RedNed77
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Weirdly, it was never entertaining under Jose.You know what's entertaining? Winning
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Weirdly, it was never entertaining under Jose.You know what's entertaining? Winning
I don't want neither, but it looks like almost a sabotage of the only thing that was working out for this midfield.Sigh. I don't like talking about Herrera. He was in every match of Ole's winning start wasn't he? And then as soon as he was out injured we lost form entirely. And of course didn't replace him..
Obsession here about attacking football is unreal. As it is only important in football to play attractive football. Who has that what United fans want? Attacking, attractive fast game winning football? City, Liverpool, Dortmund and...maybe Barca?No we aren't. But we won't be watching amazing stuff under allegri either...
So regardless of style of play as long as the team you support wins you are entertained?You know what's entertaining? Winning
Yes!!So regardless of style of play as long as the team you support wins you are entertained?
Of courseSo regardless of style of play as long as the team you support wins you are entertained?
Ehm, yes. I find it bizarre to consider any other answer to the question.So regardless of style of play as long as the team you support wins you are entertained?
Yes!!
Of course
Fair enough but to be honest i've always found it a bit bizarre how people can be entertained solely by the result of the game, if i thought that way i probably wouldn't even bother watching and just check for the result after it's finished.Ehm, yes. I find it bizarre to consider any other answer to the question.
What we are playing is not attacking football. We play Mourinho football, just with our players being situated higher on the pitch.Do people really want to abandon attacking for negative football after just a few months ? Hopefully when we eventually get a director of football he won't be a total flip flopper
Attacking football? We have no idea how to attack whatsoever.Do people really want to abandon attacking for negative football after just a few months ? Hopefully when we eventually get a director of football he won't be a total flip flopper
Please notify me when under Solskjaer we have played attacking football.Do people really want to abandon attacking for negative football after just a few months ? Hopefully when we eventually get a director of football he won't be a total flip flopper
So much this. For the first 3 years Juventus played really good, balanced football. They knew when to attack, when to defend, when to speed it up, when to slow it down. Then they systematically destroyed the midfield selling Pogba and Vidal, letting Pirlo go and Marchisio tore his ACL. The only valid replacement for any one of them was Pjanić.His teams play better football than most think. We pretty much parked the bus when we played them a few years ago.
Entertaining is subjective, but for me Barcelona, Bayern, Atletico.Is there any team in world football at the moment that is winning silverware but is not entertaining?
I agree and i don't know why people keep saying that. The thing why i like Allegri ( i admit, i wasn't his fan few years ago) is that his team has plan a, b and c.His teams play better football than most think. We pretty much parked the bus when we played them a few years ago.
Absolutely correct.So much this. For the first 3 years Juventus played really good, balanced football. They knew when to attack, when to defend, when to speed it up, when to slow it down. Then they systematically destroyed the midfield selling Pogba and Vidal, letting Pirlo go and Marchisio tore his ACL. The only valid replacement for any one of them was Pjanić.
Even last year for the first half of season they were one of the best attacking teams in Europe by any metric - no. of passes, accuracy, possession, no. of shots total/on target and injuries tore them apart in second half.
Allegri isn't Klopp or Pep but he isn't Cappello either. He's a tactician and tailors the style to what he has.
Entertaining is subjective, but for me Barcelona, Bayern, Atletico.
you think we are playing attacking football?Do people really want to abandon attacking for negative football after just a few months ?
Yeahyou think we are playing attacking football?
Fantastic post and I agree 100%.Fair enough but to be honest i've always found it a bit bizarre how people can be entertained solely by the result of the game, if i thought that way i probably wouldn't even bother watching and just check for the result after it's finished.
Over the years there were always big games in the league or the cups where you are just relieved to win and the manner of the victory doesn't really matter. I always want United to win every game and i'm disappointed when we don't. But for the most part i just want to watch some brave, entertaining and attacking football win, lose or draw. If that leads to winning games, league titles and/or Cups like it more often than not did under Fergie then great i'd be delighted. To support a team you have to watch 50-60 games a season which can be up to 100 hours of your time.
If thats spent watching the sort of tumescent football that was served up under Moyes and for long stretches under Van Gaal & Mourinho without any hope of the style of play improving then its time wasted in my opinion. When the football has been bad you always hope it will get better. I could never just settle for watching boring football every game with no hope of it improving as long as we win, for me that would be empty and pointless.
If i had a choice between guaranteed entertaining football with the hope we could win a trophy or a guarantee we would win a trophy but only by playing tumescent defensive football. Then i'd pick the former every time.
If you thought Ole has no plan B, wait until you see Nuno.Still think Ole will quit by end of season and Allegri was the guy I wanted the moment Jose left. Right now, it's him or Nuno (if he was stupid enough to leave Wolves); Poch isn't going to leave Spurs anytime soon.
This. Not sure who people think we are going to get once the Ole situation gets ugly, when a) the Glazers are now cutting back on Transfer budgets (therefore preventing big chnages needed) and b) the squad is just not very good.Sir Alex obviously spoilt us.
It is amazing how United fans are saying a manager like Allegri is not good enough for the club at this point in time. Let's wake up. We are not the same club we were under Fergie. It is claw-your-way-back-up time.
I remember some even saying Ronaldo is finished and not good enough for the club again before Juventus snapped him.
Allegri is really bad if he doesn't have a great team. Look what he did at Milan in his last season - absolute horror show. When Juve appointed him as their new manager a lot of Milan was were laughing at them because of how bad he was.Still think Ole will quit by end of season and Allegri was the guy I wanted the moment Jose left. Right now, it's him or Nuno (if he was stupid enough to leave Wolves); Poch isn't going to leave Spurs anytime soon.
Would rather give Jorge Jesus a try than Nuno tbh.Still think Ole will quit by end of season and Allegri was the guy I wanted the moment Jose left. Right now, it's him or Nuno (if he was stupid enough to leave Wolves); Poch isn't going to leave Spurs anytime soon.
I tend to agree. I went to games at OT under LVG and Jose and some of those times it just felt like a chore. Regardless of the result, it wasnt something I was looking forward to. Remember we played Villa at home, Think Rashford got the winner and we won 1-0. It was absolutely dreadful.Fair enough but to be honest i've always found it a bit bizarre how people can be entertained solely by the result of the game, if i thought that way i probably wouldn't even bother watching and just check for the result after it's finished.
Over the years there were always big games in the league or the cups where you are just relieved to win and the manner of the victory doesn't really matter. I always want United to win every game and i'm disappointed when we don't. But for the most part i just want to watch some brave, entertaining and attacking football win, lose or draw. If that leads to winning games, league titles and/or Cups like it more often than not did under Fergie then great i'd be delighted. To support a team you have to watch 50-60 games a season which can be up to 100 hours of your time.
If thats spent watching the sort of tumescent football that was served up under Moyes and for long stretches under Van Gaal & Mourinho without any hope of the style of play improving then its time wasted in my opinion. When the football has been bad you always hope it will get better. I could never just settle for watching boring football every game with no hope of it improving as long as we win, for me that would be empty and pointless.
If i had a choice between guaranteed entertaining football with the hope we could win a trophy or a guarantee we would win a trophy but only by playing tumescent defensive football. Then i'd pick the former every time.
Yeah definitely despite all these hypotheticals United have the resources to play attractive attacking football and win. It doesn't have to be one or the other.I tend to agree. I went to games at OT under LVG and Jose and some of those times it just felt like a chore. Regardless of the result, it wasnt something I was looking forward to. Remember we played Villa at home, Think Rashford got the winner and we won 1-0. It was absolutely dreadful.
I think we all want to see our teams win matches and win trophies. And we will accept the ugly game here and there. But I also feel theres a bit of difference to me when I go to the game vs when im watching on TV / Online in that when im at the game, I want to be entertained too (and for entertained is going to try and win the game rather than going to try and not lose).
I may think different if we werent a 'big club' who couldnt match others. But we can if we really wanted to which is frustrating. But mostly I agree wit hyou.
Football is tribalism. Not entertainmentFair enough but to be honest i've always found it a bit bizarre how people can be entertained solely by the result of the game, if i thought that way i probably wouldn't even bother watching and just check for the result after it's finished.
Over the years there were always big games in the league or the cups where you are just relieved to win and the manner of the victory doesn't really matter. I always want United to win every game and i'm disappointed when we don't. But for the most part i just want to watch some brave, entertaining and attacking football win, lose or draw. If that leads to winning games, league titles and/or Cups like it more often than not did under Fergie then great i'd be delighted. To support a team you have to watch 50-60 games a season which can be up to 100 hours of your time.
If thats spent watching the sort of tumescent football that was served up under Moyes and for long stretches under Van Gaal & Mourinho without any hope of the style of play improving then its time wasted in my opinion. When the football has been bad you always hope it will get better. I could never just settle for watching boring football every game with no hope of it improving as long as we win, for me that would be empty and pointless.
If i had a choice between guaranteed entertaining football with the hope we could win a trophy or a guarantee we would win a trophy but only by playing tumescent defensive football. Then i'd pick the former every time.
If thats how you feel fair enough mate, the two are not mutually exclusive though.Football is tribalism. Not entertainment
As ever, though, Sir Bobby Charlton, who went on to fulfil the lost legacy of fallen colleagues by winning the European Cup in 1968, fashioned the perfect epitaph for a glorious team.
"I'll never forget what Sir Matt said to us one day when he pointed across to Trafford Park, which at the time was the largest industrial estate in Europe," he said, his voice cracking with emotion. "He told us: 'The people over there work hard all week long and it is your job to go out on the field and provide them with some entertainment'.
"And that is what we tried to do; we played for the team, for the club and for the country."
So does the Manchester United board and therein lies the fault for the current malaise.I keep changing minds.
I totally agree. But it's worth remembering a lot of the e-fans don't actually watch the games, so it's why they're more interested in winning which they can brag about on their Facebook/Instagram pages.Fair enough but to be honest i've always found it a bit bizarre how people can be entertained solely by the result of the game, if i thought that way i probably wouldn't even bother watching and just check for the result after it's finished.
Over the years there were always big games in the league or the cups where you are just relieved to win and the manner of the victory doesn't really matter. I always want United to win every game and i'm disappointed when we don't. But for the most part i just want to watch some brave, entertaining and attacking football win, lose or draw. If that leads to winning games, league titles and/or Cups like it more often than not did under Fergie then great i'd be delighted. To support a team you have to watch 50-60 games a season which can be up to 100 hours of your time.
If thats spent watching the sort of tumescent football that was served up under Moyes and for long stretches under Van Gaal & Mourinho without any hope of the style of play improving then its time wasted in my opinion. When the football has been bad you always hope it will get better. I could never just settle for watching boring football every game with no hope of it improving as long as we win, for me that would be empty and pointless.
If i had a choice between guaranteed entertaining football with the hope we could win a trophy or a guarantee we would win a trophy but only by playing tumescent defensive football. Then i'd pick the former every time.
To be honest i do suspect that is a big part of it for a lot of fans these days and why so many are currently losing their shit. Personally i don't do ''banter'' i couldn't give a feck what friends/family who support other teams say about United i just laugh it off. Even during the Fergie years i never gloated about Uniteds success or lorded it over fans of other teams.I totally agree. But it's worth remembering a lot of the e-fans don't actually watch the games, so it's why they're more interested in winning which they can brag about on their Facebook/Instagram pages.
Yes I do. I follow a lot of other fan forums, people on Twitter etc and I swear to God there's not one fanbase that's happy with their coach and the way their team plays other than City and Liverpool. None.Absolutely correct.
But do you mean Barcelona, Bayern and Atletico are winning silverware but not entertaining?
1. Allegri never had a truly great team by European standards, that being a very good player at every position and little to no weaknesses. Last year Juve team comes close, but their midfield was God awful and his first Juve season is probably the closes but they had no depth beyond starting 11 and that team was eliminated in CL GS the year before he came.Allegri is really bad if he doesn't have a great team. Look what he did at Milan in his last season - absolute horror show. When Juve appointed him as their new manager a lot of Milan was were laughing at them because of how bad he was.