We have got backups. Young and Perriera will come into the team.
I’d like better back ups. Unfortunately, we haven’t got them... because Mourinho’s signings in those positions weren’t good enough
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I’d like better back ups. Unfortunately, we haven’t got them... because Mourinho’s signings in those positions weren’t good enough
I think the path we are now on will ultimately be the best option. Instead of buying random players at great expense that match no logical pattern, we are now doing more diligance to get the right player in. players that are not here just for a big payday. All 3 this season have improved us no end. Ole and Woody have said its a 3 year rebuild and I think as long as Ole finishes no lower than 6th this season, then 4th next, he will be given time. in 3 years we could have something resembling a Utd side from the Fergie era.
Or I don't know we haven't bought any?
Woody said its a 3 year rebuild? I might have missed that.
He also said we'll get a DOF. I guess in 3 years time.
Yes. Because we can’t. Because our squad is filled with dross and wages that we can’t shift! That’s the whole point of this thread. We are not a club backed by endless money, we have spent 150 million this year and unfortunately from the last three years of our manager gained two first team players.
Lots of nice excuses for an incompetent board.
There were reports, there was even a thread about it, it still exists.
But the whole thread has been about....
Ya know what. Never mind. We aren’t going to agree on this. Let’s just both hope we win against Southampton on Saturday. I don’t think we’re gonna change each other’s mind and I certainly see where you’re coming from.
The top players won't stay with us during that time though. Can you see Pogba staying here to fight for 4th place? No top player will come as well without CL football making that rebuild really, really impossible.
Perreira is not a striker. Who is our striker option apart from Martial when he gets injured? What if Pogba gets injured?
Then you make new signings in the window just passed. You had all Summer to come up with three signings selling more senior players in the process. It doesn't cost a lot of money to identify and bring up a backup option.
I didn't leave out anyone, that was our official squad numbers photo. That squad had literally 1 top player in form of De Gea, no quality in center of the defence, a past it Carrick, Schweinsteiger in midfield, and a past it Rooney in attack. The only quality players with potential in future were Martial, and Rashford. Rest had to be rebuilt, which Mourinho did to his liking.
That squad wasn't on course to finish on 81 points last season, no. Because the culprit was Mourinho himself, he destroyed the morale and confidence of many players due to his annoyance at the board for a poor summer and got himself sacked. But that doesn't mean that squad suddenly became shit, quite far from it. Heck, when Ole went on his honeymoon run we had posters including you laying into Mourinho for being unable to extract same level of performances from the players as he was doing.
The only reason why this revisionism regarding squad is occurring is due to the fact than ex-legend in Ole is struggling with it. If a defensive manager like Allegri would've been appointed, half of this Caf including you would be hounding him out for being unable to produce the same results as Mourinho did with this squad.
Also, this is something I completely disagree with. Ole at the moment is pretty much trying to replicate Mourinho's style. We are a defensive team first who likes to soak pressure and play on the counter, we look equally clueless (if not more) when we're playing against a team which concedes possession. No new ideas, no new craft what to do with the ball and its evident in our goals we score. They are all a result of individual moments of quality, same as it was under Mourinho.
Where Ole has separated himself from Mourinho is with his words and appearance, he says all the right things but the football is pretty much the same minus the results.
That isn't really justification for the lack of players brought in though, is it? We're not in a position where we need to sell to buy.
We did well to shift Lukaku but aside from that, the only senior players that left the club this summer did so because their contracts expired. And in the case of Herrera, he would still walk into our first team.
It's not better but it's about equal. Both squads aren't good enough. Jones, Evans, Rojo, Smalling and Blind as CB's. Evans has been good post-us, difference with Lindelof pre-Ole not that big. Blind was fine for us and has been great for Ajax since. Midfield options aren't any worse than what Ole has right now bar Pogba. Attack is more balanced with actual wingers in Memphis and Januzaj (both have done well enough since leaving us)
Yeah mate, van Gaal sure left Mourinho with a belter of a squad. Look how much 'better' it is than the one Ole took over:
It misses out Martial as well.
Here's how I see it:
Moyes was shit. He's the one who put us on a downward trajectory
LVG was shit. Past it and a little bit crazy. His signings sucked and watching his teams was torture.
Mourinho was shit. In terms of results he was the best of them, but still shit. Had his 3rd season meltdown and left.
Ole, well the jury is still out. Most exciting football we've had in a while and he gets the club. I hope he can turn the results around.
The transfer cost and wage bill are not on the managers. They decide their targets and someone else takes care of it. Personally, I think all four managers weren't properly backed regarding transfers, but were held fully responsible for results.
Moyes was shit. He's the one who put us on a downward trajectory
LVG was shit. Past it and a little bit crazy. His signings sucked and watching his teams was torture.
Mourinho was shit. In terms of results he was the best of them, but still shit. Had his 3rd season meltdown and left.
Ole, well the jury is still out. Most exciting football we've had in a while and he gets the club. I hope he can turn the results around.
The transfer cost and wage bill are not on the managers. They decide their targets and someone else takes care of it. Personally, I think all four managers weren't properly backed regarding transfers, but were held fully responsible for results.
Not sure I’m keen on a manager double jobbing. Ole should cut back on his journalism and focus more on the club.
God, that squad was the low point of everything. So unexciting.
Yeah mate, van Gaal sure left Mourinho with a belter of a squad. Look how much 'better' it is than the one Ole took over:
Who knows, letting Herrera go is a part of that big rebuild process..
We had the whole summer to get rid of Lukaku and Sanchez and then we get rid of one near the end of the window and the other now when window is closed. Magnificent.
Forget last season.
Ole came in, great run but high on emotion and a bit of luck then squad knackered out and confidence shattered.
This season is where it starts. Ole has some signings and a bit of a breather in the summer for him and the players.
Signings look good, great on the break but lacking creativity when we dominate.
This will be worked on and hopefully improved. Rome wasn’t built in a day.
Worst case for me is that it doesn’t work out and next manager has a group of young hungry players to work with but hopefully with backing, patience and support from everyone including supporters Ole can turn us into title contenders again.
Think positive and you will live longer and have a better chance of seeing more trophies being won
Ole came in, great run but high on emotion and a bit of luck then squad knackered out and confidence shattered.
This season is where it starts. Ole has some signings and a bit of a breather in the summer for him and the players.
Signings look good, great on the break but lacking creativity when we dominate.
This will be worked on and hopefully improved. Rome wasn’t built in a day.
Worst case for me is that it doesn’t work out and next manager has a group of young hungry players to work with but hopefully with backing, patience and support from everyone including supporters Ole can turn us into title contenders again.
Think positive and you will live longer and have a better chance of seeing more trophies being won
We are in for a huge struggle to keep us up there in contention for top 4 spot until Christmas. Then I hope to God we bring in at least 2 players, a midfielder and a forward to help us push on. If we don't we can say goodbye to top 4 and Europa League, and Possibly Ole and his coaches.
Man Utd's senior squad is utterly bloated. There is a limit to the number of players you can have just sitting around doing nothing, they are catastrophic for the club's fire and direction and they ARE a massive cost burden. There has to be an enormous cutting out, signing more and more players is not the solution.
That said, Ole has had one window as manager and three players have come in who have either gone into the first-team and played well or looked in James' case like a good squad option. If he does that each window United will be brilliant in two years. Frankly, DDG can be replaced - Schmeichel and VDS made the defenders in front of them better players, De Gea doesn't do that, he's silent. Pogba, if he goes, there can be a rebuild much more in line with modern football in the midfield, because Pogba is a wonderful talent, but he needs to be let go if he wants to leave, and that money could do some real good in contributing to the dynamic team Ole wants.
In fairness I've only read the title and not the OP but of all our managers post SAF it's LVG that did the most damage to the club not Mourinho
Evans was shortly sold before the window ended so he wasn't at the club when Jose arrived. Also, why are you comparing the squad as of now? I'm comparing the squad as they were left by the manager at their time of sacking. I don't rate Lindelof very highly but he's still an improvement over set of CBs van Gaal left behind. A midfield of Schweinsteiger, Schneiderlin, Herrera, Carrick, is also much much worse than that of Pogba, Herrera, Fred, Matic etc. Pogba alone is a massive improvement over anyone in that squad. Same applies for attack too, Lukaku for all his faults was a significant upgrade on a completely finished Rooney and still the most reliable scorer in the squad.
We can compare the two squads but tell me if I am wrong when I say, folks wanted Mourinho gone because he was holding the team back, that these players were capable of so much more like Pep was doing at City? Either he was a genius to extract that much quality from a shit squad or these players aren't as shit as they are being portrayed at the moment. Truth is in the middle, but people don't want to admit it.
Yet, we have people saying Jose left behind a worse squad of players.
Mourinho won us a European trophy and finished second. And now the same people who think he made such a mess of the club also think Ole needs 16 transfer windows to replicate those results. Something doesn't add up here.
Ole will get time. I don't see the core of the fanbase turning on him and if things go really wrong I think most people, pundits and media included will look at Woodward and the owners.
That’s @Wumminator and his double standards in a nutshell. If Ole got us to 2nd place, or won a European trophy in the same timespan that Mourinho did, he’d be saying we should build a statue outside the ground. Whereas, at the time, he did nothing but snipe and grouse about how terrible our manager was.
Its all about balance. Say nothing and you're a puppet. Say too much or pin the blame on the current players as Mou did and expect a riot.Ole should publicly blame Ed and create a media controversy and a bad atmosphere around the club
Having said that there's nothing wrong for Ole to clearly state that he's starting the season without the necessary tools to work with. Fans will be more accommodating knowing that and the pressure will shift straight on the CEO's laps who will finally be forced to do his job.
I understand that Ole is trying to do the honourable thing here and protect the club. However there's a level of shit one can accept. Rest assured that these aholes won't think twice to throw him under the bridge if he doesn't achieve the expected results.
Pretty much, you only have to look back through his posts to see what a hypocrite he is slagging off the squad one minute and then mocking others for wanting another signing the next. As for this positive spin on LvG it's just laughable.
It's not the managers job to get rid of dross when the board approve a signing they do so with consideration of offloading if needed. When a player fails you move them on, if you don't then you get an inflated wage bill as we have now.
Under LvG the board did a good job of moving on the likes of Di Maria, Depay, Schneiderlin but they've failed in that regard lately. That's not something you can praise LvG for or criticise Jose with.
I'm all for positivity but this isn't positivity it's someone wanting to push their agenda as usual.
I don't think it was all negative with Jose. He just wanted a different type of player.
Jose also brought Mctominay into the team and Pogba was bought by him too. People tend to forget that.
Ole needs time to build a team. We can already see the effort put in by the players is very good. Regardless of the latest result. These lads are motivated and want to win. They run for 90 minutes and never gave up.
Alot of young lads in the team that will need time to mature and improve.
The board could have backed us with more players, but here is hoping that we will get in reinforcements as soon as January even.
We just need that bit of luck on the pitch that changes draws to wins. 3 penalties already won this season and only one of them scored! It at least proves we are doing something right in terms of being on the front foot and more aggressive.
Jose also brought Mctominay into the team and Pogba was bought by him too. People tend to forget that.
Ole needs time to build a team. We can already see the effort put in by the players is very good. Regardless of the latest result. These lads are motivated and want to win. They run for 90 minutes and never gave up.
Alot of young lads in the team that will need time to mature and improve.
The board could have backed us with more players, but here is hoping that we will get in reinforcements as soon as January even.
We just need that bit of luck on the pitch that changes draws to wins. 3 penalties already won this season and only one of them scored! It at least proves we are doing something right in terms of being on the front foot and more aggressive.
How do new contracts for Mata, Jones, Rojo fit with a big rebuild?
I am backing him for 2 years we are already playing better football with the same players so i am giving him two windows to sort the defense and midfield.
Whilst I like the positivity towards Ole, something quite doesnt add up with the other elements of the post or follow up posts.
To say Moyes wasnt here long enough to do damage is completely wrong. Hes the one that came in and broke down everything like a trojan horse. LVG spent shit loads of money and left us with players needing to be shifted out. Jose is just as bad (and could have been worse if he got his way on somethings. Heck we could have Boateng and Willian added to our team and Martial gone for all we know).
Theres a lot of fck up. The one constant throughout has been Ed Woodward. Hes not getting enough blame for the years of disaster and generally gets away with a lot, with the owners, players and managers seemingly getting more abuse compared to him.
Regardless, im glad we are shifting out players and looking towards a strategy. I think Ole has done the right thing in removing the likes of Smalling,Jones,Matic from the team.
I like that we have sold players who clearly didnt want to be with us anymore (heck for all the people talking about Lukaku and fellaini, remember the fuss about them missing the FA cup final so they could be fit for the World cup?)
To say Moyes wasnt here long enough to do damage is completely wrong. Hes the one that came in and broke down everything like a trojan horse. LVG spent shit loads of money and left us with players needing to be shifted out. Jose is just as bad (and could have been worse if he got his way on somethings. Heck we could have Boateng and Willian added to our team and Martial gone for all we know).
Theres a lot of fck up. The one constant throughout has been Ed Woodward. Hes not getting enough blame for the years of disaster and generally gets away with a lot, with the owners, players and managers seemingly getting more abuse compared to him.
Regardless, im glad we are shifting out players and looking towards a strategy. I think Ole has done the right thing in removing the likes of Smalling,Jones,Matic from the team.
I like that we have sold players who clearly didnt want to be with us anymore (heck for all the people talking about Lukaku and fellaini, remember the fuss about them missing the FA cup final so they could be fit for the World cup?)
For me all Ole has to do is get the team playing consistently entertaining and attacking football that gets the fans out of their seats week in, week out - if he does that he will find the results take care of themselves after a while. Remember Klopp's first season at Liverpool ended with him finishing sixth or something like that? I think all the fans want to see is some tangible progression on the pitch.
Appeasing a section of disgruntled Fans isn't his main priority and nor should it be.
The main concern of the manager is to ensure that the team is best placed to perform to the best of their ability and that includes not creating negative news stories or undermining the team by suggesting he thinks they aren't good enough.
Anyone can see he's not been back all the way by the club and should have had more reinforcements, especially in mid-field. I don't see how Ole making the statement you want him to helps the team.
Two different approaches. There is building a proper team which will take time, or there is buying plasters to hide all the cracks for short term success. Most of the people that were against Jose could see it had no long term sustainability and he wasn’t building anything at all or trying to improve the younger talents we had. He was a disaster of a manager setting us back 3 years even if some are blinded by 2 tin cups and a 2nd place finish in a poor year for quality in the premiership.
We would have been better to stick it out with LVG than stick the toxic one in charge.
I was very kind to Moyes and LVG. They weren’t good enough either.
Its not about appeasing disgruntled fans but simply to force the board to do their job rather then expect the manager to take the blame of their feck ups. A well thought statement would put pressure on the board to act by releasing much necessary funds to strengthen the team.
Top players want to be in a competitive sides that can actually win trophies. They don't want to be stuck with a club who struggle to make it to top 4. Hence why most of our top players either want to leave (ex Pogba) or do not want to sign for us (ex Jadon). The ones who are happy with this situation are West Ham level players such as Jesse, Mata, Smalling, Jones and co.
Maybe because we have a big squad? and first things first is to get rid of the players.
Ole wants to use Rashford and Martial as striker and introduce Greenwood. We do not need a new ST
Well in similar logic, why are you counting Herrera? He already had his mind set on leaving by the time Ole arrived and Mourinho hadn't done enough to keep him. That was on Mou and Ed. Pogba is an improvement yes, but the rest of our midfield isn't. Fred and a finished Matic haven't exactly shown they're better than prime Herrera/Schneiderlin.
I have no idea where the bolded part comes from, I certainly wasn't of the opinion that our squad was anywhere near City-level even though I do think Pep would get more out of any squad than Jose would. I do agree that the squad we have now isn't as shite as some make it out to be but I do think our squad is significantly worse than that of City and Liverpool, and also not as good as Spurs and Arsenal. Not sure about Chelsea.
Eighth actually. But Klopp is a poor comparision given he reached Europa League and Capital One Cup final in his first season without making any new signings. Plus, changes in his style was pretty evident.
Under Ole, its same old sleep inducing football as we played under Jose.
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