Paul Pogba racially abused on social media

[roonster09]

They have. He has been accused of being racist. Will he now receive a torrent of criticism for it? However unjustified?

We are all responsible in a way

On caf? I'm yet to see any post saying Neville have problems with black players or he criticized Pogba just because of his skin color.

 

[WireMUFC]

What has any of this got to do with Neville, some scum bag racially abused Pogba because Gary had a go? Some of you say far worse about Young, Lingard, Jones and Smalling on here I don’t think it would make any normal person go and racially abuse them.

It’s happening to every black player now. Racist trolls want attention if they tweet something racist they make national news. It should be dealt with by twitter, the club and the police privately to prevent copy cats because it’s happening every game now.

 

[lysglimt]

What Neville said was stupid - but he criticized a players decisioning...nothing he said was in anyway an explanation for racist attacks. You could say he was out of line with his criticism - but ha didn't in any way have anything to do with the racist attacks.

 

[RedPed]

Would you feel safe with Twitter having your ID though? Hackers and what not

It's no different to signing up to a betting site, online bankng, for your TV License or your utility bills etc., etc. People are just asking for that same level of ID verification on Twitter. Hackers are gonna hack.

 

[Inigo Montoya]

On caf? I'm yet to see any post saying Neville have problems with black players or he criticized Pogba just because of his skin color.

You can't possibly see all the posts on here. They go on for 24/7 but some have accused Neville of racism

 

[mancan92]

Has to be said, did Northcroft even watch the match?? Pogba was pretty terrible again yesterday. Did well to win the pen but he gave the ball away time and again in dangerous positions.

No he didn't he gave it away twice in the first half. Apart from that he was playing it simple most of the time and 3 times setup dangerous attacks. He was good yesterday and if not for the penalty miss would have been motm.

 

[Jimmy_Bond]

Is it? All I have seen is Neville being hypocrite when it comes to English players, nothing on black players.

Yep, he's been accused of being racist and going after Pogba due to the colour of his skin.

 

[psychdelicblues]

Can i expect lots of posts about how racist Utd fans are, or are they reserved for when some Chelsea twats do it?

Yeah this is definitely the thread to bring up this topic

Troll.

Well done for trying to point score on the subject of racism.

This is an odd hill to die on

Welbs our residence chelsea fan is a 'race realist'

Spoiler

There's US students race base studies which show that Black students who come from famlies with an income of 120,000 dollars a year still do worse than White students who came from families on 60,000 a year. There's overwhelming stats/evidence which point to black people on average have a lower IQ than White or Asian people. The races with highest average IQ is not Europeans, its actually the people's from Sout East asia. To be honeest i dont think this kind of thing should be such a taboo subject. Only far right Neo Nazis would try and make a big deal out of it.

 

[roonster09]

You can't possibly see all the posts on here. They go on for 24/7 but some have accused Neville of racism

This thread has just 330 posts. Are you talking about different thread?

 

[TheReligion]

Welbs our residence chelsea fan is a 'race realist'

Is that a polite term for idiot?

 

[roonster09]

Yep, he's been accused of being racist and going after Pogba due to the colour of his skin.

Shocking if that's the case. People take it too far.

 

[Vault Dweller]

@Vault Dweller @kouroux Can you edit your response

Went to edit it but I think it has already been deleted.

 

[Inigo Montoya]

This thread has just 330 posts. Are you talking about different thread?

We're talking about the football forum as a whole and over time, not just this thread

 

[arthurka]

People saying Gary Neville's comments doesn't help. This should not matter.

It is disgusting behavior by these "fans". No doubt if/when Pogba leaves they will be slating him for leaving at the same time pushing him out with their comments.

My thought exactly.

 

[OL29]

Plenty of people have accused Neville of only going after either foreign or black players in threads all over this site. It's ludicrous and despicable.

Not seen anyone accuse him of only going after black players, can you point these out? I and others have accused him of xenophobia or bias towards British players, that’s not the same as racism. You may find that despicable but it’s not baseless.

 

[theREDMAN]

There are so many moronic United fans on Twitter. I don't consider most of the 'MagicMartial etc.' accounts, who spam the clubs official account and abuse players they don't like, to be United fans. They are just idiotic kids hiding behind a computer screen.

I don't think it is just kids mate. The anonymity of the internet brings out the trolls and the sickos. Anyone can have a penalty saved, it happens. The problem is that one of our strikers should be the designated taker, this is not the local U11 side where whoever wins it takes it.

We do need to back Pogba as long as he is a player in our team. We can criticize performances, but racism is uncalled for.

 

[WireMUFC]

Gary is such a racist he thought one black player (Pogba) taking it off another black player (Rashford) was wrong. Have a word with yourselves. Stop giving the scum bag troll excuses, it’s Neville’s fault, it’s trump, it’s Brexit, some of the excuses I’ve seen on twitter as well. Hold the person accountable and stop blaming other people. Gary should be allowed to criticise black players without the fear of someone attacking them based on their skin colour.

 

[Decomposing In Paris]

Part of me can't help but wonder if it's not just Riola... but this is disgusting, and hopefully some kind of justice can be done.
On a side note: Ed, this is a good opportunity for a "United Against Racism" PR campaign.

 

[The_Order]

There's a really interesting thing that happens in discussions, I think, where people become exasperated at each other because they are talking at crossed purposes.

When I talk about racism what I mean is the myriad factors that mean that the entire society I live in is based on white supremacist principles. It's the small decisions, organisational and institutional norms; the traditions, practices and principles that bake inequality into almost every facet of social, cultural and political life. In this sense I really mean structural racism - the kind of racism that everyone can (and often will) contribute to without necessarily holding any explicit prejudice in their beliefs. The kind of racism you can contribute to by simply not recognising it exists (and, if you're white, that you benefit from it at the expense of others).

When other people talk about racism they have a much more reductionist view of it. They define it simply as "hating someone because of the colour of their skin" or "acting in a way that is consciously discriminatory due to someone's race." Now, ignoring the argument over which definition is preferable or "right" (because it's the one I use. Everything I think is right. Always). This means that when two people with those two understandings of the word speak to each other they can end up becoming very quickly exasperated with each other because they can't understand where the other one is starting.

Take this thread. There are those that will see Gary Neville's comments as being based in the structural racism that demands different expectations from players of colour, or players from overseas, or players from a religious minority, and want to discuss that issue and unpack the norms that create that situation. Others will read that as an accusation that Neville holds some malicious feeling towards minorities. Crossed wires. Inevitable disagreement.

A good example of this is to ask the question "Is it possible for a white person to experience racism in the UK today?" To me, the answer is obviously no. A white person cannot experience the reality of existing within a society where they are consistently and systematically disadvantaged by their race. They might experience similar discrimination due to class, gender, sexuality, age etc. (intersectionality is complex, y'all!) but the specific experience of structural racism is owned and defined by racial minority groups that suffer due to it. Other people would think of an example where a white person might be discriminated against or even attacked because of their race in the UK and would claim that of course this means that person has experienced racism. They would find my assertion that it's impossible for a white person to experience racism to be basically bizarre and ludicrous. We'd talk at crossed purposes and both end up thinking the other one super weird.

Anyway. Just a thought.

Incredible post,

The numpties will miss the nuance and the point because it breaks the delusion of the world they live in.

Just an incredible post.

 

[TsuWave]

This will never stop unfortunately, as long as different skin complexions exist people will always use it to attack others; even if they aren't necessarily true racists.

 

[Neil_Buchanan]

When did one persons comment, no matter how repulsive, become such a big deal.

Is today any different than yesterday?

It's very unfortunate that there is a small percentage of people who will choose to say these things. It's fairly obvious that no amount of beaurocracy or censorship will ever eradicate this.

 

[Jimmy_Bond]

Not seen anyone accuse him of only going after black players, can you point these out? I and others have accused him of xenophobia or bias towards British players, that’s not the same as racism. You may find that despicable but it’s not baseless.

It is completely baseless and pathetic. Read through the Gary Neville threads for posts accusing him of racism. I personally can't be bothered scrolling through hundreds of posts to find the specific ones, but as others in this thread have already confirmed, they do exist.

 

[FootyGirl88]

This will never stop unfortunately, as long as different skin complexions exist people will always use it to attack others; even if they aren't necessarily true racists. Real shame!!

What are you talking about??

 

[Ikon]

Yep, he's been accused of being racist and going after Pogba due to the colour of his skin.

Neville unquestionably has personal issues with Pogba, but I don't think that's based on skin colour.
I don't know if it's even a conscious thing but Neville clearly behaves differently with the British players, how many times has he screamed "treachery" when Jones has scored yet another own goal, or Lingard has posted yet another woeful performance..?

He never seems to be "fuming" about the British players.

.

 

[Ødegaard]

When did one persons comment, no matter how repulsive, become such a big deal.

Is today any different than yesterday?

It's very unfortunate that there is a small percentage of people who will choose to say these things. It's fairly obvious that no amount of beaurocracy or censorship will ever eradicate this.

It has always been a big problem.

 

[SalfordRed18]

Part of me can't help but wonder if it's not just Riola... but this is disgusting, and hopefully some kind of justice can be done.
On a side note: Ed, this is a good opportunity for a "United Against Racism" PR campaign.

What's it have to do with Riola and I'd like to think tackling racism is more important because it's a genuine issue rather than good PR.

 

[Bruno Marques]

"Is it possible for a white person to experience racism in the UK today?" To me, the answer is obviously no.

thats a joke or something? Tell that to the Portuguese and the Polish living in the UK.

http://www.theportugalnews.com/news/portuguese-in-uk-complain-of-post-brexit-abuse/38703

https://algarvedailynews.com/news/1...r-pelted-with-eggs-in-racist-attack-in-london

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...dinburgh-gang-scotland-hospital-a8460086.html

Racism will always exist everywhere and targeting everyone because stupid people dont belong only to one race. You will find racism in asia, europe, africa and the rest of the world. You will find racism targeting every skin colour and every religion.

 

[DoomSlayer]

I believe the social media accounts used to abuse Pogba in a racist way are fake and don't even belong to United fans.

This is another way to destabilise our club, create more tension in the fanbase and make it even more divisive when it comes to our current players and former legends.

 

[Florida Man]

Maybe Neville is harder on Pogba because he knows how great he can become.

 

[Vidyoyo]

Fact of the matter is, this is third incident this week involving racism on social media. It quite clearly goes beyond Gary fecking Neville.

True. I think I was letting my dislike of Neville - well, more skeptism - get the better of me.

 

[Decomposing In Paris]

What's it have to do with Riola and I'd like to think tackling racism is more important because it's a genuine issue rather than good PR.

I should have known better than to write something other than racism is bad (which is absolutely is). If this had happened after the European transfer window had closed, thought would never have crossed my mind. I was speculating, not attempting to portray it as truth.

 

[Jimmy_Bond]

I believe the social media accounts used to abuse Pogba in a racist way are fake and don't even belong to United fans.

This is another way to destabilise our club, create more tension in the fanbase and make it even more decisive when it comes to our current players and former legends.

You're probably right. It would be very suspect if it's an account with just our badge or a picture of one of our players as the profile image.

 

[ash_86]

I had to get away from my whatapp group yesterday because of some of my friends who are so vile with their words that they blindly write out words that should never be said. I'm ashamed that we live and raise our children in such a world.

 

[AFC NimbleThumb]

Can't believe some of the absolute nonsense I am reading in this thread

Gary neville is now somehow partly responsible for the racist abuse directed at Paul because he did his job as a pundit and criticised him on TV?

Granted he did go a bit OTT in the beginning due to him not understanding the facts that were later cleared up then he expressed how he doesn't agree with Ole on how he picked his penalty takers.

I swear people try their hardest to create their own agendas on here for whatever reason I have no idea.

What I do know is that the idea that Neville or any other pundit is somehow responsible for Pogba or any other player receiving racist abuse if they so happened to be criticised on TV for their performance is absolutely ludicrous. These people are nothing but a bunch of racist troll c*nts and should be held responsible as such. The pundits are doing their jobs ffs.

I swear this place can be utterly horrendous at times.

Spoken like a true man of privilege.

Thank god I joined this forum, makes it so much easier to disconnect from the club in its current state when I have such a low op

 

[AFC NimbleThumb]

There's a really interesting thing that happens in discussions, I think, where people become exasperated at each other because they are talking at crossed purposes.

When I talk about racism what I mean is the myriad factors that mean that the entire society I live in is based on white supremacist principles. It's the small decisions, organisational and institutional norms; the traditions, practices and principles that bake inequality into almost every facet of social, cultural and political life. In this sense I really mean structural racism - the kind of racism that everyone can (and often will) contribute to without necessarily holding any explicit prejudice in their beliefs. The kind of racism you can contribute to by simply not recognising it exists (and, if you're white, that you benefit from it at the expense of others).

When other people talk about racism they have a much more reductionist view of it. They define it simply as "hating someone because of the colour of their skin" or "acting in a way that is consciously discriminatory due to someone's race." Now, ignoring the argument over which definition is preferable or "right" (because it's the one I use. Everything I think is right. Always). This means that when two people with those two understandings of the word speak to each other they can end up becoming very quickly exasperated with each other because they can't understand where the other one is starting.

Take this thread. There are those that will see Gary Neville's comments as being based in the structural racism that demands different expectations from players of colour, or players from overseas, or players from a religious minority, and want to discuss that issue and unpack the norms that create that situation. Others will read that as an accusation that Neville holds some malicious feeling towards minorities. Crossed wires. Inevitable disagreement.

A good example of this is to ask the question "Is it possible for a white person to experience racism in the UK today?" To me, the answer is obviously no. A white person cannot experience the reality of existing within a society where they are consistently and systematically disadvantaged by their race. They might experience similar discrimination due to class, gender, sexuality, age etc. (intersectionality is complex, y'all!) but the specific experience of structural racism is owned and defined by racial minority groups that suffer due to it. Other people would think of an example where a white person might be discriminated against or even attacked because of their race in the UK and would claim that of course this means that person has experienced racism. They would find my assertion that it's impossible for a white person to experience racism to be basically bizarre and ludicrous. We'd talk at crossed purposes and both end up thinking the other one super weird.

Anyway. Just a thought.

This post will go unnoticed by most.

So many people read the word racism & automatically correlate that to mean the person in question is racist.

Things are so black & white on here.

 

[Inigo Montoya]

Spoken like a true man of privilege.

Thank god I joined this forum, makes it so much easier to disconnect from the club in its current state when I have such a low op

What on earth are you on about?

 

[Bruno Marques]

Spoken like a true man of privilege.

Hurr Durr CheCK YoUr PriVIleGe!!

 

[Bruno Marques]

Things are so black & white on here.

That was Racist

 

[Andersons Dietician]

Such extreme behaviour is unfortunately expected when a legend accuse him of treachery for missing a penalty on live TV.

Except that didn’t happen.

 

[P-Ro]

Exactly, the man is so toxic.

Interesting that you seem to be shirking the blame onto Neville. Also interesting that you shared a tweet from Maguire blaming this on trolls. But when the same thing happened to Tammy last week it was obviously those scummy racist Chelsea fans behind it:

The first thing these goons resort to

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