[DanNistelrooy]

He will never be a good CB, too weak in the air, becomes a liability really.
How about changing him to play in def mid role? Isn't it he started his career as a midfielder?

I think this is slightly harsh but I see where you're coming from.

I don't think he will ever be big / strong enough to be a physically dominant centre back which I think is important in the Premier League. He is nowhere near aggressive enough in his defending, happy to stand off and let strikers bring the ball down or get shots away.

When the game is played more on the floor and it's more about reading the game (like in Europe), he is a lot more comfortable because he can read the game well and is comfortable on with the ball at his feet.

Decent player but I don't see it long term with him to be honest.


Thinking about it, I'm pretty sure I have written very similar posts about Daley Blind in the past. Very similar players with similar weaknesses IMO.

 

[SaintMuppet]

I love the way everyone is an expert CB.

I’m betting half of you never even made it to semi-pro and here you all are being experts snd knowing all the right words and being able to size up fellow professionals and everything.

Slow down so I can take notes please

 

[DanNistelrooy]

I love the way everyone is an expert CB.

I’m betting half of you never even made it to semi-pro and here you all are being experts snd knowing all the right words and being able to size up fellow professionals and everything.

Slow down so I can take notes please

I've not seen anyone claiming to be a fountain of knowledge when it comes to playing centre half.

Just people saying it as it is when it comes to Lindelof, a talented defender when it comes to reading the game but weak in the physical aspect of defending.

(Which is a pretty important attribute, I'm sure "expert CBs" and casual football fans can agree on that!)

 

[ivaldo]

After a match I always check 5-8 newspapers to see their ratings of the players. When it comes to Lindelof Manchester EveningNews has always stood out. If all other papers give him a rating 6 or 7, they give 4-5. Always a few points lower than the rest.

Now they suggest to bring in Jones.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...ictor-lindelof-struggling-far-season-16860157

I read that article earlier today. They start by mentioning the header he lost, but then begrudgingly admit no one would stand much chance against that giant in the air. They then say it isn't the first time this is happened, and the only example they seemingly can think of is from 2 bleedin' years ago. It all looks a bit desperate.

 

[roonster09]

I love the way everyone is an expert CB.

I’m betting half of you never even made it to semi-pro and here you all are being experts snd knowing all the right words and being able to size up fellow professionals and everything.

Slow down so I can take notes please

So when you comment on Rashford/Pogba, you become expert striker/winger/CM? Or when you comment on Ole/Jose, you become expert coach?

If only experts can talk about players then we have to shut down forums and keep watching Sky for expert analysis by Sourness.

 

[SaintMuppet]

So when you comment on Rashford/Pogba, you become expert striker/winger/CM? Or when you comment on Ole/Jose, you become expert coach?

If only experts can talk about players then we have to shut down forums and keep watching Sky for expert analysis by Sourness.

Most people can give an opinion without trying to convince others they know what they are doing, others can’t. It was not necesssry to call them out directly as they know who they are...

‘My opinion is gospel’ can go feck itself.

Professional pundits are tired as they should know better but say stuff mostly for attention or to cause arguments.

Bring back Saint n Greavsie.......

 

[SaintMuppet]

Most people can give an opinion without trying to convince others they know what they are doing, others can’t. It was not necesssry to call them out directly as they know who they are...

‘My opinion is gospel’ can go feck itself.

Professional pundits are even worse as they should know better but say stuff mostly for attention or to cause arguments.

Bring back Saint n Greavsie.......

 

[roonster09]

Most people can give an opinion without trying to convince others they know what they are doing, others can’t. It was not necesssry to call them out directly as they know who they are...

‘My opinion is gospel’ can go feck itself.

Professional pundits are tired as they should know better but say stuff mostly for attention or to cause arguments.

Bring back Saint n Greavsie.......

Yeah, agree with this post. I don't mind people trying to convince that they know what they are doing but making it sound like what they said can't be challenged is just nonsense.

 

[Ekeke]

I love the way everyone is an expert CB.

I’m betting half of you never even made it to semi-pro and here you all are being experts snd knowing all the right words and being able to size up fellow professionals and everything.

Slow down so I can take notes please

Sure, here you go :

Make a good attempt to try and win a header, or if you cant win it at least make things uncomfortable for the player who is winning it. Put them off balance, hold your ground physically, make it look like you're going to win the ball so they second guess themselves. Etc. Everything all the other CBs do with the ball in the air, because only a couple of them win like 90% of headers. The vast majority of CBs need to know when they can and cant win the header and if they cant, defend the situation by making things as uncomfortable as possible for the attacker. The problem last week was he didnt look convincing in his attempt to try and win the ball. This week I think he got a small contact on it before the attacker turned it in. But if he timed his jump correctly he could have sent the ball in a different direction to straight at the attacker.

With the right timing he can head the ball the same direction it came from giving the attacker no chance.

Right now Lindelof would be a dream to play against for any attacker. Not fast, not strong, not aggressive and he makes it easy for you in an aerial duel. The only thing that doesn't play into your hands as an attacking player is that when you press him he'll be decent at keeping the ball and not handing it to you too often. Everytime your team have the ball though its on.

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

I love the way everyone is an expert CB.

I’m betting half of you never even made it to semi-pro and here you all are being experts snd knowing all the right words and being able to size up fellow professionals and everything.

Slow down so I can take notes please

What a hilarious post! Might as well close down the forum

 

[Fredo]

Lindelof cost us two games but to be fair to him, he deserves more time to mature the partnership between him and Maguire. We brought in a new CB and just pushed him directly to the lineup, now this doesn't negate the fact that Lindelof should have done better against Crystal Palace and Southampton but both players need time to adjust and understand each other. Of all the defenders we have, those 2 are the best CBs for our starting 11 at the moment.

 

[Wolff]

Sure, here you go :

Make a good attempt to try and win a header, or if you cant win it at least make things uncomfortable for the player who is winning it. Put them off balance, hold your ground physically, make it look like you're going to win the ball so they second guess themselves. Etc. Everything all the other CBs do with the ball in the air, because only a couple of them win like 90% of headers. The vast majority of CBs need to know when they can and cant win the header and if they cant, defend the situation by making things as uncomfortable as possible for the attacker. The problem last week was he didnt look convincing in his attempt to try and win the ball. This week I think he got a small contact on it before the attacker turned it in. But if he timed his jump correctly he could have sent the ball in a different direction to straight at the attacker.

With the right timing he can head the ball the same direction it came from giving the attacker no chance.

Right now Lindelof would be a dream to play against for any attacker. Not fast, not strong, not aggressive and he makes it easy for you in an aerial duel. The only thing that doesn't play into your hands as an attacking player is that when you press him he'll be decent at keeping the ball and not handing it too you too often. Everytime your team have the ball though its on.

That was a waste of time, wasn’t it? Both headers he lost he was not right positioned. That aside he is not attacking the ball and is not in balance. Against Palace the goal isn’t his fault. Maguire should fall of as second defender. Against Southampton he is wrongly positioned and jumps straight up with his back to the player winning the header. He stand no chance like that. My opinion he’s been looking a bit shaky and not very resolute so far. But when looking at where it is most important players gets time to form a relationship, center back is the one. New partnership, and given time they will be great!
The mistakes he is making can easily be corrected.

 

[Ekeke]

That was a waste of time, wasn’t it? Both headers he lost he was not right positioned. That aside he is not attacking the ball and is not in balance. Against Palace the goal isn’t his fault. Maguire should fall of as second defender. Against Southampton he is wrongly positioned and jumps straight up with his back to the player winning the header. He stand no chance like that. My opinion he’s been looking a bit shaky and not very resolute so far. But when looking at where it is most important players gets time to form a relationship, center back is the one. New partnership, and given time they will be great!
The mistakes he is making can easily be corrected.

Its a waste of time if you have an agenda and no reasonable discussion will ever change your mind. So yes, for you its a waste of time. For anyone else it was worth writing

 

[Wolff]

Its a waste of time if you have an agenda and no reasonable discussion will ever change your mind. So yes, for you its a waste of time. For anyone else it was worth writing

Think you misread that mate. I’ve only helped your post a tad in the right direction. And actually agree with several of your points. Waste of time surely, if you have read the rest of this thread.

 

[A-man]

Sure, here you go :

Make a good attempt to try and win a header, or if you cant win it at least make things uncomfortable for the player who is winning it. Put them off balance, hold your ground physically, make it look like you're going to win the ball so they second guess themselves. Etc. Everything all the other CBs do with the ball in the air, because only a couple of them win like 90% of headers. The vast majority of CBs need to know when they can and cant win the header and if they cant, defend the situation by making things as uncomfortable as possible for the attacker. The problem last week was he didnt look convincing in his attempt to try and win the ball. This week I think he got a small contact on it before the attacker turned it in. But if he timed his jump correctly he could have sent the ball in a different direction to straight at the attacker.
.

You make it sound like Vestergaard would not have scored against any other CB in the league. It is highly incorrect. About 17% of all goals in PL come from headers. That corresponds to more than 170 goals per season.

And to be fair: all other CB would cover when their partner goes up in the air.

 

[settembrini]

I don't understand how anyone can think the goal against Palace wasn't Lindelof's fault. It should have been such an easy situation for him to deal with. A long punt from the keeper that he can see all the way and his only competition is a winger who is 3/4 inches shorter and who is trying to head a ball forwards that is coming at him from behind. It was basically a perfect situation for a CB to win a header and he still lost it.

The goal against Southampton was also his fault but the error is nowhere near as bad.

 

[roonster09]

Blaming defenders just for a sake of it is bad, twisting everything to make sure some other defender gets the blame is even worse.

 

[Wolff]

I don't understand how anyone can think the goal against Palace wasn't Lindelof's fault. It should have been such an easy situation for him to deal with. A long punt from the keeper that he can see all the way and his only competition is a winger who is 3/4 inches shorter and who is trying to head a ball forwards that is coming at him from behind. It was basically a perfect situation for a CB to win a header and he still lost it.

The goal against Southampton was also his fault but the error is nowhere near as bad.

Becouse that is defender ABC. First and second defender duties. Lindelöf lost his header. But the goal came from Maguire not being where he should have been. It was his job to pick up that run, not Lindelöf.

 

[Cassidy]

Both the CBs were culpable for the goal not sure why there is an argument.

Lindelof should win the header and Maguire should have been on the cover

 

[settembrini]

Becouse that is defender ABC. First and second defender duties. Lindelöf lost his header. But the goal came from Maguire not being where he should have been. It was his job to pick up that run, not Lindelöf.

The Maguire was badly positioned argument does not excuse Lindelof for failing to win the header and actually makes Lindelof look worse if you think about it logically and aren't just using it as a reason to defend Lindelof.

I.e. If you think Maguire was out of position then you either think that Lindelof was completely unaware of where his CB partner was or he stupidly committed to an aerial duel knowing that if he lost there was zero cover and Palace's attacker would have a free run on goal. Either way Lindelof look worse.

 

[Wolff]

The Maguire was badly positioned argument does not excuse Lindelof for failing to win the header and actually makes Lindelof look worse if you think about it logically and aren't just using it as a reason to defend Lindelof.

I.e. If you think Maguire was out of position then you either think that Lindelof was completely unaware of where his CB partner was or he stupidly committed to an aerial duel knowing that if he lost there was zero cover and Palace's attacker would have a free run on goal. Either way Lindelof look worse.

I see you dont know much about defensive duties. They teach this to kids mate! first and second defender. Where to move and always take out depth to cover. He lost his head duel. Maybe he should have won it, but he lost. Are you saying he should`t have gone up to challenge? Well, people loose challenges. It happens to every player in every match. That is why you play a system and people have covering duties. What happens next is a run from midfield. It could be picked up by another midfielder, but it was Maguire who should pick that up. He wasn't there. It is not about what i think, it is how it is. But I'm sure once they settle, they will be a great pair of defenders.

 

[settembrini]

I see you dont know much about defensive duties. They teach this to kids mate! first and second defender. Where to move and always take out depth to cover. He lost his head duel. Maybe he should have won it, but he lost. Are you saying he should`t have gone up to challenge? Well, people loose challenges. It happens to every player in every match. That is why you play a system and people have covering duties. What happens next is a run from midfield. It could be picked up by another midfielder, but it was Maguire who should pick that up. He wasn't there. It is not about what i think, it is how it is. But I'm sure once they settle, they will be a great pair of defenders.

I get that in an ideal world Maguire should have been closer to Lindelof to cover. But in the game he was over to the left due to Shaw being injured and unable to run. I'm not saying that Maguire was blameless but at least there's mitigating circumstances for him. For Lindelof I don't see any excuse.

My view is that Lindelof should have known the position of his teammates and acted accordingly. With Maguire not being well placed then the safe option would have been to back off and not challenge. Let Schlupp win the header for free but be in a position to stop Ayew. Instead he commits which is also a valid option but once he made that decision he absolutely has to win the ball. He has all the advantages in terms of height and positioning but somehow loses the duel. It was such a weak attempt at a header and I can't really get behind the argument he's not at fault because no-one was around to cover up his poor play.

 

[SaintMuppet]

What a hilarious post! Might as well close down the forum

Nooooo!

Gotta keep the bs bouncing along.......

 

[A-man]

Lindelof just scored for Sweden

 

[Kamprad]

Lindelof just scored for Sweden

Didn’t the reserves end their training session yesterday with a 15 minute match? Can you put up a video on all the goals scored there while you’re at it.

 

[Bobski]

Good finish no matter the quality of the opponent, clean strike, technically sound.

 

[Robbie Boy]

@Ekeke Honestly one day you’ll get over Smalling getting fecked off to Roma. It’s like a bad break up for you right now, I get that. I mean, when a guy gets dumped they sometimes hate on girls for a while after. Now when you see another CB at United, all you think about is what could have been with Chris and I can tell you are genuinely hurt and that’s kind of sweet.

But listen, you’re not alone I’m here for you bro, I can offer emotional support.

 

[Ekeke]

@Ekeke Honestly one day you’ll get over Smalling getting fecked off to Roma. It’s like a bad break up for you right now, I get that. I mean, when a guy gets dumped they sometimes hate on girls for a while after. Now when you see another CB at United, all you think about is what could have been with Chris and I can tell you are genuinely hurt and that’s kind of sweet.

But listen, you’re not alone I’m here for you bro, I can offer emotional support.

I'm over it. Was over it the day it happened. That doesnt mean I need to rate another player that I don't rate and hasnt earned it. Maybe you could do some bad standup act to get over me having a different opinion to you.

 

[Ekeke]

Lindelof just scored for Sweden

Decent finish. Would be nice if he could get 2 or 3 of those this season since our CBs score so few other than Maguire

 

[Robbie Boy]

I'm over it. Was over it the day it happened. That doesnt mean I need to rate another player that I don't rate and hasnt earned it. Maybe you could do some bad standup act to get over me having a different opinion to you.

I might but I’m pretty busy tbh.

 

[Ekeke]

I might but I’m pretty busy tbh.

Must be why your attempt was so bad

 

[A-man]

Decent finish. Would be nice if he could get 2 or 3 of those this season since our CBs score so few other than Maguire

It would be nice, but I doubt it, it will only be Maguire who moves up for corners and freekicks. Maybe both if a goal is needed in the last minute. Last season both Smalling and Lindelof moved up for corners quite often, but it cost at least two goals when Shaw was left alone to defend the counter attack.

I know he took some freekicks in Portugal, has a decent shot.

 

[ivaldo]

Didn’t the reserves end their training session yesterday with a 15 minute match? Can you put up a video on all the goals scored there while you’re at it.

Too right. It's an embarrassment to post goals scored by a player in their player thread.

 

[DWelbz19]

Lindeløf lost two duels, but he hasn´t done any mistakes. Being small is not a mistake.

Lindeløf should play in Spain. A chock move in January. Lindeløf to Barcelona and Koulibaly to United. I´d take that.

Barcelona have 3 superior CBs. Why would they want him?

 

[Cassidy]

Barcelona have 3 superior CBs. Why would they want him?

Leglent isn't superior

 

[Ekeke]

Leglent isn't superior

He's a better defender and is better in the air

 

[Zoo]

Leglent isn't superior

This.

 

[Cassidy]

He's a better defender and is better in the air

Opinions I guess, certainly is better in the air, but he is a suspect defender I see not much difference between the two

 

[romufc]

Opinions I guess, certainly is better in the air, but he is a suspect defender I see not much difference between the two

He's a better defender and is better in the air

How many times have you watched Lenglet play?

 

[Cassidy]

How many times have you watched Lenglet play?

Why do you ask?
Quite a bit anyway, I watch La Liga games quite often