Climate Change | UN Report: Code Red for humanity

[RexHamilton]

Thunberg's parents have coerced the UN too it seems.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/env...ging-world-s-oceans-un-report-warns-1.4029859

 

[Carolina Red]

A flat earther/climate change denier just told me this proves melting Glazers won’t lead to sea level change...

 

[Revan]

why does increased awareness need only relate to a philosophical solution? i'm pretty sure Greta herself would be open to technological solutions. the will to invest the amount of money required will come through leaders motivated by the direction of the voting public, or business motivated by the consumer. both the general voter and the consumer need all the awareness they can get.

I get that and I agree with you, but I think that realistically speaking the only long term solution is some advancements in technology which will make carbon neural energy resources profitable. The problem is that oil and gas companies are the only private companies who have the resources to fund the research and the technology to do so, and they have no interest at the moment at it. Which leaves states as the other party who can achieve this.

I think this is the solution. Individuals not taking flights won't achieve much except making those people proud of themselves. On grand scheme of things, it will mean feck all.

 

[11101]

my age is irrelevant (no, i'm not young) and a deflection. if you couldn't quite catch the sarcasm in my post then that's on you. i was using it to make a point.

i agree, climate science is not definitive, and yes it does evolve as we understand more. therefore perhaps you can apply that rationale to the predictions you're talking about in the early 90s.

what you're basically doing right now is ignoring or at least downplaying the current scientific community's warnings about the future because their predictions in the past haven't always been completely accurate. that's a gamble that might be fine for you (you are very old i'm guessing), but a pretty shitty gamble to make for our children and children's children.

Not really. I just realise that the hype and claims that the world is going to end are a call to get people moving and doing something, not what they actually think is going to happen. Plenty of people do actually seem to think that's what is being said though, that girl included.

 

[RexHamilton]

Not really. I just realise that the hype and claims that the world is going to end are a call to get people moving and doing something, not what they actually think is going to happen. Plenty of people do actually seem to think that's what is being said though, that girl included.

Nobody thinks the world is going to end. People see a global emergency, causing death to millions, homelessness, famine, war as a result of climate change, in the not too distant future.

 

[shamans]

I just saw that speech. Man that was cringey. Dont wanna criticize her but whoever set her up to do that.

These gimmicks needs to end. The only way were battling climate change is through regulations of some sort.

Also the biggest culprits right now are India and china. Someone has to address these nations first

 

[nickm]

This'll be my last post as I don't want to flood the thread with comments that the forum are seeming to take as "anti climate action", as that's certainly not the intention.

My simple points were that:

• She's 16 - people maybe took the "idiot" comment as inflammatory and personal. It wasn't meant to be... It was simply an acknowledgement that 16 year olds aren't emotionally and intellectually developed. That's why the can't vote, that's why they can't be married without parental consent. They're by definition immature.
• The way she's going about effecting change is in my view counterproductive. Righteous indignation might rally her base, but they're already changing their habits so they aren't the ones who need to be rallied. It's everyone else that needs to be convinced. The way to do this is not shouting "failure", it's building practical consensus.
• Practical solutions... She literally said in her speech in regards to the ideas that people had put forward "There will not be any solutions or plans presented in line with these figures here today." Ok fair enough, not a single world leader (or anyone else) has brought a solution to the table at a UN conference on the subject that's radical enough. What is the solution then? Nowhere in the biggest speech of her life did she even touch on one thing we could/should all do, she in fact poured scorn on other people's ideas/proposals.
• It's dangerous in my view to thrust her into the position she's in. I don't think any 16 year old could be prepared to be the face of a global cause, especially one with mental health issues. This situation could ultimately end in her health being irreperably damaged and I can't see any argument that should supercede safeguarding a child. We've seen 20 year old footballers go off the rail with this sort of fame. In any other position we'd say it was absurd... A 16 year old Surgeon, CEO, MP, Scientist... But somehow global ambassador is A-OK.

If the speech were given by Bono I'd be equally critical, although he'd be an idiot because he's an idiot; not because he's a child.

I don't think any of that matters. What she is doing, which is about shaming us all for not acting more urgently, is about as much as you could expect of someone her age (and in fact it is effective as a moral argument precisely BECAUSE of her age). I think it's all you can ask. Now, WTF are you doing about climate change that gives you moral grounds to criticise what she is doing?

 

[nickm]

I think that fission is the lesser evil when it comes to it vs fossil energy, but the situation is more complex. First, it isn't clear if fission can solve the energy issue on its own. It is a very dangerous technology, it creates a shitload of waste, it needs radioactive materials (which are finite and not easy to be processed) and it can be used only from some countries. I believe that a combination of it with green energies could be the solution for the next few decades until we finally crack fusion which IMO is the long term solution. We know that stopping economic growth, not flying airplanes and the other bullshit presented by extremists while in theory will 'save the planet', it has 0 chance of getting implemented. What I believe states should do is to put an insane amount of money in fusion research and make it profitable, while at the same time putting another insane amount of money in stop-gaps like fission and green energy.

We should be putting insane amounts of money into fission research (as well as fusion research, and renewables). Our current fission reactors are based on 1950s designs, because nobody's wanted to invest. The priority has to be to eliminate CO2 emissions. If nuclear can help with that, it just has to be on the table as an option for generating baseload power. (Some private individuals like Bill Gates is funding new, alternative designs but it doesn't feel like enough).

 

[One Night Only]

The more I see of this girl the more she just seems like a shit over the top actress.

May have some points, but it's cringey watching her.

 

[Revan]

We should be putting insane amounts of money into fission research (as well as fusion research, and renewables). Our current fission reactors are based on 1950s designs, because nobody's wanted to invest. The priority has to be to eliminate CO2 emissions. If nuclear can help with that, it just has to be on the table as an option for generating baseload power. (Some private individuals like Bill Gates is funding new, alternative designs but it doesn't feel like enough).

Yeah, agree with this. As I said, I think that fusion is the long-term solution, but I don't think we are going to crack it fast enough to stop the predicted increase of 1.5/2C. So we need stop-gaps, which could be a combination of fission and renewables.

 

[jderbyshire]

I just saw that speech. Man that was cringey. Dont wanna criticize her but whoever set her up to do that.

These gimmicks needs to end. The only way were battling climate change is through regulations of some sort.

Also the biggest culprits right now are India and china. Someone has to address these nations first

Well China is the biggest by far (in terms of CO2 emissions) - but then the 2nd biggest is USA which has more than double the emissions of India.

 

[Buster15]

I don't think any of that matters. What she is doing, which is about shaming us all for not acting more urgently, is about as much as you could expect of someone her age. I think it's all you can ask. Now, WTF are you doing about climate change that gives you moral grounds to criticise what she is doing?

Fair question.
In fact it is a question that we should all ask ourselves.
So. This is what we have done:
Despite the fact that my car has a very efficient Ford Ecoboost engine, I have reduced my mileage down to 40 miles a week maximum.
We both walk as much as possible and use the buses as often as possible.
We have stopped eating meat and are largely vegetarians.
We have stopped using the dishwasher.
We have changed all the lights to LED.
This for us is just the start but I would very much value reading what others are doing no matter how small. As they say - every little helps.

 

[Cascarino]

I just saw that speech. Man that was cringey. Dont wanna criticize her but whoever set her up to do that.

These gimmicks needs to end. The only way were battling climate change is through regulations of some sort.

Also the biggest culprits right now are India and china. Someone has to address these nations first

You don't think the publicity and support that she has brought on the topic will have any bearing on legislation being introduced?

I don't think we should all hold back on doing anything because of what two other countries are doing. Aren't the USA and China worse anyway?

The more I see of this girl the more she just seems like a shit over the top actress.

May have some points, but it's cringey watching her.

My cringe radar goes off when middle aged men refer to 16 year olds as cringey.

 

[One Night Only]

You don't think the publicity and support that she has brought on the topic will have any bearing on legislation being introduced?

I don't think we should all hold back on doing anything because of what two other countries are doing. Aren't the USA and China worse anyway?



My cringe radar goes off when middle aged men refer to 16 year olds as cringey.

Who the feck said I'm a middle aged man? I'm still a sperm.

 

[Cheesy]

I just saw that speech. Man that was cringey. Dont wanna criticize her but whoever set her up to do that.

These gimmicks needs to end. The only way were battling climate change is through regulations of some sort.

Also the biggest culprits right now are India and china. Someone has to address these nations first

The US are far worse per capita than China. And per capita India really aren't that bad at all.

 

[Massive Spanner]

I just saw that speech. Man that was cringey. Dont wanna criticize her but whoever set her up to do that.

These gimmicks needs to end. The only way were battling climate change is through regulations of some sort.

Also the biggest culprits right now are India and china. Someone has to address these nations first

US: "Oh sure we're bad but whattabout India and China?"
Australia: "Oh suuure we're bad but whattabout the US?"
Ireland: "Oh suuuuuure we're bad but whattabout Australia?"

 

[Cascarino]

Who the feck said I'm a middle aged man? I'm still a sperm.

We're posting on a football forum, we're all middle aged.

 

[shamans]

US: "Oh sure we're bad but whattabout India and China?"
Australia: "Oh suuure we're bad but whattabout the US?"
Ireland: "Oh suuuuuure we're bad but whattabout Australia?"

It's not marginal differences though. The whole world vs India and China is a big big percentage. No one is addressing that.

 

[shamans]

You don't think the publicity and support that she has brought on the topic will have any bearing on legislation being introduced?

I don't think we should all hold back on doing anything because of what two other countries are doing. Aren't the USA and China worse anyway?



My cringe radar goes off when middle aged men refer to 16 year olds as cringey.

No I don't. These UN speeches with a "brave" young person talking about some humanitarian message, receiving claps equate to nothing. That's the reality.

It's become a meme more than anything.

 

[shamans]

The more I see of this girl the more she just seems like a shit over the top actress.

May have some points, but it's cringey watching her.

The "I should be in school but I'm here" line was so cringy. Yeah no student would give up their mundane school routine addressing the U.N basically adding gold nuggets to their resume for the future.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

I just saw that speech. Man that was cringey. Dont wanna criticize her but whoever set her up to do that.

These gimmicks needs to end. The only way were battling climate change is through regulations of some sort.

Also the biggest culprits right now are India and china. Someone has to address these nations first

And we should trust the people empowered to make these regulations because?

It's good that this young woman is calling everyone out.

 

[finneh]

I don't think any of that matters. What she is doing, which is about shaming us all for not acting more urgently, is about as much as you could expect of someone her age (and in fact it is effective as a moral argument precisely BECAUSE of her age). I think it's all you can ask. Now, WTF are you doing about climate change that gives you moral grounds to criticise what she is doing?

I won't address the other points (some of which are a misrepresentation) as I've stated my previous post would be my last. However:

My company has just invested £120k on Tesla Model 3's to replace petrol/diesal cars. We'll be investing this every year until we have a full fleet.

My company has invested £750k over the last decade in biomass heating instead of sending what was previously junk to landfill.

We're looking at installing £250k of solar panels over the next 5 years, subject to cash flow of course.

We've invested £300k in new HGV vehicles that are up to 30% more efficient.

We now recycle all of our 25 tonnes of plastic and cardboard waste; all of which went to landfill a decade ago (we actually make several grand doing so and save several grand in skips).

We've invested £50k in the installation of LED lighting and will continue to do so until every light fixture is LED.

We've invested in technologies that mean less travel for all of our reps, reducing miles traveled by a third in many cases.

We've implemented a cycle scheme whereby the company will buy bikes for staff who ride to work instead of driving (very low take up unfortunately).

We have a focus now on employing staff in the local area where two members of staff are of similar caliber.

We've changed packaging solutions from plastic to timber where practical, saving hundreds of kg of plastic usage per year.

We've invested £320k in the last 2 years on new CNC machines that are far more efficient, meaning you can achieve roughly 40% more output using the same quantity of electricity.

We've invested £20k and plan to invest much more in the testing of a graphite compound to replace plastic in a key component that our industry uses. It's very early days but if successful this could reduce plastic in every commercial building in the UK (although regulations are against us as it stands).

We now include a "maximum quantity of deliveries" on all our quotations to prevent customers from requesting dozens of deliveries, where half as many will suffice. This has nudged our customers into reducing traveled miles by the thousands.

I myself am replacing my Diesal car with a Tesla in the next year.

I now only eat meat bought from local butchers, which source their meat a stone's throw away from my house.

I am in the process of buying a lawn mowing robot so that I can get rid of my petrol ride on mower which is far less efficient.

 

[Raulduke]

Well this is a creepy take if ever there was one, but yeah lets not question how odd it is that a 16 year old with strongly held opinions inspires such weird indignation from some blokes online

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[shamans]

And we should trust the people empowered to make these regulations because?

It's good that this young woman is calling everyone out.

Yeah this cringe fest sure will convince leaders and folks alike we better do something.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

Yeah this cringe fest sure will convince leaders and folks alike we better do something.

It seems to be convincing a lot of folks that we have been slacking.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

Well this is a creepy take if ever there was one, but yeah lets not question how odd it is that a 16 year old with strongly held opinions inspires such weird indignation from some blokes online

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Just wow. Is he a registered sex offender?

 

[Redlambs]

Well this is a creepy take if ever there was one, but yeah lets not question how odd it is that a 16 year old with strongly held opinions inspires such weird indignation from some blokes online

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What the feck is wrong with people.

 

[Massive Spanner]

It's not marginal differences though. The whole world vs India and China is a big big percentage. No one is addressing that.

That is not the point.

Every country can go around blaming every other country as a lazy excuse. How about every country does their best to solve the issue themselves instead of doing that? If every country waits on bigger polluters to solve their problems before doing anything themselves then we will get nowhere.

The term "whataboutism" is quite apt for what you're saying, you'd make a good Donald Trump.

 

[Cascarino]

It's not marginal differences though. The whole world vs India and China is a big big percentage. No one is addressing that.

This is such a weak argument. Why are you also leaving out the USA (I imagine that's where you live)? Your claims earlier about the biggest contributors were false.

No I don't. These UN speeches with a "brave" young person talking about some humanitarian message, receiving claps equate to nothing. That's the reality.

It's become a meme more than anything.

Equate to nothing? She organised a strike that resulted in millions participating. She's had a tremendous impact and to deny that is misguided at best. Just because she's not in a lab concocting a device that will fix all the problems, doesn't mean she hasn't had a positive influence.

 

[VP]

It's not marginal differences though. The whole world vs India and China is a big big percentage. No one is addressing that.

Eh? Where are you pulling these numbers from? Or is this just your hatred of India coming out again?

India is the second-most populous country in the world and doesn't even come close to matching the damage the West is doing (and already done). India is also doing more than other countries to meet the Paris Agreement commitments.

 

[shamans]

Eh? Where are you pulling these numbers from? Or is this just your hatred of India coming out again?

India is the second-most populous country in the world and doesn't even come close to matching the damage the West is doing (and already done). India is also doing more than other countries to meet the Paris Agreement commitments.

wtf?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions play with this graph. See the rising trends of the nations I mentioned

It seems to be convincing a lot of folks that we have been slacking.

Anyone who got convinced by that speech who otherwise wasn't is not very sharp in my books.

Equate to nothing? She organised a strike that resulted in millions participating. She's had a tremendous impact and to deny that is misguided at best. Just because she's not in a lab concocting a device that will fix all the problems, doesn't mean she hasn't had a positive influence.

Overall she hasn't had much of a positive impact. She's become an internet meme. It was a terrible speech. If we want people to take climate change serious let's at least have better orators address nations.

 

[Cascarino]

wtf?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions play with this graph. See the rising trends of the nations I mentioned




Anyone who got convinced by that speech who otherwise wasn't is not very sharp in my books.




Overall she hasn't had much of a positive impact. She's become an internet meme. It was a terrible speech. If we want people to take climate change serious let's at least have better orators address nations.

They're more likely to be convinced by her speeches (which amount to saying, listen to the scientists) than they are your posts which continue to be incorrect. That link doesn't vindicate you, it shows you were mistaken. Of course she's had a positive impact and it's delusional to think otherwise. You can still find her annoying (and I'll continue to find that an odd reaction) but you can't deny the impact she had. Ignoring everything else you can just look at the numbers of people who participated in the recent strike, the amount of discussion she's generated. You can't negate all of that.

As for the last line, if people don't want to take climate change seriously because Greta and not Morgan Freeman delivered the speech, then maybe that person should look at themselves.

 

[Tarrou]

have all the right wing think tanks pulled the plug on the denier stuff in recent years?

seems like a lot of right wing folk seem to accept the science these days, or are more accepting at least than say 10 years back

 

[caid]

have all the right wing think tanks pulled the plug on the denier stuff in recent years?

seems like a lot of right wing folk seem to accept the science these days, or are more accepting at least than say 10 years back

Yeah. Denial is the scientific equivalent of being a flat earther at this point. You cant get anyone credible to make an argument for it. Even Exxon Mobil have a statement on their site pretty openly saying man made environmental collapse is a problem (they're a part of the solution apparently).
https://corporate.exxonmobil.com/energy-and-environment/environmental-protection/climate-change

 

[VP]

wtf?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions play with this graph. See the rising trends of the nations I mentioned

Even with India rising(from a very low base) its still significantly below US, China, and the EU and that's before adjusting for population.

 

[shamans]

They're more likely to be convinced by her speeches (which amount to saying, listen to the scientists) than they are your posts which continue to be incorrect. That link doesn't vindicate you, it shows you were mistaken. Of course she's had a positive impact and it's delusional to think otherwise. You can still find her annoying (and I'll continue to find that an odd reaction) but you can't deny the impact she had. Ignoring everything else you can just look at the numbers of people who participated in the recent strike, the amount of discussion she's generated. You can't negate all of that.

As for the last line, if people don't want to take climate change seriously because Greta and not Morgan Freeman delivered the speech, then maybe that person should look at themselves.

Even with India rising(from a very low base) its still significantly below US, China, and the EU and that's before adjusting for population.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/pm25-air-pollution

Here's another graph. Difference between east and west can be seen.

 

[0le]

Does anyone know how the trials in Waitrose are going, where customers bring their own resuable container to buy food (I guess nuts and fruit?) instead of buying packaged items?

 

[Massive Spanner]

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/pm25-air-pollution

Here's another graph. Difference between east and west can be seen.

That's not carbon emissions.

 

[Cascarino]

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/pm25-air-pollution

Here's another graph. Difference between east and west can be seen.

That's air pollution. It's a massive issue but it's not what you were talking about.

 

[4bars]

I won't address the other points (some of which are a misrepresentation) as I've stated my previous post would be my last. However:

My company has just invested £120k on Tesla Model 3's to replace petrol/diesal cars. We'll be investing this every year until we have a full fleet.

My company has invested £750k over the last decade in biomass heating instead of sending what was previously junk to landfill.

We're looking at installing £250k of solar panels over the next 5 years, subject to cash flow of course.

We've invested £300k in new HGV vehicles that are up to 30% more efficient.

We now recycle all of our 25 tonnes of plastic and cardboard waste; all of which went to landfill a decade ago (we actually make several grand doing so and save several grand in skips).

We've invested £50k in the installation of LED lighting and will continue to do so until every light fixture is LED.

We've invested in technologies that mean less travel for all of our reps, reducing miles traveled by a third in many cases.

We've implemented a cycle scheme whereby the company will buy bikes for staff who ride to work instead of driving (very low take up unfortunately).

We have a focus now on employing staff in the local area where two members of staff are of similar caliber.

We've changed packaging solutions from plastic to timber where practical, saving hundreds of kg of plastic usage per year.

We've invested £320k in the last 2 years on new CNC machines that are far more efficient, meaning you can achieve roughly 40% more output using the same quantity of electricity.

We've invested £20k and plan to invest much more in the testing of a graphite compound to replace plastic in a key component that our industry uses. It's very early days but if successful this could reduce plastic in every commercial building in the UK (although regulations are against us as it stands).

We now include a "maximum quantity of deliveries" on all our quotations to prevent customers from requesting dozens of deliveries, where half as many will suffice. This has nudged our customers into reducing traveled miles by the thousands.

I myself am replacing my Diesal car with a Tesla in the next year.

I now only eat meat bought from local butchers, which source their meat a stone's throw away from my house.

I am in the process of buying a lawn mowing robot so that I can get rid of my petrol ride on mower which is far less efficient.

Good for you

That has nothing to do with the stupidity that you had been saying about Greta (among other things)