Agree with this, but I would also like to see Rashford made the 1st choice penalty taker. Pogba's record really isn't great
Penalty taker - Ole needs to pick his men
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This. Don't understand why Pogba took it. Rashford did well against Chelsea.
Rashford needs to be more assertive in taking penalties similar to him taking most free kicks. If Rashford spoke to Pogba and allowed him to take it knowing Pogba can take them per Ole, as it seems like they did, then okay.
Pogba struck the ball well, but his placement wasn't the best and the goalie guessed the correct way. People are making such a big deal out of it because they want to blame someone on the draw, plain and simple.
Pogba has the right to talk to Rashford and ask to take it. After all, his link up play and run into the box and dribble won the penalty. Rashford allowed Pogba after the chat to take the pen and it was mutual agreement. Ole cannot babysit all year long ffs.
The free kick Rashford took before the peno was abysmal and I would have questioned his mentality taking the penalty as well.
Pogba struck the ball well, but his placement wasn't the best and the goalie guessed the correct way. People are making such a big deal out of it because they want to blame someone on the draw, plain and simple.
Pogba has the right to talk to Rashford and ask to take it. After all, his link up play and run into the box and dribble won the penalty. Rashford allowed Pogba after the chat to take the pen and it was mutual agreement. Ole cannot babysit all year long ffs.
The free kick Rashford took before the peno was abysmal and I would have questioned his mentality taking the penalty as well.
I agree a top 3 should be picked but I don't get why it should be rotated just for missing one. We wouldn't do that for goalkeepers when they concede or strikers if they don't score. They should only be dropped down the rankings if the manager decides imo.
Why is the thread poll not including the option to not be fussed by whether Pogba/Rashford takes the pen?
Considering that's what they have agreed upon and it wasn't a problem last week.
I want to vote for that option.
Considering that's what they have agreed upon and it wasn't a problem last week.
I want to vote for that option.
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Rashford until he misses then OGS himself
Rashford has only taken two pens, but two very good pens, where the goalkeeper more or less no chance. Obviously he will need to take a lot more before he gets branded a fantastic penalty taker, but from what he's shown, he should currently take them.
Talk about being results orientated. No-one said boo when Rashford stated after the match last week that the player who wins the penalty is free to take it.
After-all, this system led to Rashford taking and scoring a pk last week that he otherwise wouldn't have taken considering that Pogba is our main pk taker going by last season.
Also are we really going to question Pogba's credentials to take a pen for us? Rashford has a tiny sample size of 2 converted pens, no matter how good they were, how is that accurate to gauge that he is more qualified to take one than Pogba?
All this talk about Ole needs to be more assertive too... It's all crazy really.
After-all, this system led to Rashford taking and scoring a pk last week that he otherwise wouldn't have taken considering that Pogba is our main pk taker going by last season.
Also are we really going to question Pogba's credentials to take a pen for us? Rashford has a tiny sample size of 2 converted pens, no matter how good they were, how is that accurate to gauge that he is more qualified to take one than Pogba?
All this talk about Ole needs to be more assertive too... It's all crazy really.
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The issue isn’t really Pogba or Rashford. The issue this highlighted is that Ole couldn’t or wouldn’t make a decision before the season started. It just begs the question where else are decisions being skirted around and at what cost. Even if he had designated Pogba the taker, fine. It was a decision done and dusted. Instead we have a debate before every spot kick which doesn’t aid in the actual task of scoring the penalty.
Exactly. Ole's response in post-match saying "whoever feels more confident should take it, we don't have a set taker" is absolutely idiotic. Gary Neville is right about this. Many games, especially critical ones are decided on penalties. Having such chaos on penalty taking is absolutely unacceptable.
And what does that say about the maturity of a coach when he can't get this basic thing right? This is messed up. I can't believe Mike Phelan isn't having a talk with Ole about this. He at least should know better. What a mess.
Why didn't Rashford take it yesterday after hitting a superb one last week? Bloody weird letting Pogba take it given he has a poor track record.
Rashford has scored 2/2 and looked very good on both occasions. Martial I think has a good record from the spot too. On the other hand, Pogba doesn't ever instill confidence in this regard. Knew he was going to miss. Can anyone post their respective track records for United?Rashford has literally only taken 2 pens so far yet people acting like Pogba taking it over him was the biggest mistake ever made by mankind
If Pogba even looks like he wants to take another penalty Ole should sub him on the spot.
Rashford should take them.
Rashford himself should be taken off freekicks because he is gash with them.
Rashford should take them.
Rashford himself should be taken off freekicks because he is gash with them.
Honestly I'm sure if he'd not won it himself he'd have been nowhere near it, but I sadly have no confidence in him, it was a terrible penalty. Rashford needs to give him some lessons.
Whilst Pogba's future is still up in the air he should be nowhere near penalties, end of
You would have put money on him missing last night, love Ole to bits but weak Management.
You would have put money on him missing last night, love Ole to bits but weak Management.
players miss penalty. Move on.
Why? What weird logic is that? His performance was not that of a player looking to leave at all.
Once the designated PK taker asks someone else to take it the psychology of the situation changes dramatically. First, the usual taker is showing weakness and puts the other player on the spot. Secondly, the player asked was not thinking about being the taker until that moment. That's not fair to that player. Some can adjust really quick and it's not big deal. Others, though, the pressure can get to them.
Rashford was wrong and I hope OSG explains this to him.
Rashford was wrong and I hope OSG explains this to him.
Rashford isn't the designated penalty taker though, is he? Why creative a narrative. We don't have one, it's split between a few players.
Unless Rashford is really bad at it, I don't see any reason not to give it to him. We do not have a specialist, so I would give it to our striker.
I don't believe we have two designated takers, that goes against what most teams have done for decades. I think OSG is just trying to diffuse the controversy and protect Pogba which a good manager should do. Behind the scenes, though, I would be shocked if he doesn't lay down the law from this point forward.
Huh, what does a player looking to leave performance look like?
Rashford should take our penalties and Pogba take our direct freekicks.
Rashford, Tony and Mata have a pretty good record between them. Rashford should take the next one and continue to do so provided he scores. If he misses it moves along. Reality is that Pogba is a terrible penalty taker.
I'm guessing Pogba, Pogba's brother, his mom and his agent all have profiles on the Caf because other than them, I can't imagine why 1 person, never mind 4 people on the Caf would vote for Pogba as our penalty taker. He is horrible at them. In fact, I am a better penalty taker than Pogba. If the keeper guesses right, he saves it. Pogba hits it at a height that is very easy for the keeper to save if he guesses right. A good penalty is either alonst the ground or in the top corner. It is NOT 3-4 feet off the ground and that's where Pogba hits it most of the time. He should never take another penalty ever again. That's 4 misses including last year. Absolutely brutal...
We have 2, Pogba and Rashford. Ole and Rashford both said it. I think Rashford said it after Chelsea game.
Rashford also said it after Chelsea game.
Thing is though when you just start taking pens, you start from a clean slte and have all the options in the world to do whatever you want but once you've taken a few options become fewer.
I'm sure after 2 pens taken Pogba looked quite good.
But I agree Pogba should be taken off pen duty. He had his chance and now his record has become dodgy. It wouldn't make sense to leave him as the designated taker.
Not just the pen taker, we must have designated free kick, corner takers. Rashford should be kept as far away as possible from long free kicks. What's the point of having Maguire, Lindelof, McT, Pogba if you don't take corners seriously and have Shaw, Rashford, Mata, Lindelof taking useless FKs and corners.
So - Last night we played as well as i think we had played in years.Particularly in the first half. Our caress of the ball when in possession and desire to win it back when we lost it was a real Joy to watch..... Next thing Pogba takes a pen after Rashford scored last week. OH NO. Sky sensationalize the issue beyond all belief. I was so disappointed in Neville and his comments after the game last night. The type of comments that will spread a negative vibe and cause yet another negative thread. He is supposed to be a die hard red.
Absolutely no harm in sharing the responsibility of pens as long as all parties are capable of scoring. Its not like they were arguing over the ball last night. The way Neville and his Cronies went on about it last night you'd have thought Pogba pulled a round house out on Rashford.
Absolutely no harm in sharing the responsibility of pens as long as all parties are capable of scoring. Its not like they were arguing over the ball last night. The way Neville and his Cronies went on about it last night you'd have thought Pogba pulled a round house out on Rashford.
It's not about Pogba pressuring Rashford or not. It's about Rashford being more than ready to take that penalty after he scored a perfect one last round, but Pogba decided to take it because his ego was too big to not score after 2 matches. To make matter worse, he missed. These 2 points dropped might very well kick us out of top 4 by the end of this season.
You've got to wonder whether we'd have joint penalty takers if it was Rashford who'd missed four penalties, not Pogba.
None of us knows how or why this has been decided but it does seem like an attempt to appease Pogba. Guess we have to do that though - after all he is our best player and the king of the dressing room.
None of us knows how or why this has been decided but it does seem like an attempt to appease Pogba. Guess we have to do that though - after all he is our best player and the king of the dressing room.
Exactly. They both are designated penalty takers and decided on the spot who takes it.
I don't have a problem with us having more than one designated taker. It's a positive as it makes it difficult for the keepers to prepare. I just don't think Pogba should even be in the top 5. I can't understand those saying it's not a big deal, when he's missed 4 out of 11. That is not the record you want for a designated penalty taker. It's woeful. It's a big deal when it costs us points.
Rashfords sample size is small, but until he proves otherwise, he's currently our best and most confident penalty taker.
Rashford so far has taken them in a way which gives the keeper no chance. Pogba is putting them exactly where a keeper would want it. For a player who has so much ability at striking the ball, his penalties are awful.
Rashfords sample size is small, but until he proves otherwise, he's currently our best and most confident penalty taker.
Rashford so far has taken them in a way which gives the keeper no chance. Pogba is putting them exactly where a keeper would want it. For a player who has so much ability at striking the ball, his penalties are awful.
What happens when it can’t be decided on the spot? You get one of those ridiculous tug of war situations. Yes Rashford happily let him take it tonight but that won’t always be the case. That’s where a manager needs to be assertive and have a designated taker.
Are corners decided on the spot too?
The issue isn’t even with Pogba for missing, it happens.
Why not? It's not like we have Balotelli playing for us. Till date I haven't seen our players fighting for a free kick or a penalty and I don't have any reason to believe they will in the future.
Rashford happily let him take the penalty just like how Pogba happily let him take one against Chelsea.
We have designated taker, instead of 1 we have 2. Ideally we should have 1 and that should be Rashford but this micro analysis is silly.
Pogba shouldn't be in the position to happily let Rashford take a pen or take a pen himself, that's my main gripe. He should be taking FKs but not pens.
The overreaction is a norm these days
That's different argument and I agree with that. Rashford should be our first choice penalty taker and after him it should be Martial.