashmir shouldn't be the state suffering because of these political issues.
:lol: You guys have imposed a two week curfew (not sure how long it will last) and a media blackout and are shooting at everyone protesting.

https://www.google.com/search?q=aza...m_7jAhUITBUIHUZEDLAQ_AUIESgB&biw=1280&bih=578

https://www.google.com/search?q=jam...m_7jAhWtShUIHeF3ADYQ_AUIEigC&biw=1280&bih=578

What mental hoops do you have to jump through to argue that the second place is much better off than the first one.
 

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All 370 did was preserve the status quo of violence all the way from partition. Removing it and integration with India offer genuine future for Kashmir in long term.
Ah Article 370 did that, not indians treating the kashmiris like animals. Weird how the removal of it hasn't brought us to a magical happy land.

What's the status in Azad Kashmir? Local puppet rule with candidates screened by Pak govt to ensure no differing voices get a say in local govt. Hmmm. Why does this accusation sound familiar?
:lol: Edgar please don't comment on things you have little to none knowledge about, stick to bakht forums.
 

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@Edgar Allan Pillow you're normally a reasonable person, what has Pakistan got to do with a unrest that India have cause by themselves (revoking the article)? Instead of deflection just address the situation for what it is.
 

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@Edgar Allan Pillow you're normally a reasonable person, what has Pakistan got to do with a unrest that India have cause by themselves (revoking the article)? Instead of deflection just address the situation for what it is.
Nothing. I'm just pointing out the irony of Pakistani's being the vocal ones when they probably are the least qualified to accuse anyone else is HR violations and religious intolerance.
 

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Nothing. I'm just pointing out the irony of Pakistani's being the vocal ones when they probably are the least qualified to accuse anyone else is HR violations and religious intolerance.
They're not accusations Edgar, plenty of evidence out there it's happening.

So if a non Pakistani pointed these issues out you would accept it?

It sounds a lot like defelection to me. I haven't seen many Indians talk about the issues on the ground or accept the evidence in front of them. All I've seen them do is attack the poster for being Pakistani even though most sources are non Pakistani. Some reposnses have been so petty bringing in the economy and education, its pathetic.
 
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Yeah, because China has a stake there?
Kashmir is much better under Indian administration than Pak Administration for the simple reason that the internal problems in Pak are way more than those under India, and Kashmir shouldn't be the state suffering because of these political issues.
China does have a dispute as well so yes they do but I'm not surprised you didnt know that.
 

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I’m struggling to think what agenda BBC, Aljazeera would have against govt, but I’m pretty sure what agenda is behind BJP funded Republic TV, Zee News etc.

And less said of NDTV the better. Their owners are being constantly harassed because they’ve refused to become govt slaves by towing their line.



The list is endless, I could go on and on. Bias broadcasting corrupt corporation as it is famously known on these matters.

No wonder they pay those out of jobs free lance Kashmiri photographers and column writers with ndtv and Al jazeera experience ( Aamir peerzada, Zubair sofi) and totally reverse the tone of the columns from actual reality on the ground. These are their sources, and one of these man is using a 2016 shot video from protests of killing of Militant commander burhan wani in the valley and potraying it as the recently shot one.

NY times source is also a freelance photographer and journalist with a ndtv background Atul Loke who owns a company in Mumbai and is not the source of these photographs and videos himself and is working on vested interests.

The reality of these vested interest groups sitting in those khan market gang and luteyns lobbies

https://rightlog.in/2019/08/abdul-basit-shobhaa-de-01/

Video clearly prooving on Pakistan's envoy behest Jounalist and columnist Shobha Dey writing a Anti India article.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/sho...e-influenced-her-2016-kashmir-article-2084193

And after being caught she still keeps denying it and Ndtv toeing her line on it. No wonder they are going out of business and in process enquiry is on the owners for tax frauds. The vested interest corrupt group claiming vendetta.
 
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The list is endless, I could go on and on. Bias broadcasting corrupt corporation as it is famously known on these matters.

No wonder they pay those out of jobs free lance Kashmiri photographers and column writers with ndtv and Al jazeera experience ( Aamir peerzada, Zubair sofi) and totally reverse the tone of the columns from actual reality on the ground. These are their sources, and one of these man is using a 2016 shot video from protests of killing of Militant commander burhan wani in the valley and potraying it as the recently shot one.

NY times source is also a freelance photographer and journalist with a ndtv background Atul Loke who owns a company in Mumbai and is not the source of these photographs and videos himself and is working on vested interests.

The reality of these vested interest groups sitting in those khan market gang and luteyns lobbies

https://rightlog.in/2019/08/abdul-basit-shobhaa-de-01/

Video clearly prooving on Pakistan's envoy behest Jounalist and columnist Shobha Dey writing a Anti India article.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/sho...e-influenced-her-2016-kashmir-article-2084193

And after being caught she still keeps denying it and Ndtv toeing her line on it. No wonder they are going out of business and in process enquiry is on the owners for tax frauds. The vested interest corrupt group claiming vendetta.
Once again let's assume that all you said is right. So why is there still a curfew and internet & phone still down. Surely if internet was freely available then it would be easier for the truth to come out which obviously as you suggest is that things are fine in Kashmir
 

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The list is endless, I could go on and on. Bias broadcasting corrupt corporation as it is famously known on these matters.

No wonder they pay those out of jobs free lance Kashmiri photographers and column writers with ndtv and Al jazeera experience ( Aamir peerzada, Zubair sofi) and totally reverse the tone of the columns from actual reality on the ground. These are their sources, and one of these man is using a 2016 shot video from protests of killing of Militant commander burhan wani in the valley and potraying it as the recently shot one.

NY times source is also a freelance photographer and journalist with a ndtv background Atul Loke who owns a company in Mumbai and is not the source of these photographs and videos himself and is working on vested interests.

etc.

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Literally none of that does anything to disprove the obvious existence of a protest in Srinagar that the Indian government lied about happening. Look at the videos, observe the mosque, the messages on the banners and the numbers in the crowd - the images speak for themselves no matter what outlet is showing them. All you need are eyes that see along with a brain capable of processing the images and subjecting them to rational thought.
 
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China does have a dispute as well so yes they do but I'm not surprised you didnt know that.
They claim a part of the region and control the NE part. That's about it.
They haven't staked a control for the entire state like India and Pak and no resolution will end up with Kashmir as Chinese territory!
 

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Has the curfew been removed and phone/internet services restored? I see a ton of Kashmiri folks voicing their opinion on how thier fellow Kashmiri brothers and sisters are feeling. I'd love to learn more.
 

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Has the curfew been removed and phone/internet services restored? I see a ton of Kashmiri folks voicing their opinion on how thier fellow Kashmiri brothers and sisters are feeling. I'd love to learn more.
Nope the curfew and media blackout are still going on.

You have police shooting at protesters now too but some indians here are too blinded by patriotism to see the human right violations.
 

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Nope the curfew and media blackout are still going on.
That's bad. It's been what a whole week now with the curfew/sec 144? I wish GoI does something to bring things back to normal.


You have police shooting at protesters now too but some indians here are too blinded by patriotism to see the human right violations.
So given that the media blackout and curfew is ongoing, how are you getting information on the shootings? Are you currently living in Kashmir or are you relying on the news media (which is under blackout?) I'm genuinely confused :confused: