Poch 'had no clue' how to break Newcastle down last week and he's got Kane, Son, Eriksen and Moura rather than Rashford, Mata, Lingard and James.We didn't dominate. We had more possession because the other teams let us have possession. It was their tactics to let us have the ball and be compact. Ole had no clue on how to break them down.
Tactically and in coaching he is inept. He is not a high class coach and never has been.
Childish argument. Poch has proven he’s in a different stratosphere in regards to coaching than Ole is to this point.Poch 'had no clue' how to break Newcastle down last week and he's got Kane, Son, Eriksen and Moura rather than Rashford, Mata, Lingard and James.
It's not constructive criticism in any way, nor does it even hold true. I think it says more about the original poster (and plenty of others that have fallen to the same level) than it does about Ole.See, this is what gets me. How can you word it like that? Totally incompetent?
It’s all shite or wonderful, no fecking shades of grey. How can you people posr this kind of nonsense?
OK so if one game suits an agenda on one manager it's fine, but for another it's not.Childish argument. Poch has proven he’s in a different stratosphere in regards to coaching than Ole is to this point.
The difference being he's had TIME at clubs with less pressure.Childish argument. Poch has proven he’s in a different stratosphere in regards to coaching than Ole is to this point.
The facts are Ole is doing a bad job. Our results are appalling. We don’t have a great squad but if we have a good coach with these players back in December he’d have them in a much better shape than this. The run we’re on is literally relegation material.OK so if one game suits an agenda on one manager it's fine, but for another it's not.
And Poch's run is worse.The facts are Ole is doing a bad job. Our results are appalling. We don’t have a great squad but if we have a good coach with these players back in December he’d have them in a much better shape than this. The run we’re on is literally relegation material.
I doubt be even thought he was in contention. He came out of nowhere and has no high level pedigree. He was given a 6 month contract and I doubt they said "if you do well you have the job"Well this is rubbish.
He wanted the job FT so wouldn't he there for demand results to show he is good enough to get it FT?
Do you honestly believe that Ole is capable of this job? What evidence do you have to back up your answer if so?And Poch's run is worse.
Thing is as always you are entirely disingenuous on this subject. I don't know why you insist on pretending you think that Solskjaer is even a good manager at all let alone of the quality to manage United or comparable to Pochetinno for that matter.And Poch's run is worse.
There are people who watch football and understand the intricacies of man management, tactics etc... and then there are people who occupy some region between total no-nothingness and the bullshit club 'legend' sentimentality worship. The fact is, OGS, on pure managerial ability, isn't a PL manager. And the fact that people defend his permanent appointment just shows how a club with a huge supporter base does attract some poor mob thinking.Poch 'had no clue' how to break Newcastle down last week and he's got Kane, Son, Eriksen and Moura rather than Rashford, Mata, Lingard and James.
I don't 'pretend on thinking that Solskjaer is a good manager' but he's not proved while he's been here he's a bad manager yet either. And then when i compare him to others who are seen as the answer to all our problems (Poch) there are always excuses made despite similar current results (with a better team).Thing is as always you are entirely disingenuous on this subject. I don't know why you insist on pretending you think that Solskjaer is even a good manager at all let alone of the quality to manage United or comparable to Pochetinno for that matter.
Do you honestly believe that your alternative (whoever that is?) is definitely the answer despite all our recent efforts that have failed (experience, past success, reputation).Do you honestly believe that Ole is capable of this job? What evidence do you have to back up your answer if so?
Then there are people that watch football, 'understand all the intricacies', think they have a better knowledge than everyone else and have 'evaluated decision making processes' but still believe that throwing 17 years into PL football is the answer.There are people that watch football and understand the intricacies of man management, tactics etc... and then there are people who occupy some region between total no-nothingness and the bullshit club 'legend' sentimentality worship. The fact is, OGS, on pure managerial ability, isn't a PL manager. And the fact that people defend his permanent appointment just shows how a club with a huge supporter base does attract some poor mob thinking.
I have enough of a sample size to evaluate OGS's decision making process (before and during games) to see that intuitively he's not anywhere near the level necessary for a team that wants to remotely competitive for a league title.
Greenwood (after talking him up and up) should have been brought on immediately (if he's not going to start) after SOU went down to 10 men (this after giving him 1 min vs Wolves). If you're this thin after offloading players then you should have the balls to commit like Lampard and actually start Gomes over Mata. The whole handling of Rashford is just laughable. What's he improved on? Playing Pogba in a deep position is just to cover up the complete lack of on the ball quality MFs. Sitting Lingard only for him to be the first sub?? And if you're going to use that 'Ole needs time'...time for what? Poch and a number of transfer windows with little to no in-comings.
And you want to be a high pressing team that counter-attacks? No, you should want to possess the ball if you're employing a high press. Wrong man but he's probably 1/3 of the problem at the club.
We sacked Moyes with this record:I don't 'pretend on thinking that Solskjaer is a good manager' but he's not proved while he's been here he's a bad manager yet either. And then when i compare him to others who are seen as the answer to all our problems (Poch) there are always excuses made despite similar current results (with a better team).
Do you honestly believe that your alternative (whoever that is?) is definitely the answer despite all our recent efforts that have failed (experience, past success, reputation).
This is the bottom line. I would rather have Poch, Klopp or Pep simply because they are tactically more sophisticated than any of the other managers. But no A grade manager will come here as long as the club is run this way. Not when they have better options.I wanted Jose out as much as anyone, but it’s clear to me now that he was the furthest thing from the real issues plaguing the club and the entire footballing world are seeing that now. The club is being run horrendously and before we know it we could become the next Leeds. I genuinely can’t see things improving as long as Woodward and the Glazers are associated with our club.
You're right, let's sack him and start the whole process again. The next guy will also fail with these same players (like i predicted before we sacked Mourinho) so we should sack him, and so on.We sacked Moyes with this record:
27 wins in 51.
Ole:
18 wins 34.
Both as abysmal and clueless as each other.
Keep up the facade all you like but your attention seeking motivations couldn't be any more transparent. That being said your not the only one guilty of this.I don't 'pretend on thinking that Solskjaer is a good manager' but he's not proved while he's been here he's a bad manager yet either. And then when i compare him to others who are seen as the answer to all our problems (Poch) there are always excuses made despite similar current results (with a better team).
If the next guy is a manager on top of his game and not semi retired/clueless we will move forward like Liverpool have with Klopp. Also get Woodward the feck out.You're right, let's sack him and start the whole process again. The next guy will also fail with these same players (like i predicted before we sacked Mourinho) so we should sack him, and so on.
Attention seeking? What are you on about?Keep up the facade all you like but your attention seeking motivations couldn't be any more transparent. That being said your not the only one guilty of this.
Your constant comparisons to Poch is also a facile one which is something else you well know. If you don't like the responses then maybe refrain from all the crap.
No offense but it's really stupid to compare us with Real Madrid.No offence but this is such a stupid way of looking at it. Literally every single club is in that predicament, but they don't go it's time to just shut up shop and not try again. Real Madrid have gone through more managers than us in the last 6 years and that's through one of their most successful periods of history ever.
They also finished 8th that season...Klopps first game in charge
Thats an average squad
Liverpool’s starting XI v Spurs: Mignolet, Clyne, Skrtel, Sakho, Moreno, Leiva, Can, Milner, Lallana (replaced by Allen), Coutinho (replaced by Ibe), Origi
Subs: Toure, Allen, Ibe, Bogdan, Sinclair, Vilaca Teixeira, Randall
Tell me who is this Pep we should be after, someone who can win the Premier League with the Glazers in charge.It's flawed logic. Translate it to outfield positions and it makes even less sense. "We've tried an experienced striker and a young one....so what else?". You pick a rotten apple from a barrel one time and you just give up? I wish the guys at City had the same logic. They'd have stopped at Mancini and never found Pep
It is working wonders.This "logic" which is repeated again and again is amazing. Why buy players then? We had some bad buys. We shouldn't never again buy proven player. James from championship looks good, maybe we should keep buying only players from championship.
Yes, we must aim for best managers around. Like other big teams do. If one fails, we go for another. Simple as that.
So what? Just continue with mediocrity in fear of the next guy failing? When things go wrong in life, you don't just continue making the same mistakes, you improve. We certainly have no aspirations of improving. Just accept this current situation and hope it pans out.You're right, let's sack him and start the whole process again. The next guy will also fail with these same players (like i predicted before we sacked Mourinho) so we should sack him, and so on.
And started the next season on fire. Top of the league after 11 games, 30 goals scored. Conversely, we might take the entire season to score 30.They also finished 8th that season...
You missed my main point, with players that aren't good enough it's irrelevant who is in charge in my opinion. Which is one thing that Solskjaer has shown signs of addressing with the 3 summer signings who have been our best players so far.So what? Just continue with mediocrity in fear of the next guy failing? When things go wrong in life, you don't just continue making the same mistakes, you improve. We certainly have no aspirations of improving. Just accept this current situation and hope it pans out.
What point did you extract from what I said? I basically say the fact that we've tried experienced/unproven managers doesn't mean they are all bad, you come back with this strawman. My nomination is Poch. There are no guarantees to win the league with Pep at City but I'm sure there are many managers better than Ole to challenge themTell me who is this Pep we should be after, someone who can win the Premier League with the Glazers in charge.
I'm certain you can answer this because your logic is flawless.
One of the best and most complete posts I have read about Ole. I said I would have sacked him in the summer. I am shocked and speechless what I see during games. 3 wins in last 16, and 1 clean sheet in 19. He’s not a premier league manager. He is just terrible.There are people that watch football and understand the intricacies of man management, tactics etc... and then there are people who occupy some region between total no-nothingness and the bullshit club 'legend' sentimentality worship. The fact is, OGS, on pure managerial ability, isn't a PL manager. And the fact that people defend his permanent appointment just shows how a club with a huge supporter base does attract some poor mob thinking.
I have enough of a sample size to evaluate OGS's decision making process (before and during games) to see that intuitively he's not anywhere near the level necessary for a team that wants to remotely competitive for a league title.
Greenwood (after talking him up and up) should have been brought on immediately (if he's not going to start) after SOU went down to 10 men (this after giving him 1 min vs Wolves). If you're this thin after offloading players then you should have the balls to commit like Lampard and actually start Gomes over Mata. The whole handling of Rashford is just laughable. What's he improved on? Playing Pogba in a deep position is just to cover up the complete lack of on the ball quality MFs. Sitting Lingard only for him to be the first sub?? And if you're going to use that 'Ole needs time'...time for what? Poch and a number of transfer windows with little to no in-comings.
And you want to be a high pressing team that counter-attacks? No, you should want to possess the ball if you're employing a high press. Wrong man but he's probably 1/3 of the problem at the club.
Actually try to read my post and maybe you'll realise I never implied he shouldn't be sacked.We’ve not had close to a best in class manager and/or an at least an emerging one that understands football how it is currently with a relatively successful background.
Moyes was a mid table manager, who’s biggest achievements was how long he had been at Everton and being Scottish.
LvG had not been involved in club football for years.
Mourinho was washed up and had been sacked from his previous two jobs, including one such a capitulation as having the champions sitting 17th on the league table.
Solskjaer got a 3 year contract on the back of a fluke win in Paris and the emotional attachment fans have to him. The same emotional attachment that makes them believe he’s capable of turning United around despite his managerial reference points being relegation with Cardiff and managing in a league that arguably doesn’t match the English league one in terms of quality/standard. He has presided over our worst run of form since 1962 and no matter how many happy memories, fuzzy feelings, how nice of a guy he is and the fact he can name drop Fergie will change that. There was hardly any substantial evidence that justified his appointment in the first place, and there’s even less so to justify persisting with him.
The implication/suggestion that we should not get rid of an incompetent/inept manager because we tried other avenues in the past, is ridiculous.
Strawman? You said my logic is flawed but you grossly missed my point.What point did you extract from what I said? I basically say the fact that we've tried experienced/unproven managers doesn't mean they are all bad. You come back with this strawman. My nomination is Poch
Think you might have quoted the wrong person then. The guy I was referring to was making an entirely different point from all of this. In any case Poch had zero investment last year (the same summer our manager spent 70m and wasn't backed). An unbacked United manager is a backed Spurs manager. That's how much limitation he has to deal withStrawman? You said my logic is flawed but you grossly missed my point.
My point wasn't that we shouldn't try new managers, but rather that no approach will ever be good enough to make MUFC one of the best clubs in the world again, because the board doesn't care about that as long as the club is making them money.
Then you named Pep as an example of a great catch by Manchester City while ignoring the fact that his predecessor had won the Premier League once and that the squad and the board are way beyond ours.
Poch has all the support from Levy and they are an ambitious project. Do you really think he'd do as well in MUFC alongside Ed Woodward? Maybe he could take us to top 4 but that's it. You may say that would be an improvement but we wouldn't go past that.
I'll sum it up: no manager will lead us to a Premier League title under the Glazers. We can hire one that takes us to the top 4 but no one will go beyond that as long as the devil's offspring own the club.
I said if he worked on his work rate and movement he would be a top player. I just said I didn’t see him improving on that but if he does then why would I have any problem praising him?Actually you laughed at anyone who said that Martial would be a top player. I got so annoyed with your negativity I blocked you for a week. Then Martial started to play really well and you actually came across as a really decent, well thought out poster.
I think you’re misunderstanding my point. Clearly, the club is going through a rebuild. A top manager like Jose would not want to plan for 5 or 6 years from now - hence why he signed players like Zlatan, Mhikitaryan, Sanchez Matic etc...So since the good manager did not work out, you want to give time to a worse manager? Makes zero sense.
And Mourinho actually finished 2nd, and won stuff.
It’s precisely that “stupid transfer committee” that has enabled them to bring in players to fit a style and not just random players the current manager knows or likes. I believe most of the criticism and mockery was from the press mainly because they couldn’t understand the strategy of not giving a manager final say on transfers which is now widely acceptedI don’t think that’s true at all. Liverpool fans were constantly moaning about their owners until Klopp turned things round. We even heard loads of complaints about how their stupid transfer committee was making Klopp’s life impossible during his first season in charge. Then they start winning games and everything behind the scenes is perceived as a well oiled machine. The same thing would happen at United if/when we start winning a lot of matches.
My point will always be that our problems don't begin with the manager.Think you might have quoted the wrong person then. The guy I was referring to was making an entirely different point from all of this. In any case Poch had zero investment last year. An unbacked United manager is a backed Spurs manager. That's how much he has to deal with
