Mindhunter
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Our managerial position has become like the Defense Against the Dart Arts position at Hogwarts. The role is jinxed by You Know Who.
Actually thats the best way of building a side you should have a top target for the position then second and maybe even a third but obviously you will be trying to sign the top target to begin. Sure there is plenty of strikers we could have even got Mario Balotelli on free if we wanted but why buy players just fill up a squad especially at a club like Man United.I do not buy that there is not a single striker we couldn't sign. If for example we finish outside of the top 4 and then we go into the summer saying we are only going to sign Sancho for the RW and no one else will do, it is an incredibly flawed way of building a side.
Making these mistakes with another (failed) manager's squad. If Ole were in Mourinho's position we both know you wouldn't be calling for his sacking. So it's reasonable to assume you are judging them by different standards simply because of their CV, which is frankly a bizarre hiring strategy given the previous two managers. I sure hope you aren't in charge of hiring decisions at whatever company you work for.I already spoke about it. It can be said that the football at the start was unsustainable for a whole season, certainly with the players and squad we have. The injuries is an indication of that. Beyond that if you have an understanding of football, you know that to press intensely you are going to have to keep the ball better when you win it back. I have said this since he arrived at the club. I have not ignored what happened.
I am not cherry picking. I am telling you what I think of him both in his good and bad run. Are people surprised that a rookie is making naive mistakes?
You also have to consider that Sancho might not want to join the club if we are finishing outside the top 4. Same goes for other top players. If City sit outside the top 4 and they cant get Sancho they would sign someone else.Actually thats the best way of building a side you should have a top target for the position then second and maybe even a third but obviously you will be trying to sign the top target to begin. Sure there is plenty of strikers we could have even got Mario Balotelli on free if we wanted but why buy players just fill up a squad especially at a club like Man United.
Quality over quantity and if Jadon Sancho is our first choice RW target next season and Ole feels theirs no other player that can play RW how he wants then its Sancho or nobody. The strongest squad in terms of quality and depth is Man City. Man City when bankrolled originally signed loads of players but not many top quality players but over time and especially under Guordiola he has his top targets and City sign them. So instead of a bench full of players that were signed to sit on the bench they bought quality players that fit their style. Even Citys second 11 would probably beat us.
But you seem to be missing the fact that 'lowering standards' is only there in the mind of a fan that hasn't come to terms with the possibility that our team might not even be strong enough to compete for fourth. You can't be so certain that it is, and by admitting to that you will also surely see that injuries will hit a team like that a lot harder than better teams in infinitely better positions. This isn't lowering standards, it is looking at whats in front of you and have a logical, unbiased assessment. You should try it with regards to topics concerning Mourinho.What? There is no excuse for finishing 7th. I don't care how you want to spin it with injuries or players not performing. This is what OP means by lowering standards.
And those very same people refuse to accept the fact that the Glazers keep him and Ed around because the 2 factors are connected. Ole is doing an awful job but is also a yes man. Unfortunately, he is a yes man who the fans like, and we live in a society where people diagnose a problem by looking at the surface rather than looking beneath it.Because he is a legend.
Because he smiles a lot.
Because he loves Fergie.
Because he is not Mourinho.
Because all of sudden we have shit team
Because he is master of empty and nice talk with which he got fans on his side. Fans think that 6th place is success. 6th place!! Being better than Wolves and Everton is our goal. We play attacking football fans say. Ole said it so it is true.
Because he uses his free day to watch u21 squad.
And the last: he knows the club
And the fun part is this; the thing in which all Caf is on the same side is that Glazers and Ed are doing bad job in this club. But yet, it is ok to keep manager who has 3 wins in 16 games
You are posting this and wonder why I defended Jose when we finished 2nd. Jose looked at the team and said 2nd is a very good finish. People didn't like that. Now you want to offer the idea that the team might not be good enough to finish 4th and there is a possible excuse for us to finish 7th. I'll see myself out.But you seem to be missing the fact that 'lowering standards' is only there in the mind of a fan that hasn't come to terms with the possibility that our team might not even be strong enough to compete for fourth. You can't be so certain that it is, and by admitting to that you will also surely see that injuries will hit a team like that a lot harder than better teams in infinitely better positions. This isn't lowering standards, it is looking at whats in front of you and have a logical, unbiased assessment. You should try it with regards to topics concerning Mourinho.
Whether we are "doing it for Ole" or not doesn't really matter as we're just in that position now. There is no way to change that, removing Ole doesn't remove the fact we might not be good enough for top 4 after fecking up our last 4 transfer windows. It is not only this last window where we couldn't get replacements in. Jones is backup CB still and Mata hangs around still. McTominay is our most trusted midfielder next to Pogba. I love McTominaytor, but that is way underneath my expectations for this club. Honestly, I don't expect anything from this season in terms of results. My only hope is that we use this time to correct our wrongs and not make the same mistakes twice. Ole do actually understand this, that is about the only thing that is certain about him for now. If he sucks the life out of this team and fail to develop our youngsters into the team then he'll get the sack. No need to worry about that.
I have feelings towards that too, not dissimilar to yours but you clearly is carrying this with you in an unhealthy way. Why let old perspectives form new opinions? Never understood that.You are posting this and wonder why I defended Jose when we finished 2nd. Jose looked at the team and said 2nd is a very good finish. People didn't like that. Now you want to offer the idea that the team might not be good enough to finish 4th and there is a possible excuse for us to finish 7th. I'll see myself out.
Alright so lets say Sancho is our first choice we try to sign him and he stays at Dortmund, the RW position at Utd does need an upgrade and so if theres a player our club feels fits the RW profile we're looking for then im sure they would go and buy the 2nd choice. But your saying pretty much just buy anyone thats just silly really. Plus if Sancho was the only player Ole felt would be an improvement for the RW position then its his decision. Thats why City wouldnt sign Sancho because they bought quality players that were the top targets at the time in Sterling and Mahrez. Is it starting to make sense to you now.You also have to consider that Sancho might not want to join the club if we are finishing outside the top 4. Same goes for other top players. If City sit outside the top 4 and they cant get Sancho they would sign someone else.
It's the manager's job to build a system that gets the best out of what he has or if he wants to play his way then he should dispose what's not required. If he comes out later and lays out excuses like 'xyz player is not suitable for the system' then he shouldn't have said in the press saying he is happy and blah blah blah.Who is responsible for Lingard not improving? I blame instagram personally.
I never said to just buy anyone. You cant rely on Sancho signing for you when you cant even get into the top 4 is my point. Without Sancho this season we can get top 4 and then we can move.Alright so lets say Sancho is our first choice we try to sign him and he stays at Dortmund, the RW position at Utd does need an upgrade and so if theres a player our club feels fits the RW profile we're looking for then im sure they would go and buy the 2nd choice. But your saying pretty much just buy anyone thats just silly really. Plus if Sancho was the only player Ole felt would be an improvement for the RW position then its his decision. Thats why City wouldnt sign Sancho because they bought quality players that were the top targets at the time in Sterling and Mahrez. Is it starting to make sense to you now.
Sorry but I feel you need to slow down and consider your answers more carefully instead of jumping from post to post with rushed, two sentence answers that just dont really make sense
There was a poster on here which said that he must be a Liverpool fan, I’m convinced that must be true. He has to be a Liverpool spy. Ole form warrants sacking but this club won’t do anything unless top 4 is mathematically over.I've said many times, Ed Woodward should be in possession of a fecking medal for the job he's done in forcing the fans to accept mediocrity. He's managed to slowly but steadily erode any form of expectation or protest among our fanbase, and he's done such a good job of it that the majority of fans are expecting us to struggle to finish SIXTH for the 2019/20. Sixth.
It's an incredible job to be honest. I have to take my hat off to him, the bloke is an absolute genius when it comes to his job.
This.It’s part of the culture at Watford to do that, I personally don’t like it but if the coaches that come in are under no illusion as to how things are going to pan out and are still keen on the role then fair do’s.
I’m not sure Ole is going to take United back to the top, but the question that has to be asked is who do we want as United manager? There isn’t an obvious choice out there, there isn’t a top manager available/who wants the job. There is still some good work being done even though results haven’t been great, the players we have bought in have been fine additions, we are trying to play a better style of football. It’s important that if there is a new manager then they can take the existing framework and move it forwards instead of ripping it up.
Hey so you see the last sentence on my previous post ya so your last reply is the exact reason I said that. This is a forum for discussion and giving opinions and trying to improve the quality of the posts and replies benefits everyone. So sit back from the computer, relax, take a deep breath and for your next post try to make sense of your reply ok. Just trying to help man.I never said to just buy anyone. You cant rely on Sancho signing for you when you cant even get into the top 4 is my point. Without Sancho this season we can get top 4 and then we can move.
I know you finally made sense.The irony.
Yeah, people ignore how big the squad was, wage bill was. Clear out was needed, shame we didn't replace them but I don't mind taking short term hit. We have freed up places, we still have lot of work in offloading deadwood but this is just a start. Hopefully we add couple of players in Jan.I think a big reason that Moyes, LVG and Mourinho all struggled with the job was all of them inherited squads that were full of players that either werent good enough or players that suited the previous manager.
I feel that the clearout job done this summer has been done well and finally moved on alot of the deadwood that has been there far too long. It leaves Ole with a lot more freedom to build a squad of players that fit the profile of player hes looking for. It reminds me of the slump we had between 2004-2006 when Ferguson was rebuilding the squad and a young Ronaldo and Rooney being trusted to lead the next squad.
Yes. Yes they are.Wow, the mentalists are out in full force in this thread.
Yes. I was being a bit disingenuous regarding the instagram comment. My point there was just that some of the players aren't of the quality expected, so like you said for a manager to rely on them there is a risk.. and if they fail him there will have to be consequences. That would mostly be the whole point of this season if I'm to stay positive about something. If the system in it self isn't improving any players, then it becomes a much easier matter. Meaning Ole gets the sack.It's the manager's job to build a system that gets the best out of what he has or if he wants to play his way then he should dispose what's not required. If he comes out later and lays out excuses like 'xyz player is not suitable for the system' then he shouldn't have said in the press saying he is happy and blah blah blah.
Look at Poch. He didn't throw a fit like Jose but kept reminding the board that he needed new players.
Re. Lingard, there's more to it than Instagram. The club settling for mediocrity is one of them. Ole and the England manager having hard-ons for headless chickens is another.
Exactly and it always delayed signings they wanted to get done early. I'd say that wage bill is looking alot better after the recent transfer window.Yeah, people ignore how big the squad was, wage bill was. Clear out was needed, shame we didn't replace them but I don't mind taking short term hit. We have freed up places, we still have lot of work in offloading deadwood but this is just a start. Hopefully we add couple of players in Jan.
Apologies I rarely get dragged into pointless arguments like that but he was kind of asking for it if you check his previous comments. Still would rather not be considered a mentalistYes. Yes they are.
We don't know that, Ole won't cry in the media like Mourinho did. I personally believe that Ole isn't happy with this window at all. The squad is extremely thin in quality. We pretty much need every player to hit form because we have virtually nothing on the bench. Just look at the amount of players we offloaded, whatever we think of them, they were players that featured a lot of games just a season ago. Many of which weren't even replaced. This season will be risky for Ole, there is no guarantee some key players will suddenly hit top 4 form when the previous seasons tell us otherwise.Ole will be on a knife edge if we lose a few more games in succession.
I love him to bits but we seem to be keeping him on the false belief he’s the only manager out there playing on the front front with pressing.
Unfortunately he didn’t ask for players in the midfield to actually play a dominating game hence the tactics break down every time teams sit back.
I want to see United reach the best possible level with the tools we have available.
Unfortaunely for Ole he’s not one of our best tools. One of the weaker parts of our setup for sure. Pogba is our best tool for success atm on the pitch and he’s not using him right at all.
Our manager needs to take responsibility for that.
Ya its not good enough really for a top club and worst part of the rebuild is that we have been trying to sell the same players for years and somehow the likes of Darmian(until recently), Rojo and Jones are still at the club even though it is clear that they arent good enough.So in the midst of a rebuild after allowing him to sell off a lot of players the answer is to go back to the beginning with yet another manager and another set of ideas?
How do people expect a rebuild to occur when the manager and the ideas constantly change?
Personally I think they intended to prioritise offloading players and it looks like they are planning for the long term. We could have easily brought more players and splashed the cash but i feel the signings we did make were players that were the clubs first choice in their role. So while we could have made more signings I think its better to build slowly and with the right players and especially if manage to get back into the champions league which would give us more appeal than now. Its a risk but its trying something different.We don't know that, Ole won't cry in the media like Mourinho did. I personally believe that Ole isn't happy with this window at all. The squad is extremely thin in quality. We pretty much need every player to hit form because we have virtually nothing on the bench. Just look at the amount of players we offloaded, whatever we think of them, they were players that featured a lot of games just a season ago. Many of which weren't even replaced. This season will be risky for Ole, there is no guarantee some key players will suddenly hit top 4 form when the previous seasons tell us otherwise.
This all works if Ole is given time and patience. I have zero faith that Woodward will let Ole stay if we finish 6th, 7th which isn't inconceivable looking at our squad. Hope I'm wrong.Personally I think they intended to prioritise offloading players and it looks like they are planning for the long term. We could have easily brought more players and splashed the cash but i feel the signings we did make were players that were the clubs first choice in their role. So while we could have made more signings I think its better to build slowly and with the right players and especially if manage to get back into the champions league which would give us more appeal than now. Its a risk but its trying something different.
True and especially if a manager like Pochettino becomes available I think they would have a tough decision to make even if he makes top 4.This all works if Ole is given time and patience. I have zero faith that Woodward will let Ole stay if we finish 6th, 7th which isn't inconceivable looking at our squad. Hope I'm wrong.
Same nonsense, different thread.Because apparently if you are an ex player who happens to be smiling all the time, you get a free pass.
If the decision is made to appoint Pochettino it should be before the next summer window. Two different coaches with different visions, no point letting one coach rebuild the squad according to his vision to then switch.True and especially if a manager like Pochettino becomes available I think they would have a tough decision to make even if he makes top 4.
So your saying to give up on this great club that has given memories that we will always have in the good times and the bad, we were lucky to have alot of good times and now because we're not winning the league every season doesn't mean we should give up. Thats not what a real fan of any football club would even consider for a second. You get behind the club, believe we will be back and better than ever because anything can happen in this beautiful gameWe are a spent force as a club, accept it. It's easier that way.
I've done that, now I'm relaxed as Kim jong un during an election.We are a spent force as a club, accept it. It's easier that way.