Marcus Rashford vs Tammy Abraham

[sglowrider]

Rashford has a better overall skillset but Abraham is the more useful player. Jack of all trades etc etc

This.

Rashford himself said that he doesn't see himself as a 9. He imagines himself part of an interchangeable front line.

 

[haram]

Well Rashford is not a number 9 for starters.

 

[Shiva87]

People underrate Ronaldo initial seasons. In 2005 he contributed 19 goals and assist which matches Martial best season. All while playing RW in a 4-4-2. In 06 he bust out 21 goals and assists. 43 goals and assists in 2007 whilst playing wing forward.

No, I'm not underrating Ronaldo. I remember that time like yesterday. Rashford had 16 goals and assists last season, which is similar at the same age. He isn't Ronaldo level and therefore his peak may not be 42 goals a season, but he can definitely kick on from here and get 20 goals this season.

Don't see how fans can't get behind him for that. He either needs to be Ronaldo or he is not good enough.

 

[tenpoless]

When Rashford first came into the scene He looked like a natural striker and clinical. He just couldn't stop scoring and his movements around the box was very good. But then it all changed when He started to over complicate his plays, knowing He can dribble more, flicks more.

We haven't seen enough of Tammy to know if He's going to be hit with the same syndrome. The difference between a talent like Rashford and a world class talent like Mbappe is that Mbappe is much more mature with his decision making at a young age and even when He decides to dribble through opponents, He does it for a purpose and not for a show.

Judge Tammy properly by the end of season.

 

[HowieC]

When Rashford first came into the scene He looked like a natural striker and clinical. He just couldn't stop scoring and his movements around the box was very good. But then it all changed when He started to over complicate his plays, knowing He can dribble more, flicks more.

We haven't seen enough of Tammy to know if He's going to be hit with the same syndrome. The difference between a talent like Rashford and a world class talent like Mbappe is that Mbappe is much more mature with his decision making at a young age and even when He decides to dribble through opponents, He does it for a purpose and not for a show.

Judge Tammy properly by the end of season.

The problem is Rashford is not even able to really dribble through opponents, unless he is in acres of space and can knock it past them.

I agree with you, with his lack of tight ball manipulation skills, combined with his speed and size he really should be a striker. He showed he had the off the ball movement when he first came on the scene. He lacks heading ability and hold-up play but perhaps these can be learnt.

People say he is an inside forward but were clamouring for him to replace lukaku last season and when he was mediocre as a striker, are now saying he should be a wing forward.

He absolutely lacks the ball control, passing and decision making of other wing forwards like his age contemporaries : Mbappe (20 yrs), Sancho (19 yrs), Sterling (when he was 21) are a galaxy ahead of him in terms of ability to quickly control a ball and shift it into position for either a quick sharp pass or to take on an opponent in a crowded box.

He is also overshadowed by James and Martial in this regard.

I don't see innate ball manipulation ability getting better with age, IMO if he doesn't get better with movement, heading and hold-up play, we should shop him off to whoever would buy to get his wages off the bill.

 

[JJ12]

Rashford is a slightly better welbeck.

Abraham looking good though and just scored again.

Dreadful opinion.

 

[Stacks]

No, I'm not underrating Ronaldo. I remember that time like yesterday. Rashford had 16 goals and assists last season, which is similar at the same age. He isn't Ronaldo level and therefore his peak may not be 42 goals a season, but he can definitely kick on from here and get 20 goals this season.

Don't see how fans can't get behind him for that. He either needs to be Ronaldo or he is not good enough.

I am behind him. I am just confused by the Ronaldo comparisons. Ronaldo played wide in a 442 also which is considerably different to playing wide forward. Rashford doesn't need to be Ronaldo. I would be happy even if he was a Pedro as he is an academy graduate and didn't cost anything

 

[Andycoleno9]

Well Rashford is not a number 9 for starters.

This.

 

[Shiva87]

I am behind him. I am just confused by the Ronaldo comparisons. Ronaldo played wide in a 442 also which is considerably different to playing wide forward. Rashford doesn't need to be Ronaldo. I would be happy even if he was a Pedro as he is an academy graduate and didn't cost anything

Don't think Ronaldo really played in a true 4-4-2. He was always an inside forward, and would float around wherever he felt like. His tactical indiscipline was the reason we lost a number of games in his early seasons. Gary Neville still talks about that all the time. The reason why they all got comfortable with it eventually is because he would win you games with his quality and skill, and the rest of team started carrying him defensively.

Giggs (as the other winger) was tactically much more disciplined. I honestly believe that its the quality of Ronaldo and Messi combined (in that inside forward position) which changed the way managers want their forwards to attack. Before 2004-05, such players were not expected to provide a primary goal threat, and moving inside into the spaces of the attacking / box to box midfielder was generally coached out of you. They were expected to create chances/ make assists. With the Ronaldo/ Messi era - we have seen this much more. Robben, Ribery, Hazard, Pedro etc.

If I'm not wrong, the only ones who effectively played like this before 2003-04 were Barcelona (with Ronaldinho, Rivaldo, and Henry).

 

[Tony247]

Well Rashford is not a number 9 for starters.

Correct he isn't. Problem is not what he is 'not' but people are finding difficult to get what he 'is'. Not sure even he himself knows what is his position. And there goes the comparison between him and Tammy. At least TA has grown into a specialized palyer.

 

[filibuster]

To compare Rashford and Abraham position-wise is futile, as lots of you mentioned they are different players. BUT, a comparison is warranted in terms of attacking efficiency, or threat, as they both play in attack. The idea that the striker outscores the inside forward is outdated, as in modern football both positions share the same amount of responsibility for goals and assists.

In PL last season Mane and Salah scored 22 goals and Aubameyang and Aguero 22 and 21 respectively. In La Liga it was always Messi and Ronaldo the top scorers each season. In France Mbappe and Pepe were top scorers and maybe even Neymar would be top 3 if he was not injured for most of the season. In Bundesliga and Italy, the strikers generally have more goals, but the wingers are very close to them in terms of output.

And that is only goals, if you take assists into account you will see that in modern football wingers have even more responsibility for the attacking potential of a team.

Now Abraham showed what he can do when in form. Is he world-class now? No! Can he be considered world-class in the future if he produces only half of his current goal/minute output? Absolutely yes! 7 goals in 5 games are too much for Aguero as well. Only time will tell what is Abraham's ceiling.

Rashford, on the other hand, is not breaking through now, he is an established player at a big team with 3.5 full seasons under his belt, playing in PL, CL and in world cups. Is he world-class? No! Has he the potential to become one? Maybe, but after 3.5 full seasons, you can kind of see the limitations he has. He is a good player, but not the guy to take United to the world-class level where it once was.

 

[SportingCP96]

Dreadful opinion.

How do you figure?

I don't see Rashford being a starter for a United team that is a title contender and if you do then expect United to not be contending any time soon. At best he can be a bench player (As of right now) If I am proven wrong down the line then so be it but I don't see any outstanding qualities in him besides his pace and powerful shot. Nothing that would make you think "this kid is going to be special". Adnan Januzaj had a bunch of hype as well and he turned out to be wank.

Now a kid I would like to see being given a fair shot is Angel Gomes especially since the midfield is very weak and he looks to maybe be a decent player. I also like Greenwood more than I did Rashford when he was coming through but at 17 it Is still to early to tale any conclusions.

 

[SportingCP96]

To compare Rashford and Abraham position-wise is futile, as lots of you mentioned they are different players. BUT, a comparison is warranted in terms of attacking efficiency, or threat, as they both play in attack. The idea that the striker outscores the inside forward is outdated, as in modern football both positions share the same amount of responsibility for goals and assists.

In PL last season Mane and Salah scored 22 goals and Aubameyang and Aguero 22 and 21 respectively. In La Liga it was always Messi and Ronaldo the top scorers each season. In France Mbappe and Pepe were top scorers and maybe even Neymar would be top 3 if he was not injured for most of the season. In Bundesliga and Italy, the strikers generally have more goals, but the wingers are very close to them in terms of output.

And that is only goals, if you take assists into account you will see that in modern football wingers have even more responsibility for the attacking potential of a team.

Now Abraham showed what he can do when in form. Is he world-class now? No! Can he be considered world-class in the future if he produces only half of his current goal/minute output? Absolutely yes! 7 goals in 5 games are too much for Aguero as well. Only time will tell what is Abraham's ceiling.

Rashford, on the other hand, is not breaking through now, he is an established player at a big team with 3.5 full seasons under his belt, playing in PL, CL and in world cups. Is he world-class? No! Has he the potential to become one? Maybe, but after 3.5 full seasons, you can kind of see the limitations he has. He is a good player, but not the guy to take United to the world-class level where it once was.

This 100%. Rashford wont ever ne a guy that elevates your team he simply is not good enough. Could be a bench player for a contender maybe but thats it. What ever way you try to defend it it does not look convincing because he does not look a world beater as a Striker OR a winger especially, not a winger. I dont think he can be a loan striker in a team or lead a line BUT in a 2 striker formation he would potentially have a better output.

As for Tammy I haven't seen enough of him to make a legitimate opinion but what I will say is in his first season in the PL he is on route to passing Rashfords best PL total with only 1 season under his belt.

 

[roonster09]

This 100%. Rashford wont ever ne a guy that elevates your team he simply is not good enough. Could be a bench player for a contender maybe but thats it. What ever way you try to defend it it does not look convincing because he does not look a world beater as a Striker OR a winger especially, not a winger. I dont think he can be a loan striker in a team or lead a line BUT in a 2 striker formation he would potentially have a better output.

As for Tammy I haven't seen enough of him to make a legitimate opinion but what I will say is in his first season in the PL he is on route to passing Rashfords best PL total with only 1 season under his belt.

Better to check facts and how many goals he scored in first PL season.

 

[Virgil]

To compare Rashford and Abraham position-wise is futile, as lots of you mentioned they are different players. BUT, a comparison is warranted in terms of attacking efficiency, or threat, as they both play in attack. The idea that the striker outscores the inside forward is outdated, as in modern football both positions share the same amount of responsibility for goals and assists.

In PL last season Mane and Salah scored 22 goals and Aubameyang and Aguero 22 and 21 respectively. In La Liga it was always Messi and Ronaldo the top scorers each season. In France Mbappe and Pepe were top scorers and maybe even Neymar would be top 3 if he was not injured for most of the season. In Bundesliga and Italy, the strikers generally have more goals, but the wingers are very close to them in terms of output.

And that is only goals, if you take assists into account you will see that in modern football wingers have even more responsibility for the attacking potential of a team.

Now Abraham showed what he can do when in form. Is he world-class now? No! Can he be considered world-class in the future if he produces only half of his current goal/minute output? Absolutely yes! 7 goals in 5 games are too much for Aguero as well. Only time will tell what is Abraham's ceiling.

Rashford, on the other hand, is not breaking through now, he is an established player at a big team with 3.5 full seasons under his belt, playing in PL, CL and in world cups. Is he world-class? No! Has he the potential to become one? Maybe, but after 3.5 full seasons, you can kind of see the limitations he has. He is a good player, but not the guy to take United to the world-class level where it once was.

Whilst the argument seems persuasive I reckon its far too early to make any sort of judgement on either player. Who knows. Its all guesswork. Abraham could end up being a 'flash in the pan' There have been many of those in the past. Players who burst onto the scene only with a bang only to disappear with a whimper. Abrahams arrival on the scene at Chelsea has echos of Rashfords at OT. A player who was going to set the world alight. Not happened yet but thats not to say it will not. After all someone only a few miles down the road at City seems to have achieved it. Was not that many years ago when I for one thought that Sterling was over-rated. Now I wish he were a Utd player. At the same age Sterling was as inconsistent as Rashford is now.

So who knows? You pays your money and you makes your choice.

 

[romufc]

In PL last season Mane and Salah scored 22 goals and Aubameyang and Aguero 22 and 21 respectively. In La Liga it was always Messi and Ronaldo the top scorers each season. In France Mbappe and Pepe were top scorers and maybe even Neymar would be top 3 if he was not injured for most of the season. In Bundesliga and Italy, the strikers generally have more goals, but the wingers are very close to them in terms of output.

Well, if you are comparing Rashford to Salah, Mane, Mbappe, Ronaldo, Messi and the like, you think Rashford is world class?

Secondly, it also depends on the system, Liverpool get those goals because their ST is a false 9 which lets the Wingers to overlap in a team that scores buckets of goals.

You cannot use Tammy as a barometer of how good Rashford is and then when it comes to inside forward compare him to world class strikers.

This is just using an argument to fuel your agenda.

 

[roonster09]

To compare Rashford and Abraham position-wise is futile, as lots of you mentioned they are different players. BUT, a comparison is warranted in terms of attacking efficiency, or threat, as they both play in attack. The idea that the striker outscores the inside forward is outdated, as in modern football both positions share the same amount of responsibility for goals and assists.

In PL last season Mane and Salah scored 22 goals and Aubameyang and Aguero 22 and 21 respectively. In La Liga it was always Messi and Ronaldo the top scorers each season. In France Mbappe and Pepe were top scorers and maybe even Neymar would be top 3 if he was not injured for most of the season. In Bundesliga and Italy, the strikers generally have more goals, but the wingers are very close to them in terms of output.

And that is only goals, if you take assists into account you will see that in modern football wingers have even more responsibility for the attacking potential of a team.

Now Abraham showed what he can do when in form. Is he world-class now? No! Can he be considered world-class in the future if he produces only half of his current goal/minute output? Absolutely yes! 7 goals in 5 games are too much for Aguero as well. Only time will tell what is Abraham's ceiling.

Rashford, on the other hand, is not breaking through now, he is an established player at a big team with 3.5 full seasons under his belt, playing in PL, CL and in world cups. Is he world-class? No! Has he the potential to become one? Maybe, but after 3.5 full seasons, you can kind of see the limitations he has. He is a good player, but not the guy to take United to the world-class level where it once was.

You made few good points but you have just taken it to extremes, just because Ronaldo, Salah, Mane scored more goals doesn't mean CF outscoring wide players is outdated, not sure why you mentioned Messi as he isn't wide player.

Do you think Lukaku was better attacker than Hazard? Lukaku scored 113 goals and 34 assists in 244 games, Hazard scored 85 goals and 54 assists in 245 games. It's easy to give many more examples like this.

Also people going on and on about Rashford's best goal scoring season when he was playing as winger and played around 50% of total mins. Since his debut, converting his mins into games (total mins divided by 90) he played 9, 19, 20, 26 games and most games as winger.

Also roles players like Ronaldo, Salah plays is different from the one Rashford played. We weren't attacking team, we were defensive team and were so poor that even Zabaleta commented on how bad he felt for Martial when all he did was to track the full backs.

Rashford has played 3.5 seasons, mostly as a squad player and this is not Tammy Abraham's breakthrough season. He has already played full season in PL, scoring 5 goals and then 2 full seasons in Championship.

It's too early and silly to make predictions on whether player can take team to next level, anyways that's a silly concept. Unless player is once in a generation player, they won't take the team to next level alone. You need better teammates, coaches to take the team to next level.

 

[roonster09]

This 100%. Rashford wont ever ne a guy that elevates your team he simply is not good enough. Could be a bench player for a contender maybe but thats it. What ever way you try to defend it it does not look convincing because he does not look a world beater as a Striker OR a winger especially, not a winger. I dont think he can be a loan striker in a team or lead a line BUT in a 2 striker formation he would potentially have a better output.

As for Tammy I haven't seen enough of him to make a legitimate opinion but what I will say is in his first season in the PL he is on route to passing Rashfords best PL total with only 1 season under his belt.

For a poster who is such a massive fan of Bruno Fernandes, it's silly to make definitive statements on players who is just 21.What was Bruno's achievements when he was at Rashford's age?

 

[SportingCP96]

Better to check facts and how many goals he scored in first PL season.

Most league goals he ever scored was 10..... Tammy is already at 7.

 

[roonster09]

Most league goals he ever scored was 10..... Tammy is already at 7.

Tammy's first season in PL, he scored 5 league goals.

 

[Cassidy]

Tammy's first season in PL, he scored 5 league goals.

Playing for Swansea. Context is important their top scorer in the league had 7 goals. Rashford scored 7 that season also... Rashford obviously wasn't playing as a striker though.

Would Rashford have been playing PL football for Chelsea in 17/18 or even 16/17?

 

[SportingCP96]

For a poster who is such a massive fan of Bruno Fernandes, it's silly to make definitive statements on players who is just 21.What was Bruno's achievements when he was at Rashford's age?

Hence why I said “as of right now” both players also play two completely different positions and roles right now. With Bruno we don’t know what he will be like at a EPL level unlike rashford which we do know (as of now) and it is not much. Can he prove me wrong? Sure but as of right now he looks like he will end up at an Everton then a title contender.

 

[roonster09]

Playing for Swansea. Context is important their top scorer in the league had 7 goals. Rashford scored 7 that season also... Rashford obviously wasn't playing as a striker though.

Yeah, you gave the context too.

I asked this question before, so can we say Lukaku was better attacker than Hazard as he scored more goals + assists than Hazard? I mean it doesn't matter if the player plays as CF or wide attacker, they should be scoring goals itseems.

 

[SportingCP96]

Tammy's first season in PL, he scored 5 league goals.

Rashford only scored 2 more goals in a team which creates a lot more chances then fecking Swansea.

 

[roonster09]

Hence why I said “as of right now” both players also play two completely different positions and roles right now. With Bruno we don’t know what he will be like at a EPL level unlike rashford which we do know (as of now) and it is not much. Can he prove me wrong? Sure but as of right now he looks like he will end up at an Everton then a title contender.

No, you didn't say as of right now, you said he won't be good enough ever to elevate the team.

This 100%. Rashford wont ever ne a guy that elevates your team he simply is not good enough.

At Rashford's age, Bruno didn't do much in Serie A, so we shouldn't be expecting much from him anyways.

 

[FutbolFan]

As a Chelsea fan, I think its too early to judge Tammy. Once this purple patch is done, he will be tested if he can come back from lean spells and playing 3 90 min games a week. Top strikers can play at 75% and still score when the moment arrives. Lamps has Tammy running entire matches, the guy is about to be drained at some point. Hopefully, Lamps rotates a bit.

Rashford is ahead atm in my opinion.

 

[roonster09]

Rashford only scored 2 more goals in a team which creates a lot more chances then fecking Swansea.

And Hazard scored less goals for Chelsea than Lukaku did for West Brom. So what?

CF in most cases will outscore wingers. Just because Ronaldo, Salah scores shit loads doesn't means its the normal scenario.

 

[SportingCP96]

No, you didn't say as of right now, you said he won't be good enough ever to elevate the team.



At Rashford's age, Bruno didn't do much in Serie A, so we shouldn't be expecting much from him anyways.

Look at my post before that one and I said “as of right now” in parenthesis.

Secondly at 21 Bruno had over 100 game in seria A and he performed at a good level. Talent is evident when comparing players for example

Felix has not even a full year under his belt and has only truly played in the Portuguese league where as rashford has played a few years of EPL. If you could have Felix sent in a bow tie to United would choose him over rashford?

Feck leagues none of that based on talent alone I simply do not think rashford will be a starter in a title contender.

 

[SportingCP96]

And Hazard scored less goals for Chelsea than Lukaku did for West Brom. So what?

CF in most cases will outscore wingers. Just because Ronaldo, Salah scores shit loads doesn't means its the normal scenario.

Since you see rashford as a winger you think he can be a top class winger because I don’t.

 

[roonster09]

Look at my post before that one and I said “as of right now” in parenthesis.

Secondly at 21 Bruno had over 100 game in seria A and he performed at a good level. Talent is evident when comparing players for example

Felix has not even a full year under his belt and has only truly played in the Portuguese league where as rashford has played a few years of EPL. If you could have Felix sent in a bow tie to United would choose him over rashford?

Feck leagues none of that based on talent alone I simply do not think rashford will be a starter in a title contender.

Too defensive when I didn't even talk about quality of leagues.

So which is it then, in 1 post you said "as of right now" and in another post "he won't ever be good enough". So in 2 posts we have 2 different versions.

Bruno played 100 games in Serie A, wow, what an achievement. Rashford also played more than 100 games in PL. Bruno's talent was so obvious that he wasn't even regular starter for lower/midtable serie A team.

 

[Seaman]

Yeah, you gave the context too.

I asked this question before, so can we say Lukaku was better attacker than Hazard as he scored more goals + assists than Hazard? I mean it doesn't matter if the player plays as CF or wide attacker, they should be scoring goals itseems.

We can say lukaku is better striker than Hazard. We can also say Tammy is better striker than Rashford. Also Ole sees Rashford as a striker and not wide attacker.

 

[SportingCP96]

Too defensive when I didn't even talk about quality of leagues.

So which is it then, in 1 post you said "as of right now" and in another post "he won't ever be good enough". So in 2 posts we have 2 different versions.

Bruno played 100 games in Serie A, wow, what an achievement. Rashford also played more than 100 games in PL. Bruno's talent was so obvious that he wasn't even regular starter for lower/midtable serie A team.

You are comparing 2 different players and talent based on position. I always saíd he would be a good epl player but not one that will decide a league title.

My opinion is I don’t think rashford will be a top class player because I don’t see any outstanding qualities for a player who is a winger or striker. The same can’t be said about Bruno. Granted the jury is still out on him at the top level which I have said many times.

 

[roonster09]

Since you see rashford as a winger you think he can be a top class winger because I don’t.

He has showed plenty of potential as a winger and also in few times when he played as CF. I wanted him to play as CF and given extended run of games which I dont think will happen now as Martial will be our 9.

People just forget that he is just 21 years old, all these great wingers, how many were regular scores at Rashford's age? Rashford played many games as sub, so converting his mins into games equivalent, his PL record.
2015-16: 7 goals + assists in 9 games. 0.73 G+A per game
2016-17: 6 goals + assists in 19 games. 0.3 G+A per game
2017-18: 12 goals + assists in 20 games. 0.59 G+A per game
2018-19: 16 goals + assists in 26 games. 0.73 G+A per game

All this playing as winger (most games) under Jose who was defensive manager. That's a good record.

People just ignore his total mins and compare with strikers when he is winger and played around 50% of total mins.

It's too early to make calls, he has done a lot at young age to believe he will be very good player for us.

 

[roonster09]

You are comparing 2 different players and talent based on position. I always saíd he would be a good epl player but not one that will decide a league title.

My opinion is I don’t think rashford will be a top class player because I don’t see any outstanding qualities for a player who is a winger or striker. The same can’t be said about Bruno. Granted the jury is still out on him at the top level which I have said many times.

I don't think any 1 player will decide PL title unless the player is Messi.

KdB was brilliant player and without him City still won the league title. 1 player won't be winning any league titles. We need stronger team and coaching team to win the league.

 

[SportingCP96]

I don't think any 1 player will decide PL title unless the player is Messi.

KdB was brilliant player and without him City still won the league title. 1 player won't be winning any league titles. We need stronger team and coaching team to win the league.

When I say decide a title I mean being good enough for example RVP who effectively decides the title in 12/13.

 

[SportingCP96]

He has showed plenty of potential as a winger and also in few times when he played as CF. I wanted him to play as CF and given extended run of games which I dont think will happen now as Martial will be our 9.

People just forget that he is just 21 years old, all these great wingers, how many were regular scores at Rashford's age? Rashford played many games as sub, so converting his mins into games equivalent, his PL record.
2015-16: 7 goals + assists in 9 games. 0.73 G+A per game
2016-17: 6 goals + assists in 19 games. 0.3 G+A per game
2017-18: 12 goals + assists in 20 games. 0.59 G+A per game
2018-19: 16 goals + assists in 26 games. 0.73 G+A per game

All this playing as winger (most games) under Jose who was defensive manager. That's a good record.

People just ignore his total mins and compare with strikers when he is winger and played around 50% of total mins.

It's too early to make calls, he has done a lot at young age to believe he will be very good player for us.

Daniel janes has been great as well so far but I am not sure he will be a starter in a more competitive team. With rashford I personally don’t think he will a top class player BUT that is based on what I have seen as of now and that opinion could effectively change if I aM proven wrong.

 

[roonster09]

We can say lukaku is better striker than Hazard. We can also say Tammy is better striker than Rashford. Also Ole sees Rashford as a striker and not wide attacker.

Rashford played as winger this season and moved to CF last 2 games as Martial is injured.

Also forget striker, we should talk players as attackers going by the posts.

 

[AshRK]

When I say decide a title I mean being good enough for example RVP who effectively decides the title in 12/13.

Expecting a 21 year old to win you the title is wrong and that is the issue Rashford is having. Instead of being the second fiddle and learning from top strikers he is burdened with responsibilities to lead his team. He is a 21 year old trying to play like a 26 year old. I look at his game and clearly see a player who is trying too hard to impress the world audience.

 

[roonster09]

Daniel janes has been great as well so far but I am not sure he will be a starter in a more competitive team. With rashford I personally don’t think he will a top class player BUT that is based on what I have seen as of now and that opinion could effectively change if I aM proven wrong.

James started well but it's too early to make any judgements. Many players started season superbly and then faded away. We have few of those who played for us

 

[roonster09]

When I say decide a title I mean being good enough for example RVP who effectively decides the title in 12/13.

RVP would have been written off as not good either at Rashford's age. Not many 21 year olds lead their teams to league titles.