Paul Pogba racially abused on social media

[Sassy Colin]

Don't know if any of you have seen Phil Neville's response?

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...r-social-media-boycott-to-combat-racist-abuse

I am not saying if a social media boycott is any sort of answer, but it makes a difference to his brother stoking the fires with his live rant on national TV.

 

[Amarsdd]

people excusing these fecking racist cnuts by now blaming Gary? feck me!

 

[Redo91]

Has to be said, did Northcroft even watch the match?? Pogba was pretty terrible again yesterday. Did well to win the pen but he gave the ball away time and again in dangerous positions.

I’ll ask you the same question?! He didn’t have a brilliant game (nobody did) but he was far from terrible. McTominay and Lingard were far, far worse!

 

[Rasendori]

@Vault Dweller @kouroux Can you edit your response

 

[kouroux]

@Vault Dweller @kouroux Can you edit your response

Done,

 

[Enigma_87]

I am not saying if a social media boycott is any sort of answer, but it makes a difference to his brother stoking the fires with his live rant on national TV.

Why is Neville dragged to this conversation? Neville having a go at Pogba has nothing to do with random bloke going mental on social media.

Besides it has been mentioned that many of those don't even support United.

 

[Greck]

This is so embarrassing for the fanbase. That holier than thou attitude we used to have was really just because we were winning

 

[Sultan]

I just wonder what Pogba is going through at this moment having to deal with racism and a rant from a former United player accusing him of a lot more than simply missing a penalty. Criticise what's going on the pitch by all means, but to go beyond this was way over the top. This is not the first time Neville has been shooting his mouth off.

He is by no means an ordinary guy discussing a player or a match in the pub. Some sanity and composure when he speaks would not be beyond his intellect.

 

[Inigo Montoya]

This is so embarrassing for the fanbase. That holier than thou attitude we used to have was really just because we were winning

I don't believe we've ever had a 'holier than thou,' attitude.Fans of all clubs come from all walks of life,religions and races.

With the burgeoning social media platforms, the racists and bigots together with the socially inept have found a voice. It used to be just internet forums and public areas but now they feel it can be done with impunity and anonymity

 

[adexkola]

I am assuming Neville or some other pundit criticized Abraham last week to stoke racial abuse against him as well?

Exactly.

 

[SadlerMUFC]

Yes Neville is an idiot, he called Pogba selfish and he said he was furious with Pogba, and spouting nonsense about something's not right between Pogba and Rashford. It's just a missed penalty, everybody misses once in a while. Any other player missed the pen and I guarantee he wouldn't have said any of those bullshit. The guy clearly has an agenda, he's not even criticizing the penalty direction or power, but just go straight personal with Pogba.

That's a very basic way to look at it. Nobody is taking the piss at Pogba "just because of a missed penalty". They are taking the piss at him because it was a penalty that he shouldn't be taking in the first place. He has a horrible track record at taking them (4 missed in the past 12 months) and because Rashford just took one last week and scored and should have taken this one too. In the end, it cost us 2 points. I just hope that come May we aren't looking back at this with regret...

 

[Inigo Montoya]

I just wonder what Pogba is going through at this moment having to deal with racism and a rant from a former United player accusing him of a lot more than simply missing a penalty. Criticise what's going on the pitch by all means, but to go beyond this was way over the top. This is not the first time Neville has been shooting his mouth off.

He is by no means an ordinary guy discussing a player or a match in the pub. Some sanity and composure when he speaks would not be beyond his intellect.

He's had to deal with Neville's and others' criticism for a long while now.

I don't doubt for a minute that the racist comments wouldn't have happened anyway despite what Neville said.

 

[Sultan]

Don't know if any of you have seen Phil Neville's response?

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...r-social-media-boycott-to-combat-racist-abuse

I am not saying if a social media boycott is any sort of answer, but it makes a difference to his brother stoking the fires with his live rant on national TV.

Unfortunately, football benefits to boycott social media.

 

[Rolaholic]

Exactly.

He's British though,top lads in the media like Gary have always had a huge blindspot when it comes to criticizing any domestic players

The folks ignoring how venom constantly aimed at someone on TV could possibly influence some people's opinions are being intentionally obtuse,no one is claiming Neville is purely to blame. He's still a factor/contributor to this whole mess

 

[SadlerMUFC]

And my god people...are you seriously blaming Neville? Give your head a shake. Neville didn't tell people to make racist comments. Idiots did that all on their own. Neville criticized Pogba and rightfully so. And it's not like he's the only pundit calling Pogba out. Pundits all over the world are doing the same thing and they are right...

 

[Fridge chutney]

I just wonder what Pogba is going through at this moment having to deal with racism and a rant from a former United player accusing him of a lot more than simply missing a penalty. Criticise what's going on the pitch by all means, but to go beyond this was way over the top. This is not the first time Neville has been shooting his mouth off.

He is by no means an ordinary guy discussing a player or a match in the pub. Some sanity and composure when he speaks would not be beyond his intellect.

Ole needs to have a word with Neville. Neville's behaviour is not helping team morale and is a poor reflection on him at best, and at worst feeds the bullshit media narrative and racist trolls on social media and beyond.

 

[fergiesarmy1]

This is so embarrassing for the fanbase. That holier than thou attitude we used to have was really just because we were winning

I don’t think you can tar millions of fans with the same brush because of some idiots on social media, it’s more a sign of the times sadly.

 

[roonster09]

I just wonder what Pogba is going through at this moment having to deal with racism and a rant from a former United player accusing him of a lot more than simply missing a penalty. Criticise what's going on the pitch by all means, but to go beyond this was way over the top. This is not the first time Neville has been shooting his mouth off.

He is by no means an ordinary guy discussing a player or a match in the pub. Some sanity and composure when he speaks would not be beyond his intellect.

Neville makes few good points from time to time but when he loses his composure, he is like hysterical caf poster but with bigger stage and audience. He has some opinion on Pogba and takes it too far.

If Pogba was designated penalty taker and Rashford took it from him and missed, there is no way Neville would have said anything.

 

[SteveJ]

He is by no means an ordinary guy discussing a player or a match in the pub. Some sanity and composure when he speaks would not be beyond his intellect.

Gary should ideally be aware of society's heightened racial tensions, and accordingly temper his criticism of black players and others; I mean, in particular, the vehemence with which he sometimes expresses his opinions.

To complement and aid this potential new atmosphere of reasonability and thoughtfulness, Paul Pogba should change... absolutely nothing about himself, and live his life his own way; why the hell should he conform and alter?

 

[Inigo Montoya]

Neville is entirely complicit. We only have to recall his pathetic response when Raheem came to him about the abuse he was receiving. Neville is a coward who clearly has an agenda against Pogba. He could do more to curb the online abuse players receive. They spent 40mins discussing a missed penalty and tried to get Ole/Rashford to stitch Pogba up. When has a missed penalty got 40 mins of coverage. People see Neville's anger and OTT aggression towards Pogba and that only fuels the anger. His words matter. Not saying it is entirely on him. Because people are racist and Twitter is an ugly place but the coverage on Sky last night and Neville's tone doesn't help. It just makes it worse.

He should be more aware of how he speaks. Especially after the spineless way he dealt with Sterling. He clearly has learnt nothing. He always has an agenda and bias towards English players. He sounds more and more like Souness the more you hear him speak.

So he's selective about which person of colour he feels sympathy towards based on his nationality? ...riiightio?

So stupid it's laughable

 

[devilish]

Certainly doesn't help.

It'sa amusing/sad/ strange how disliked Pogba is by the English media and how easy they go on so many other players.

I thought racism in football only happened in Italy?

In my opinion there's two different POV here.

First there's the one sustained by the likes of Gary Neville. According to these line of thought, there's two type of players ie the grafters and the top talented ones who drive players to success. The former can only be covered by British and Irish players as 'they understand and bleed' for the club. Foreign talent are tolerated and maybe loved if they do the latter job well. That explains why Gaz was pissed off big time with Pogba while completely ignoring Lingard's missed sitter. In Gaz books, Pogba should be dragging the grafters to success like Cantona or Ronaldo would do. The tragic thing is that this mythical version of Cantona simply never existed. Sure he was a top player, who was more influential then Pogba is. However he also played with the top players like Ince, Keane, Kanchelskis and Giggs who provided him with the ideal platform to shine. Pogba is playing with Jesse, Rashy, Matic, Mctominay and co some of whom are decent players but hardly WC. Would Cantona still be as effective in the present team? I very much doubt it.

That is certainly not racism. At best its ignorance and at worst its border nationalism. However, Gaz needs to understand the situation United are in and the power Sky is giving him. United fans are still mourning Sir Alex and the glory times. Most fans have to endure the insults and humiliation of not even being 4th best and having legends like him, putting a massive target on Pogba's back isn't just stupid in football terms (top players can fail to score from penalty spots as well. Baggio would shit on the entire class of 92 bar maybe Scholes and he missed the most important penalty of all) but it also gives the wrong message that Pogba is the enemy and that anything is fair game to get him out. Which is kind of wrong both in terms of moral conduct but also on football terms. Our club is struggling to attract players and simply can't afford losing the few WC players left.

 

[Inigo Montoya]

Neville makes few good points from time to time but when he loses his composure, he is like hysterical caf poster but with bigger stage and audience. He has some opinion on Pogba and takes it too far.

If Pogba was designated penalty taker and Rashford took it from him and missed, there is no way Neville would have said anything.

Rashford had every right to take it. He's scored in 2 higher profile games and one as recently as last week. He would have earned the right to take it and if the keeper saves it then we could discuss that point. You have no idea what Neville or any pundit would have said.

They engage in false narratives. It's done for ratings and to create discussion. Carragher and Neville have that agenda. People want to buy into it are free to do so.Fans taking it seriously are a bit silly..

 

[Jimmy_Bond]

Frightening some of the nonsense in this thread.

Why is neville so successful as a pundit? Because he speaks from the heart, sometimes irrationally and instinctively, and when it comes to United it's clear he has a lot of passion and love. This sometimes leads to him making rash statements, as we all do, but he's on camera when he does it.

Now people want to criticise him and make out he should be more robotic, which is the exact kind of punditry that we hate.

GARY NEVILLE IS 0% TO BLAME FOR ANYBODY BEING RACIST OR FOR PAUL POGBA RECEIVING RACIST ABUSE ON TWITTER.

If he does have any dislike towards Pogba it's probably due to his fairly poor performances over the last three years combined with bad attitude and the way his agent's behaviour with constant public declarations against managers and the club itself. I suspect he has rather a lot of inside knowledge regarding the way Pogba has been and behaved at the club during the last three years. To suggest he is racist is absolutely ridiculous, and frankly libellous. Just a reactionary comment from people who have their own personal agendas.

 

[roonster09]

Rashford had every right to take it. He's scored in 2 higher profile games and one as recently as last week. He would have earned the right to take it and if the keeper saves it then we could discuss that point. You have no idea what Neville or any pundit would have said.

They engage in false narratives. It's done for ratings and to create discussion. Carragher and Neville have that agenda. People want to buy into it are free to do so.Fans taking it seriously are a bit silly..

Neville having agenda against Pogba is not to fit the narrative, he has some serious issues.

Also its not about Rashford having right to take it, it's about being consistent in their criticism. It's nothing new from Neville, how can anyone forget his nonsense analysis on De Gea and keeping his mouth shut when talked about Joe Hart.

 

[Inigo Montoya]

Neville having agenda against Pogba is not to fit the narrative, he has some serious issues.

Also its not about Rashford having right to take it, it's about being consistent in their criticism. It's nothing new from Neville, how can anyone forget his nonsense analysis on De Gea and keeping his mouth shut when talked about Joe Hart.

So his saying later that he feels Pogba could be player of the season was what? ........

Backtracking? Or is he just conflicted?

 

[roonster09]

So his saying later that he feels Pogba could be player of the season was what? ........

Backtracking? Or is he just conflicted?

Saying Pogba could be the player of the season means all the nonsense he spouted about Pogba as if Pogba murdered someone doesn't count?

You can dislike someone and have childish agenda, still predict they can be player of the season.

 

[The Brown Bull]

Morons.

 

[sammsky1]

Disgusting.

Sure he will push for a move in December,

We will end the season with Fred Pereira Mc Tominay and we ll be happy for sure.

Fans nowadays are such idiots

As if he’ll receive any better from Spanish or Madrid hating trolls?!

I doubt these are United fans and simply just racist trolls. If they are united fans it’s hardly surprising there won’t be any racist idiots in our ranks. It’s not as though racism is a new phenomenon in British or European football.

This is a nothing clickbait social media piece of news.

 

[OL29]

Frightening some of the nonsense in this thread.

Why is neville so successful as a pundit? Because he speaks from the heart, sometimes irrationally and instinctively, and when it comes to United it's clear he has a lot of passion and love. This sometimes leads to him making rash statements, as we all do, but he's on camera when he does it.

Now people want to criticise him and make out he should be more robotic, which is the exact kind of punditry that we hate.

GARY NEVILLE IS 0% TO BLAME FOR ANYBODY BEING RACIST OR FOR PAUL POGBA RECEIVING RACIST ABUSE ON TWITTER.

If he does have any dislike towards Pogba it's probably due to his fairly poor performances over the last three years combined with bad attitude and the way his agent's behaviour with constant public declarations against managers and the club itself. I suspect he has rather a lot of inside knowledge regarding the way Pogba has been and behaved at the club during the last three years. To suggest he is racist is absolutely ridiculous, and frankly libellous. Just a reactionary comment from people who have their own personal agendas.

Ffs have you actually read the thread, people aren’t accusing him of being racist, they’re accusing him of contributing to an atmosphere where racists feel liberated to attack Pogba. Neville’s personal attacks, throwing around words such as treachery, have added to the growing target on Pogba’s back, similar to the target that was placed in Raheem Sterling’s back resulting in the abuse he received last season, a situation that Neville himself acknowledged was aggravated by the witch-hunt in the media. Neville isn’t stupid, he knows that his words hold weight, all people are saying is that he should exercise use more caution when discussing Pogba and hold back on the personal attacks. Shouldn’t be too much to ask.

 

[OL29]

As if he’ll receive any better from Spanish or Madrid hating trolls?!

I doubt these are United fans and simply just racist trolls. If they are united fans it’s hardly surprising there won’t be any racist idiots in our ranks. It’s not as though racism is a new phenomenon in British or European football.

This is a nothing clickbait social media piece of news.

What does any of that have to do with condemning the abuse he received??

Clickbait social media news? What are you even talking about? This blatant trivialisation of racist abuse is insulting, some of our fans make me sick.

 

[Inigo Montoya]

Saying Pogba could be the player of the season means all the nonsense he spouted about Pogba as if Pogba murdered someone doesn't count?

You can dislike someone and have childish agenda, still predict they can be player of the season.

I doubt if you can. If you dislike someone in the way you suggest( your take by the way) you don't put them up for POY

 

[Rasendori]

In some cases even that doesn't fix anything. People may be using VPNs or they may have dynamic IP addresses (so resetting their router generates a new IP).

Truly think the only way to stop this from happening is if social media accounts were tied to your ID, then people won't feel like they can get away with vile behaviour. I just can't see that ever happening though.

Would you feel safe with Twitter having your ID though? Hackers and what not

 

[WensleyMU]

Awful, some people are just worthless.

How though, is this Neville's fault? He criticised Pogba but Rashford, who he seemed should have taken the penalty, is also black...

 

[Inigo Montoya]

Awful, some people are just worthless.

How though, is this Neville's fault? He criticised Pogba but Rashford, who he seemed should have taken the penalty, is also black...

It's Neville's fault because some posters are looking to blame him for enabling it. Crazy!

It's a societal problem and Twitter don't do enough because they can't be arsed but let's blame a TV pundit

 

[Jimmy_Bond]

Ffs have you actually read the thread, people aren’t accusing him of being racist, they’re accusing him of contributing to an atmosphere where racists feel liberated to attack Pogba. Neville’s personal attacks, throwing around words such as treachery, have added to the growing target on Pogba’s back, similar to the target that was placed in Raheem Sterling’s back resulting in the abuse he received last season, a situation that Neville himself acknowledged was aggravated by the witch-hunt in the media. Neville isn’t stupid, he knows that his words hold weight, all people are saying is that he should exercise use more caution when discussing Pogba and hold back on the personal attacks. Shouldn’t be too much to ask.

Plenty of people have accused Neville of only going after either foreign or black players in threads all over this site. It's ludicrous and despicable.

 

[roonster09]

Plenty of people have accused Neville of only going after either foreign or black players in threads all over this site. It's ludicrous and despicable.

Is it? All I have seen is Neville being hypocrite when it comes to English players, nothing on black players.

 

[Skubah]

Can't believe some of the absolute nonsense I am reading in this thread

Gary neville is now somehow partly responsible for the racist abuse directed at Paul because he did his job as a pundit and criticised him on TV?

Granted he did go a bit OTT in the beginning due to him not understanding the facts that were later cleared up then he expressed how he doesn't agree with Ole on how he picked his penalty takers.

I swear people try their hardest to create their own agendas on here for whatever reason I have no idea.

What I do know is that the idea that Neville or any other pundit is somehow responsible for Pogba or any other player receiving racist abuse if they so happened to be criticised on TV for their performance is absolutely ludicrous. These people are nothing but a bunch of racist troll c*nts and should be held responsible as such. The pundits are doing their jobs ffs.

I swear this place can be utterly horrendous at times.

 

[Inigo Montoya]

Is it? All I have seen is Neville being hypocrite when it comes to English players, nothing on black players.

They have. He has been accused of being racist. Will he now receive a torrent of criticism for it? However unjustified?

We are all responsible in a way

 

[D. Mungai]

Ffs have you actually read the thread, people aren’t accusing him of being racist, they’re accusing him of contributing to an atmosphere where racists feel liberated to attack Pogba. Neville’s personal attacks, throwing around words such as treachery, have added to the growing target on Pogba’s back, similar to the target that was placed in Raheem Sterling’s back resulting in the abuse he received last season, a situation that Neville himself acknowledged was aggravated by the witch-hunt in the media. Neville isn’t stupid, he knows that his words hold weight, all people are saying is that he should exercise use more caution when discussing Pogba and hold back on the personal attacks. Shouldn’t be too much to ask.

As Correct as it is. Nobody works in isolation. If i decide to abuse Pogba now and am alone it will only be 1 abuse. Ask yourself why independent human beings from around the world all abused Pogba after that game? And he is not the only Black player who played yesterday, because there was a platform to do so which was contributed by 1. missing a penalty 2. Foolish/stupid People 3. Media Witch hunt 4. Twitter being a free space. What can be changed in all this? Maybe Pogba scoring a penalty, Media being cautious, twitter being aggressive in talking the vice because foolish and stupid people will be in this world.

 

[Gandalf Greyhame]

If Pogba were English and white, I wonder how he'd be received in social media and the football community.