Just me, or did it seem a bit over the top to show the thing?
Major plot hole:
Why did they all leave Alex, the crippled and weak one, alone with Monty when the latter was supposed to hand over the polaroids? Did the rest all had classes to go to or something?
Sure, but these are experiences that some kids do go through. Not sure why you're bothered about 17 year olds being smart. Think they showed how some can be smart and mature (or at least what they think is mature), whilst others are idiotic and self serving.Just finished Season 2. It took about 8 episodes to get going for me. I though a lot of it was unnecessary. These so called high schoolers seemed way to smart to be in High School and that bothered me to no end. The amount of "experiences" they had all gone through seemed absolutely ridiculous. The only thing that seemed somewhat realistic was the Clay and Hannah story. It is somewhat relatable, I guess
Nah you're not an idiot. I count like 4 timelines going on at the same time.Maybe I'm just an idiot but the time jumping is so confusing. Half the time I don't know what period of time the scene actually is.
It’s not about it being uncomfortable to watch, nor glorifying suicide. Pretty much every piece of literature on the matter, every psychological advisor to tv and cinema, says that vividly and realistically depicting suicide makes those who are suicidal find it easier. They either copycat what they saw or just see how ‘quick’ the whole process is. When it came out there was huge backlash from the mental health professionals ESPECIALLY when the show had been advised against showing it. Whilst they couldn’t definitively link it to the show, there was an unexpected spike in young suicides following the release of the first season.I read somewhere they’ve removed the suicide scene from season 1 just recently. Something about people complaining about it glorifying suicide. So what 3 years after it comes out people are getting that removed. I actually find that scene really uncomfortable to watch and I mean that’s the point of that scene stupid society.
Weird that after every season they have mental health, rape councillors and all these experts in their field after every season talking about these issues.When it came out there was huge backlash from the mental health professionals ESPECIALLY when the show had been advised against showing it.
There was backlash immediately after the first season aired, and has continued since then. I do find it odd it has taken until now, but perhaps because it was continued. The studies I saw focused more on 10-17 year old.Weird that after every season they have mental health, rape councillors and all these experts in their field after every season talking about these issues.
There are also many other studies that contradict what you are saying that say there are drops in terms of suicide risks on studies taken before and after people watched the season. There was a spike, which is true in young men 17-29 where woman between the age of 17-29 stayed the same.
I just find it suspicious that suicide has been depicted in many things over the years and nothing seems to have been done to remove these scenes. I guess with the success of 13 reasons why it reaches a bigger audience and therefore these “experts” can latch on to its success and get their name out there by being attached to it in anyway.
I mean episodes are given an age certificate for a reason with most being 15 certificate and some being 18.There was backlash immediately after the first season aired, and has continued since then. I do find it odd it has taken until now, but perhaps because it was continued. The studies I saw focused more on 10-17 year old.
Yes there have been scenes depicting suicide before, but none this graphic and realistic in a show mainly aimed at teenagers - again something that is consistently advised against across the board. However I think you're being quite cynical that its certain experts wanting their names to be attached now that its successful, when on the whole it was institutions such as the National Association of School Psychologists and Society of Clinical and Adolescent Psychology who were the biggest critics. If there was any chance that the scene contributed to a number of copy cat suicides, no matter how few, get rid of it. Is it really worth having it in the show?
We all know that ratings don't mean jack. Especially on Netflix. It's a show about teenagers, for teenagers.I mean episodes are given an age certificate for a reason with most being 15 certificate and some being 18.
Again these are not in shows meant for teenagers about a fellow teenager taking their own life.There have been far more graphic suicide depictions of people hanging themselves with all the prep work as well. People taking a gun to their head, taking pills and many many more.
"In April 2017, the National Association of School Psychologists (NASP) in the United States released a statement regarding the series, saying: "Research shows that exposure to another person's suicide, or to graphic or sensationalized accounts of death, can be one of the many risk factors that youth struggling with mental health conditions cite as a reason they contemplate or attempt suicide."[66] NASP sent a letter to school mental health professionals across the country about the series, reportedly a first for NASP in response to a television series.[67] The following month, the United States Society of Clinical Child and Adolescent Psychology (SCCAP) released a statement also noting how strongly the series may serve as a trigger for self-injury among vulnerable youth"Also many of these big mental health experts complaints are about the depiction of the family and friends and there reactions after the suicide and how Hannah is held up as some sort of idol. Most suicidal people claim that they hang on to spare their family and friends which in that scene the reactions of her parents are I feel brilliantly done but I would agree the general principle of showing how everyone eventually moves on and comes to terms with it is probably more damning than the depiction of how she does it. “Suicide contagion” and all.
It’s meant for 15 year olds and older and ratings are there for a reason.We all know that ratings don't mean jack. Especially on Netflix. It's a show about teenagers, for teenagers.
Yes they are.Again these are not in shows meant for teenagers about a fellow teenager taking their own life.
By no means a mental health expert but I’ve had family members attempt and some succeed in committing suicide and at times struggled with depression anxiety and things like that myself but I didn’t need 13 reasons why to teach me how to cut my wrists. I knew how to do that long before the show came around as I’m sure many others do as it’s not particularly rocket science. It just seems stupid to me I guess to try and paint in like it’s a how to.Again I put the question: if in any way the depiction of her suicide has caused a few copy cat suicides, which it arguably has, PLUS mental health professionals are expressing in their professional opinion that the scene is damaging and goes against all recommendations, why not scrap it? The show gets no worse without it. This isn't bad censorship. I haven't seen the new cut, but they most likely still show the scene of the parents finding her, just not her actually committing suicide.
It’s meant for 15 year olds and older and ratings are there for a reason.
Ratings are there so you can release your film/tv show/video game. How many 12 year olds play Call of Duty, how many 13 year olds watched American Pie. The companies that make these things are fully aware their target audience reaches a bit below their ratings classification.
Yes they are.
Fair enough, I just don’t know which shows are quite as graphic as this.
By no means a mental health expert but I’ve had family members attempt and some succeed in committing suicide and at times struggled with depression anxiety and things like that myself but I didn’t need 13 reasons why to teach me how to cut my wrists. I knew how to do that long before the show came around as I’m sure many others do as it’s not particularly rocket science. It just seems stupid to me I guess to try and paint in like it’s a how to.
I am very much the same, so from a similar experience we have differing views. You might know now and might have known how to at the age of 13, but that isn’t the point. The reason there are these experts is because there are a lot more people in the world than you or I, many of whom wouldn’t know the exact mechanics of it, so the experts see the wider society as more of a dataset and set their recommendations accordingly. Secondly it pretty much is a how to in regards to this particular means, there are many many failed attempts because they don’t do it the right way and in the right location.
I just don’t know why there would be any pushback against people who have spent their life studying and understanding this, saying it’s a bad idea.
Anyway it’s done so it doesn’t really matter but seems like a slippery slope.
As it wont let me post 2 spoilers in 1 post
Episode 8 really annoyed me one of the scenes was so ott
that scene where they were attacking and resisting the police like that was just stupid imo
Exactly it was just so over the top and stupid it filled over half an episode as well just wanted it done withyeah that riot scene was kinda dumb, even the cops with riot shields and guns. I mean seriously? Does that happen at a school.
Exactly it was just so over the top and stupid it filled over half an episode as well just wanted it done with
Spoiler: Clay & Zak in Zak's car
how the hell did Clay walk away from that without even bruises/ scratches while Zak had multiple broken bones? I'd at least have expected bruises and scratches given the speed, the car flipping etc
they should have died from a crash like that. Plus clay would be a dead man anyway if he fecks with my audi .just finihsed it now. Last episode is an emotional rollercoaster