Haha. Funny. Good one.
Glazers / Woodward out! (One down)
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I'm not a massive fan of this guy. But he does talk some sense in this video.
Net spend this summer £75m January £0.
Net spend last summer £55m January £0.
Yet sone United fans just accept it.
Net spend this summer £75m January £0.
Net spend last summer £55m January £0.
Yet sone United fans just accept it.
Well then don't complain when we lose games. To get to the championship, we need to get less than 40 points. So don't be harsh on the team when we lose and draw.
I have a bridge to sell you. When and where would you like to meet to discuss this opportunity?
That is in addition to the one Woody and/or the Glazers have sold you.
Ole is now suffering because of the Glazers and Woodward not giving him what was promised, this won't change no matter what manager or DOF comes in. Until this club is SOLD we cannot expect anymore than what we are doing now.
You literally cannot argue with this,it's fact. We're spending less when our league standing is falling. We deserve everything we get.
We're quite simply fecked with this mob in charge. Only through Fergie's brilliance and squeezing the best out of RVP did we continue to challenge and win.
We have no structure in place. No footballing team in place. We have seen many of our rivals build entire departments in order to style their play, and plan their transfer business. We go from one window to anothr without any semblance of a plan, and keep chopping and changing managers with totally different styles of play. All the appointments from Moyes > LVG > Jose > Ole have no link or coherent planning.
We will continue on this course unless there is major upheaval. The issue for me is seeing so many fans just turn their attention to the manager and start calling for their heads. We cannot keep blaming the manager for the faults and incompetence above them.
The Club is losing its magic and if we continue to show very little to zero footballing ambition, the 'honour' of being manager of Manchester United will be lost, as will the desire for top players to come and play at Old Trafford.
I do not see the current senior management at the club taking the steps to galvanise the club and bring us into a modern setup. I am starting to believe the only way this changes is if/when the Glazers go. When that will be exactly remains to be seen, and only likely once they cannot withdraw such huge dividends out of the club, which in turn will b a result of us slipping further and further down the league standings.
We have no structure in place. No footballing team in place. We have seen many of our rivals build entire departments in order to style their play, and plan their transfer business. We go from one window to anothr without any semblance of a plan, and keep chopping and changing managers with totally different styles of play. All the appointments from Moyes > LVG > Jose > Ole have no link or coherent planning.
We will continue on this course unless there is major upheaval. The issue for me is seeing so many fans just turn their attention to the manager and start calling for their heads. We cannot keep blaming the manager for the faults and incompetence above them.
The Club is losing its magic and if we continue to show very little to zero footballing ambition, the 'honour' of being manager of Manchester United will be lost, as will the desire for top players to come and play at Old Trafford.
I do not see the current senior management at the club taking the steps to galvanise the club and bring us into a modern setup. I am starting to believe the only way this changes is if/when the Glazers go. When that will be exactly remains to be seen, and only likely once they cannot withdraw such huge dividends out of the club, which in turn will b a result of us slipping further and further down the league standings.
“Oh yes please mister, is it that big famous one London Bridge.
The really big nice one?”
“Yes it is.”
“Excellent, here’s the cheque”
“Oh this isn’t the one I wanted.”
“Tough pal read the contract.”
Thanks.
Unless you're selling Stamford Bridge i'm not interested, i'd love to bulldoze the place and replace it with a tourist attraction.
I think we are in deeper shit that it appears because of Woodward, he shat the bed big time when he appointed Ole and fate has conspired with Ole going on one of the worst runs of results imaginable since Paris. Now the trouble in appointing a DOF under these circumstances is that he has already been undermined by Woodward making the single most important decision a DOF would expect to make when embarking on a major rebuild like the one we need. This also points to Woodward not being willing to completely let go of the football side of the club and most likely the position is so diluted that anyone worth his salt will see it for what it is: a 'flak catcher for Woodward' according to Brian McClair.
We need Woodward to really define to job description that matches what we expect of a DOF, an executive responsible for our overall football strategy with the authority to hire and fire coaches, sign and sell players in consultation with the manager and establish a link between the first team and all the youth team. Get the most successful guys around like Sammer, Michael Zorc, Campos or the guy at Juve. Allow him to build up his recruitment team that includes talent spotters,negotiators and scouts. All Woodward would be involved with will be limited to approving budget requests, setting budget parameters in terms of wages and fees and giving the nod for the occasional marquee signing above 100m pounds.
We need Woodward to really define to job description that matches what we expect of a DOF, an executive responsible for our overall football strategy with the authority to hire and fire coaches, sign and sell players in consultation with the manager and establish a link between the first team and all the youth team. Get the most successful guys around like Sammer, Michael Zorc, Campos or the guy at Juve. Allow him to build up his recruitment team that includes talent spotters,negotiators and scouts. All Woodward would be involved with will be limited to approving budget requests, setting budget parameters in terms of wages and fees and giving the nod for the occasional marquee signing above 100m pounds.
Maybe they're not recruiting a DOF because as soon as they see the top line strategy "maximise turnover, profit with minimal investment", any football man worth his salt will walk out.
Maybe unrelated but - Haven't we already had a highly rated scout leave to be DOF elsewhere?
Maybe unrelated but - Haven't we already had a highly rated scout leave to be DOF elsewhere?
Now is the perfect time to hire a DOF but will Woodward do it? I won't hold my breathe.
Wait. Didn't Sanchez come last January? Am I missing something?
Didn't Pottechino spend 0 last summer as well?
Poch had a much better squad to start with, also a brand new stadium to show for it afterwards! One of the most impressive in the league (meanwhile Old Trafford looks tired and in need of a refresh). What do we have to show for our ridiculously low net spend?
Sanchez was a swap with Miki.
What's your point? Or do you not have one?
We won't be a top club again until Woodward and the Glazers go. Fergie isn't here to hold it all together anymore for them to hide behind.
When you take 1bn out of a football club and at the same time make mistake after mistake it comes.with consequences. And those are we are 5-10 years behind City now.
fecking can't wait till they all feck off.
When you take 1bn out of a football club and at the same time make mistake after mistake it comes.with consequences. And those are we are 5-10 years behind City now.
fecking can't wait till they all feck off.
Agreed. Although if we fixed it now I dont think we are 5-10 years behind City. Problem is, these looting cowboys won't fix anything so it will be us in decline for the foreseeable future.
If we win just one more league title, just a single one, under this regime I will be hugely shocked.
I don't think we will get close for the foreseeable.
What's new here then? Gomes not travelling to Southampton rebooted the 'Glazer Out' campaign?
I’m not massive fans of the owners or Ed but I really don’t agree with a lot of the hate directed towards them. Up till mourinho’s last season they have chucked good money after bad backing the managers. It’s not worked and I think now they are spending last season and this season correcting it all. I think they will spend big again this January onwards now we’ve started shipping out a few. Granted I accept they are bloody clueless giving such as Sanchez the contract he got but half the extensions given to others are just protecting assets so they can sell on and don’t lose for nothing. Granted, it doesn’t always work out. Oles in charge now and I think these recent departures are much more telling than signings. I think they’ve finally realised
It really is the perfect conditions. Its clearly a transition season for us, where a lot of a new DoF approach would have a good amount of time to settle in and be implemented.
Will it happen? Probably not until we're further down the shitshow and Woodward's reactionary brain realises it.
Don’t really know, just roumors going about DD is selling his shares
Who finished with a higher league position the previous season?
In what context is 75m pounds a low net spend?
Why does the transfer fee matter more than getting better the player in the swap and paying him astronomical wages? Seems odd.
Asking questions for clarification.
I despise the Glazers. For reference, I lived at No. 12 Sir Matt Busby Way from 2003-2007 (we thought we were getting No. 10, Ruud Manor, but we got next door, Bellion Lodge) and we had a LUHG banner the full length of our house for the last 18months or so.
However, what I’ve come to realise in the time since is that the game I love, the one I fell in love with as a 7 year old watching Italia 90 in South Manchester, has gone. Sure, the Glazers are sh*t. They’re parasitic, money grubbing scum that will hawk our name to flog any old tat.... but so will anyone else.
City, it pains me to say, are fantastically well run as a football club, but look at their owners; they’re human rights violating, sports washing c**ts. That’s who will buy us. Or some other American c**ts that will slap our name onto noodles and tractors. The Glazers could sell us tomorrow, but it doesn’t mean that we’ll get our soul back. That went a long time ago and the devil doesn’t do refunds.
It’s not us specifically, it’s the game. It’s a multi billion dollar industry, not locals huddled together on terraces joined in the communion of hope, relief and song. I’ve been fortunate enough to travel a fair bit; wherever you go in the world, if you say you’re from Manchester the first response is “Oh, Manchester United!”. That means there’s money to be made.
The sad truth is that, as with everything else in the world right now, the middle will be squeezed and the world forced into an hour glass; see Bury for an example. The next decade or so will see a European Super League, probably delivered by Netflix or Amazon and the mass amateurisation of the smaller League One and League Two clubs. And if you think I’m being too pessimistic, the Championship average 106% of turnover paid out as wages in 2017-18. Marcos Rojo earns north of £100kpw.
My heart is torn, as logically I despise everything that we have become, but, to paraphrase and borrow from the great Sir Bobby Robson, emotionally there is still that little boy, walking over the bridge to Old Trafford, walking up the steps to the stand, eyes wide in wonderment at the vastness of the hallowed turf... and falling hopelessly in love for the first time in my life.
However, what I’ve come to realise in the time since is that the game I love, the one I fell in love with as a 7 year old watching Italia 90 in South Manchester, has gone. Sure, the Glazers are sh*t. They’re parasitic, money grubbing scum that will hawk our name to flog any old tat.... but so will anyone else.
City, it pains me to say, are fantastically well run as a football club, but look at their owners; they’re human rights violating, sports washing c**ts. That’s who will buy us. Or some other American c**ts that will slap our name onto noodles and tractors. The Glazers could sell us tomorrow, but it doesn’t mean that we’ll get our soul back. That went a long time ago and the devil doesn’t do refunds.
It’s not us specifically, it’s the game. It’s a multi billion dollar industry, not locals huddled together on terraces joined in the communion of hope, relief and song. I’ve been fortunate enough to travel a fair bit; wherever you go in the world, if you say you’re from Manchester the first response is “Oh, Manchester United!”. That means there’s money to be made.
The sad truth is that, as with everything else in the world right now, the middle will be squeezed and the world forced into an hour glass; see Bury for an example. The next decade or so will see a European Super League, probably delivered by Netflix or Amazon and the mass amateurisation of the smaller League One and League Two clubs. And if you think I’m being too pessimistic, the Championship average 106% of turnover paid out as wages in 2017-18. Marcos Rojo earns north of £100kpw.
My heart is torn, as logically I despise everything that we have become, but, to paraphrase and borrow from the great Sir Bobby Robson, emotionally there is still that little boy, walking over the bridge to Old Trafford, walking up the steps to the stand, eyes wide in wonderment at the vastness of the hallowed turf... and falling hopelessly in love for the first time in my life.
Nice post, sure I’ve seen that banner not that I’ve been since Leicester at home 2 years ago.
Understand what you mean, the glazers sell us. Out of the frying pan into fire basically because there ain’t no billionaire benefactor that is going to take it on for the love it.
I’ve stopped enjoying it for the game it was after fergie left probably before then but at least he was old school.
Still want united to do well obviously and it kills me seeing city and Liverpool now as I was brought up to hate all things scouse, not so much city and I will always want them to stop Liverpool regaining the title they last won last century
I do it all now for the days out with the lads and hopefully see us become a force again which will happen but god knows when.
That's exactly the point. They are clueless and have no idea about running a successful football team. Only a successful business. They are great at marketing but have no clue in succession planning or realistic plans to get anyone in who does.
Money wise: They've spent some of the clubs money. Nowhere near the amount we should spend relative to revenue the last 2 years. Meanwhile we are still in debt. Their debt. The rate they are paying the interest is not to clear the debt anytime in the next few decades. That money should go back into the club.
Compare us to Newcastle and we're doing alright. Compare us to top clubs in Europe, with similar revenue levels and fanbase, then you'll see how much our owners are causing us to underachieve.
If you're referring to Jose Mourinhos "biggest ever achievement" then I agree with him. It was.
The net spend in context with Aston Villa spending double what Manchester United have. Or compared with other top European club with similar revenue and fanbase. Take Real Madrid as example.
These questions are getting silly now. Quite obviously deflection. What seems odd is your consistent irrational defence of our owners. Extremely odd.
Get them out.
Once again. They've fecked us. Lack of investment. Poor investment when they have made it. Poor succession planning of managers. Debt still stupidly high.
Money making over football.
We're run by greedy clowns.
Money making over football.
We're run by greedy clowns.
This is where the anger should be directed.
These blood suckers are the real culprits
I'd take relegation this year if it forced them out
Weird response. Before that season, he said his team was equipped to win the title and it was his team.
Why are you comparing the spending with a newly promoted team? That seems odd. Why not compare it with the same teams in similar years? Why ignore the previous two season where he spent nearly 300m?
How am I deflecting when I'm asking you the questions? Don't be petty. Let's try this again.
In the case of Sanchez, Why does the transfer fee matter more than getting better the player in the swap and paying him astronomical wages?
Again, I'm trying to get clarification on the original post I quoted.
This x1million
No Ole hot what he wanted. He's the idiot who thinks Rashford will score 20 plus goals a season
A mix of the Glazers not giving us the money we need and Ole's delusion is a horrible combination.
United have gone from league winners to competing for top 4 to now competing for top 6 while Ed Woodward still has a job
I can’t think of any other person who has consistently failed for so long and kept their job, it’s mind boggling!
Do you really think Ole was pleased with the options made available to him this season?
I thought he said 17 million this year