I've been saying this since Summer 2018, when he refused to finance the final title charge, after we got 2nd place. Jose was totally up for it and ready to fight for the title. Unfortunately, Woodward did not share Jose's ambitions.
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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The only issue is that Ole has never showed that he was a good manager at a decent level.
That definitely is the big question - finally someone has seen behind the curtain! Its the 'he can't coach but is a bloody nice bloke' scandal.
So basically Ole is Neo/the guy of the movie 300/Klaus Mikaelson
Which are?
There isn't anything that he can do about that. At the moment, if he gets sacked tomorrow, it would place him firmly in the 'never stood a chance' category. If he gets 2 more windows to sign players he wants and we are still struggling this time next week, I'll change my vote to sack without any hesitation.
That's the answer. He won't. Period. So keeping him especially with his track record at Cardiff is at best 'let's hope he becomes' beause he wasn't all that at Cardiff and he is certainly not all that here currently and can we please stop labelling fans who have seen enough of a manager to know he is taking us nowhere as rival fans who don't love the club. It's tiring. You don't love Manchester United any more than I do. We all want the best for the club. I don't give a feck if it's a club legend or not the same way I dnt care if a player who plays for us is British or homegrown. Football has moved on and become a global entity. I want the best man to manage us and take us back to the top and being sentimental with appointments of coaches and assistants will not take us there for starters
Don't believe, stick your head in the sand as much as you like... if our form continues, by the end of next month the 'relegation danger' rubbish you call it will be firm reality...
We've got a hard run coming up this month. 6/7 matches away with the one at home being Liverpool. We are on a club record 7 Premier League matches without an away win. 2 wins in last 12 Premier League matches. 0 clean sheets away from home in any competition since Ole's permanent appointment. Scored more than 1 goal just once in last 15 matches...
Need i go on?
Come on - we've done that a thousand times. If you really think that this is a perfect playing surface to be delivering a great footballing side right now then I'm lost for words.
There's no scandal whatsoever. Its just a repetition of what we've saw in the past years ie its the same mistakes we keep criticising the club with. Its ain't no different from Moyes/LVG/Mou bringing in their own men even though they might not be anywhere near as good to the job. TBF Sir Alex did it as well with his own brother for example. There's no chance that some washed up coach from Hibernian could be good enough to end up United's chief scout.
Having said that, Sir Alex had the brilliance and the experience to give the 1-2 jobs for the boys knowing that he could easily compensate for them. Can Ole say the same thing?
I obviously don’t think that, I just think our manager is way way out of his depth, as a coach, as a tactician, as a character and as a visionary.
You're out of your mind.
Feck off Phil as manager? I would rather stick pins in my eyes thanks than let them anywhere near this famous club. If that were to happen we might as well close the club down. The cute inexperienced option has run it's course. What are we, the make a wish foundation?
It's a prolly sack soon
Keep (for now) for a couple of key reasons
- We are in a massive rebuild whether some fans accept that or not, the focus now should be on building a competitive squad with the right skills and the right attitude and here it seems Ole has done a decent job.
- Looking at our squad in August it was clear it was going to be a long and tough season
- Hes our fourth manager in 6 years, clearly we have other problems besides under performing managers
- Sacking him now would be utterly mental. Who would take over?
Yes. We really had to a chance to kick on and Ed bottled it. Not sure how many manager's he's going to sacrifice.
Here's how I see it:
+ Has a good plan A.
+ Team's working hard for him, squad has a direction, players haven't given up yet.
- Terrible subs / no plan B.
+ Good signings defensively even if we've overspent a bit.
- Prioritized defence over attack and let first team players go without adequate replacements. Can't score goals now as a result.
- Along the same lines, we're over reliant on Pogba. Without Pogba, there's no creativity in the team as we've seen over the past few weeks.
- Pre-season didn't do much for fitness, it's just October, EL has barely started and we had a bunch of injuries. Can't bear to think of what would happen in Dec when fixtures come thick and fast.
I'd give him one more window if it isn't a disastrous season (finishing outside top-6). No coach will get top-4 with this squad so we risk throwing away all our progress if we sack Ole now. It's tough, but we made some tough decisions and we need to stick with them.
For an easy fix: Go get a PL proven AM like Eriksen in Jan and buy a backup striker. Even if we go all out for Poch next year, he won't have much to complain about if we sign Eriksen. We should've done it this summer instead of fecking around trying to sign Dybala but *shrugs*. Get it done in Jan and the squad will look much healthier.
+ Has a good plan A.
+ Team's working hard for him, squad has a direction, players haven't given up yet.
- Terrible subs / no plan B.
+ Good signings defensively even if we've overspent a bit.
- Prioritized defence over attack and let first team players go without adequate replacements. Can't score goals now as a result.
- Along the same lines, we're over reliant on Pogba. Without Pogba, there's no creativity in the team as we've seen over the past few weeks.
- Pre-season didn't do much for fitness, it's just October, EL has barely started and we had a bunch of injuries. Can't bear to think of what would happen in Dec when fixtures come thick and fast.
I'd give him one more window if it isn't a disastrous season (finishing outside top-6). No coach will get top-4 with this squad so we risk throwing away all our progress if we sack Ole now. It's tough, but we made some tough decisions and we need to stick with them.
For an easy fix: Go get a PL proven AM like Eriksen in Jan and buy a backup striker. Even if we go all out for Poch next year, he won't have much to complain about if we sign Eriksen. We should've done it this summer instead of fecking around trying to sign Dybala but *shrugs*. Get it done in Jan and the squad will look much healthier.
None of this alters the fact that clubs with worse squads than ours and less resources have a clear vision of how they are trying to play, the board isn't picking the team or tactics, that's Ole, and while this squad lacks real quality they shouldn't look as toitally clueless as we do.
If we were bringing in coaches on the tactical side i'd agree, but all the recent appointments are geared towards player conditioning and rightly so because the fitness level of our players from the Reserves team upwards are shocking, i'd blame Mourinho for that, but that's for another thread, another day.
Oh God, it’s not even remotely the same thing... when Moyes came on board, we’d just won the title. His task was to keep on winning with a title winning squad. Ole’s task is to rebuild the squad with young players around a new tactical philosophy.
The sad thing is that with the “Ole Out” fans, you’re actually making it worse for the club. You want instant results, but the PL is way too competitive to expect that. Ask Liverpool. They’ve only spent 29 years without a title, some of which was mired in 8th place, 5th place, etc. Only when they took a few steps back, patiently built the squad and developed an identity were they able to come back into the fold as title challengers.
By constantly whinging about everything about the club, you’re detracting focus from the rebuild of the club squad, organizational structure, and yes, even the coaching staff. We’ve tried mercenary managers. They did not work. Give it some time. We will need it.
I’m voting keep purely down to 3 things
1. he’s been in the job less than a year, he’s dealing with lots of injuries and a big drop off in quality passed first team level.
2. He’s had 1 transfer window, the 3 signings we made are GOOD. Another 2/3 in January could make a big difference.
3. there’s no klopp/Guardiola out there waiting ready to go. We’d have to take another chance at either an experienced old pro, or another young prodigy who may do no better. We’d be sacking a club legend who’s trying his best, with no guarantee others will do better with the rubbish squad we have.
for this I’m willing to remain patient. Jose didn’t do much better with a better squad (Fellaini,Herrera,lukaku) all need replacing.
his record is currently poor but a lot of these matches have ended with us missing penalties, sitters, making huge individual errors to concede goals. We will get passed this and once a few wins come in a row confidence could lead to us going on a big run.
if by the summer things haven’t changed and we’re still in an awful position, then we can plan better and try to find the right manager.
poch would be the favourite, but I’d prefer a continental manager that will concentrate on tactical play.
1. he’s been in the job less than a year, he’s dealing with lots of injuries and a big drop off in quality passed first team level.
2. He’s had 1 transfer window, the 3 signings we made are GOOD. Another 2/3 in January could make a big difference.
3. there’s no klopp/Guardiola out there waiting ready to go. We’d have to take another chance at either an experienced old pro, or another young prodigy who may do no better. We’d be sacking a club legend who’s trying his best, with no guarantee others will do better with the rubbish squad we have.
for this I’m willing to remain patient. Jose didn’t do much better with a better squad (Fellaini,Herrera,lukaku) all need replacing.
his record is currently poor but a lot of these matches have ended with us missing penalties, sitters, making huge individual errors to concede goals. We will get passed this and once a few wins come in a row confidence could lead to us going on a big run.
if by the summer things haven’t changed and we’re still in an awful position, then we can plan better and try to find the right manager.
poch would be the favourite, but I’d prefer a continental manager that will concentrate on tactical play.
I don't think he is doing a good job, at least the results are not good, but I am not sure it's all his fault. He inherited a team that wasn't very good, it needed at least 6 new players who would start and the players who where here who where good enough to start needed to play better.
In the summer we brought in three players who I like and I feel added to the team, he's gotten rid of some deadwood and have tried to get rid of more. Sure we have been left a little light with the departures and only bringing in three players and the injuries to our better players have really hurt, but I am not sure what else Ole could achieve with the team we have. We are just not very good at the moment. Bringing in another manger now who is more tactically astute, isn't really going to help much with the personnel we have. Besides who is available at the moment who is better.
I am going say no to firing him now. Give him another two windows, hopefully we bring in two good players in January and other three in the summer as well as getting rid of more deadwood. See where we are this time next year, if there is no significant improvement then he is gone. To be honest though, I suspect if we are out of everything come March or April they will replace him with somebody else.
In the summer we brought in three players who I like and I feel added to the team, he's gotten rid of some deadwood and have tried to get rid of more. Sure we have been left a little light with the departures and only bringing in three players and the injuries to our better players have really hurt, but I am not sure what else Ole could achieve with the team we have. We are just not very good at the moment. Bringing in another manger now who is more tactically astute, isn't really going to help much with the personnel we have. Besides who is available at the moment who is better.
I am going say no to firing him now. Give him another two windows, hopefully we bring in two good players in January and other three in the summer as well as getting rid of more deadwood. See where we are this time next year, if there is no significant improvement then he is gone. To be honest though, I suspect if we are out of everything come March or April they will replace him with somebody else.
Ed needs to go first. It’s as clear as day. It’s impossible to measure Olés chances before that.
Anyone arguing otherwise is in denial and/or imbecilic.
Anyone arguing otherwise is in denial and/or imbecilic.
So until ED is gone we should simply give up? Is that what you’re saying?
Because I don’t think ED is going anywhere as long as he is doing a good job on the financial and commercial side of things.
I'm not ready to see him sacked. These 9 months were a chance that Ole didn't deserve, we are not talking about your average appointment who is doing a good job at a decent level but a manager from a very poor league who got the job because he knew someone at the club. He doesn't deserve one more window because he didn't deserve the previous one, he doesn't deserve your patience or anyone's. There is no way to rationalize your position because it's not based on past experience, he has no history of success at a decent level.
At the end of the day, I'm on your side because I don't want to see Ole sacked, it's not about United but about someone that made me dream when I was a kid and he is a gentleman. I don't want him sacked, it would be deserved but I don't want it.
Keep. Absolutely and 100%. I have some problems with some things Ole is doing, but here's why I think it would be lunacy to change him now.
1. Who would we replace him with? I might feel differently if a really good candidate was available, and I mean "really good" in the sense of "having proven their knowledge and skills at the highest level, understand what it means to be Manchester United, and are willing to build long-term towards sustainable success". To the best of my knowledge no such manager is available so what's the point?
2. What United need now more than anything is stability. We can't keep chucking out the manager every year or every other year, and then bringing in someone with a whole other philosophy. That's why we're in this situation: instead of having one team, we have four parts of four different teams, and some of those parts are years overdue for replacement.
3. We all knew (or at least I hope we all did) that this was a long-term project. Prior to the season we were all saying it's going to be rough, there's going to be bad times and there's going to be bad performances. Now we're there. Now we endure, and hope that next January, and next summer, United take more steps towards a brighter future. Kick out more deadwood, bring in more players who are up for it and want to be here. That still probably won't be enough, but as long as there's progress.
1. Who would we replace him with? I might feel differently if a really good candidate was available, and I mean "really good" in the sense of "having proven their knowledge and skills at the highest level, understand what it means to be Manchester United, and are willing to build long-term towards sustainable success". To the best of my knowledge no such manager is available so what's the point?
2. What United need now more than anything is stability. We can't keep chucking out the manager every year or every other year, and then bringing in someone with a whole other philosophy. That's why we're in this situation: instead of having one team, we have four parts of four different teams, and some of those parts are years overdue for replacement.
3. We all knew (or at least I hope we all did) that this was a long-term project. Prior to the season we were all saying it's going to be rough, there's going to be bad times and there's going to be bad performances. Now we're there. Now we endure, and hope that next January, and next summer, United take more steps towards a brighter future. Kick out more deadwood, bring in more players who are up for it and want to be here. That still probably won't be enough, but as long as there's progress.
So do you trust Ed to make the next appointment?
Failed to attract Klopp. Have no plan whatsoever to recruit progessive coaching team. All these "technical director" talks just to buy time, fool investors & fans.
He hire another clueless manager and we'll be back to square one.
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The proposition on offer is mental. Sack him and then what? No manager. That’ll be better. Good show to everyone voting to sack him.
What the hell is this rubbish.
You lot wanting to keep an awful manager who wouldn’t be hired by many Championship clubs are making it worse for the club. He hasn’t created any sort of identity, it’s our worse start in 30 years, it’s boring.
I mean how clueless do you have to be to keel supporting such a shite manager?
In an era where other clubs are competing with us we need the best manager we can get. Look at Leicester and you can see they’ve hired a manager who knows what he’s doing & creating an identity quickly.
Then look at us. A total mess & the MAJORITY of fans want to keep him. It’s utterly Insane
I thought you were oppen to offers, Judas.
Go back to Fergies 2nd (88/89) and 3rd (89/90) full seasons and you’ll see runs of form that would make some posters here squeal like pigs for months on end after very heavy investment in the case of 89/90. That was a huge change of attitude, rebuild, structure and football. It took 6 years. That was without Ed fvcking things up left right and centre. @Sir Scott McToMinay
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I cannot imagine him signing a worse manager than Ole even if he tried.
No Ole doesn’t equal no manager.
Yes because the ONLY manager out there is Ole.
Bloody hell our fan base is fcked with stupid statements like that
My issue with Eddie Howe is that his teams are way too open and this would be a huge non starter if this continued at a top 6 club. I personally would rate Ole as the defensive opposite to Howe and think that if we were to replace Ole, the new manager should be able to implement solid attack and defense.
Only good ones!
100% this
If Ed's not going, then we're not going anywhere, hate to break it to you.
United's on-field performances will have an effect on the financial and commercial side of things.
Whether it's 6-months or 6-years, I don't know.
+10!
Agreed on only sending Ole out when he's the weakest link. And he has definitely put himself in a bad position for the club he loves.
I was at the city 5-1 game at maine road, those were tough times but it all came good. Fergie got the club and what was needed, Ole does too, is he as good? No but then who is that is available and would want this poisoned chalice? Im happy to give him the season.
Managers with much better CV's (LVG, Mourinho) have also failed at this club, which makes fecking think that the fish stinks from its head (owners and board).
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