The conditions of the accession was that if the population ever wanted to leave they would be allowed too. The article 370 was agreed as part of the accession as well. Instead hindus started killing muslims to change the demographics at which time the tribesmen attacked.
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It's definitely an idea from a couple Pakistani poster
https://ru.reuters.com/article/indiaTopNews/idUKKCN0WC2WR
https://time.com/5617161/india-religious-hate-crimes-modi/
Those are just two examples btw, you can find many many other examples.
fecking hell, one more thread with so many moronic posts. Must be a new record.
Trust me I am trying my best to avoid him and will continue doing so. I am even surprised how he is even allowed to post here.
Just got reminded of that fiasco. Brutal deforestation.Is your whole contribution to the discussion just hurling insults at others?
In Kashmir, India has rigged elections, its army has used AFSPA as a tool to torture and harass kashmiris.
The Pakistani deep state (army and intelligence) has directly orchestrated terrorist activities for decades, with no care for the kashmiri people. The agenda has always been to cause instability and take revenge for the war in 1971 i.e. liberation of east pakistan (now bangaldesh).
Kashmiri muslims have suffered a lot under AFSPA and no human should be subjected to living under the conditions they find themselves in. However, their hands are not entirely clean either as some kashmiri muslims are responsible for ethnic cleansing, treating kashmiri hindus as representatives of the indian state , raping and killing them, while many others were silent bystanders leading to displacement of more than 300,000 kashmiri hindus.
My two cents -
1. Indians must not turn a blind eye to the suffering of kashmiri muslims otherwise the cycle of violence will continue. Show them support instead of making them feel ostracized.
2. Indians must be vigilant that the tools our government is using to subjugate kashmiris could erode the fabric of democracy in our country and some day these tools might be used against us to bully and shut down dissent.
3. The fact of the matter is that the Indian state looks at Kashmir as a piece of land thats strategically and militarily so important that it can never afford to lose it. Therefore, there is absolutely 0 chance of India ever giving kashmir independence. Kashmiris must accept this. They would be wise to stop protesting and negotiate with the indian state such that normal life resumes, AFSPA is removed, the state is developed, jobs are created and kashmiri hindus return to the state. This of course will take a long time but this is a start.
The Pakistani deep state (army and intelligence) has directly orchestrated terrorist activities for decades, with no care for the kashmiri people. The agenda has always been to cause instability and take revenge for the war in 1971 i.e. liberation of east pakistan (now bangaldesh).
Kashmiri muslims have suffered a lot under AFSPA and no human should be subjected to living under the conditions they find themselves in. However, their hands are not entirely clean either as some kashmiri muslims are responsible for ethnic cleansing, treating kashmiri hindus as representatives of the indian state , raping and killing them, while many others were silent bystanders leading to displacement of more than 300,000 kashmiri hindus.
My two cents -
1. Indians must not turn a blind eye to the suffering of kashmiri muslims otherwise the cycle of violence will continue. Show them support instead of making them feel ostracized.
2. Indians must be vigilant that the tools our government is using to subjugate kashmiris could erode the fabric of democracy in our country and some day these tools might be used against us to bully and shut down dissent.
3. The fact of the matter is that the Indian state looks at Kashmir as a piece of land thats strategically and militarily so important that it can never afford to lose it. Therefore, there is absolutely 0 chance of India ever giving kashmir independence. Kashmiris must accept this. They would be wise to stop protesting and negotiate with the indian state such that normal life resumes, AFSPA is removed, the state is developed, jobs are created and kashmiri hindus return to the state. This of course will take a long time but this is a start.
No, the economic development is a future expectation. The links to Hitler/Nazism are exaggerated misrepresentations of current reality.
Well, the Indian army has been there for a long time. Nothing has changed except in numbers. I expect the numbers to come down to pre-change conditions soon. But yeah, it'd take many years to even envisage a military free zone.
They choose their own govt, their is referendum on their own govt in Indian union.
This is why pakis are kicked out of every forum on Kashmir when they harp on the same redundant resolutions which No Pakistani has ever read in the first place
.Pakistan has to demilitarise POK and I dia has to take over whole of the region. These steps were sequential and bounding.
So don't come out on your crap arguments spreading cancer in the thread again and again.
At least I didn't make dumb conclusion that a nation is racist based on few dumb posts.
Not saying all Indians hate Muslims but there's clearly an anti Muslim sentiment ongoing there, it's in the news constantly. You should also read @Ekkie Thump last post in this thread which has some interesting quotes/statistics regarding this topic.
Just because some celebs happen to be Muslims doesn't mean there isn't any issue, it's like saying because Americans love LeBron and Denzel there isn't any prejudice against black people in America. Its nonsense.
Hindu thinking Hindusim is superior is racist
@Damien @Raoul @golden_blunder can you guys thread ban roonster from this thread? He has no idea about the issue as shown by his second post and is just taking the thread off topic again and again, by engaging in personal attacks.
There's a supposedly investor summit there at 12-14th October now. Ambani has promised investment in that area. I hope it gets economic prosperity. The potential is huge
I agree with most of this but the neighboring country also believes the same. As a result there can never really be peace and stability when the two are tussling over it and it goes back to my point: a referendum or mediation of some sort. World powers should get involved and finalize a border no matter what the result
Modi suspended kashmirs assembly so no, they do not have their own government.They choose their own govt, their is referendum on their own govt in Indian union.
This is why pakis are kicked out of every forum on Kashmir when they harp on the same redundant resolutions which No Pakistani has ever read in the first place
Pakistan has to demilitarise POK and I dia has to take over whole of the region. These steps were sequential and bounding.
So don't come out on your crap arguments spreading cancer in the thread again and again.
If Pakistan stops needling the Kashmiris, I'd welcome a referendum. You forget that Kashmir was peaceful till 1990 till Pakistan started pushing the jihadis freed from Afghanistan in. The insurgency is 30 years old not 70 years old. Dismantle the terrorist camps, rehabilitate to the Kashmiri pandits that were ethnically cleansed and you'll find people a lot more amenable to the concept of a referendum. In fact if Pakistan hadn't repeatedly violated the provisions of the UN resolutions then we'd already have had a referendum there.
Yes I base my opinion on posts on the caf
, and I called the indian nation racist too, talk about exaggerating to fit your agenda. Bravo on another insult btw, I'm glad the mod never say anything about that.
Another clueless post. In fact you shot yourself in the foot here because everyone knows ZAB was behind some of the insurgents in the 60's.
Also, there was a war in '48 that determined the current borders. I'll repeat -- open a history book and read regular news sources.
Personal attacks? Go ahead point them out. Saying "point is stupid" is not personal attack.
So calling post is dumb is insult/personal insult, but calling lot of Indians are racist is a point well made.Yes I base my opinion on posts on the caf
Bravo on another insult btw, I'm glad the mod never say anything about that.
Suggest you to come informed. UT has legislature.There are no racists in India, it's the country with the least racism ever.So calling post is dumb is insult/personal insult, but calling lot of Indians are racist is a point well made.
Since there’s no legislative assembly in Jammu and Kashmir, the Modi government and Minister of Home Affairs Amit Shah cleverly used Article 367 to make the argument that any changes to the status of the state could be considered legitmate under presidential decree.
The legislative assembly was suspended by modi and every political leader of kashmir has been put under arrest.
You can't just draw boundaries like that without sever impact. That integration will never happen as long as countries have a dispute and for that reason there needs to be a world level intervention.
referendum is no longer possible. But the only logical conclusion to this is that India keeps their part and Pakistan theirs. This has almost happened a few times under manmohan singh and vajpaye before some terrorist attack happened in india and talks regarding this shut down.
Whatever it is, they should mark permanent boundaries even if it means keeping the current ones.
Yeah
I wish some Kashmiri was here to give us his thoughts.
fecking Ultra-Nationalist from both sides have ruined this thread.
fecking Ultra-Nationalist from both sides have ruined this thread.
This is another mystifying thing for me.
Modi and Shah are not fools that they decided to cut off all communication on a whim. If people support the amendment, they should take the basic next step to support the very necessary security steps that came with it.
"I'm in favour of the PM praising Mahmud of Ghazni from inside Somnath temple, but I don't like that there was a curfew imposed when he did it."
I'm a kashmiri hindu. But i havent lived in kashmir as my family was displaced. I dont think i can represent what the common kashmiri feels. But i do know that most kashmiri hinuds are celebrating this like its the best thing ever. Im going to wait and watch.
Are you disputing that the 1990 wave of Kashmir insurgency was precipitated by the newly freed mujahideen from Afghanistan which the ISI pushed into India? You continue living in your own little fantasy land, where India is the big bad wolf and Pakistan are the innocent lambs. Most Indians have agreed that the current govts actions were heavy handed, and hope that the restrictions on the press and politicians are removed asap. But I haven't seen even a little bit of admission from the Pakistanis about their role in this mess. Masood Azhar and Hafiz Saeed are still inside Pakistan, did they magically land there? Or do you think they're innocent and charges against them are baseless.
Are you interested in their opinion then?
Holier than thou!
Family is from rajouri but I guess my opinion doesn't count as it goes against the bakht agenda.
You really need help reading don't you
You suggested insurgency started from 1990 and I was the one who told you it started during the 60's. So if anything, my narrative was the complete opposite of what you just said. I'm not making a point of the "guilty" party here. My point is that you are completely clueless on this issue and subcontinent politics in genera. After all, you think the Military has elected the PM in Pakistan right now
Pakistanis on this thread do realise that most Indians on caf did not vote for Modi/BJP this election, right? Hell, most of the Indians here actually dislike him. The only reason he won was because of shite opposition and propaganda carried out on social media
The one on Scottish independence was (I believe) widely acclaimed and developed a false confidence in the British government that it would be useful tool in other areas.
They won't be able to post here with the internet blackout.
I mean you have people here 1) buying that exact propaganda about kashmir and 2) when I say indians I am obviously not referring just to the ones on the cafe.