Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)

[StrettyEnder07]

Comparing Ole to one of the best F1 drivers ever. Heard it all now.

It was tongue and cheek you miserable feck, get a sense of humour, massive spanner haha not wrong

 

[Leftback99]

We're playing like a team that's going to be in a relegation battle this season. We can't score more than one goal in a match to save our lives and it's our worst start in 30 years. I knew this season was going to be tough but I wanted to see us at least implement a playing style and play football that will excite the fans. I was willing to give Ole time but what I'm seeing on the pitch is awful and Ole looks fecking clueless and out of his depth.

For me it's going just like I expected it to when I looked at the squad pre season. Especially if you had told me that we'd have a ridiculous injury list.

Was it a bad decision to go into the season with such an obvious lack of goals in the team, yes. Is sacking him now going to solve it? Definitely not.

 

[HybridMoments]

What makes people think that giving Ole time, more transfer windows etc. will change the fact that he is woefully out of his depth. There is a reason he has been manager at Molde and was relegated with Cardiff, his only top flight appointment. I love the guy and always will, but what is it that people see that makes them decide that he will change from being a mediocre lower division manager to a successful one at arguably the biggest club in the world with all the pressure and expectation that comes with that? I don't see what needs to happen that will miraculously make him an elite level manager?

 

[Nikelesh Reddy]

I would sack him at the end of the season cause he’s simply not good enough to manage at this level.Theres absolutely no point in sacking him now...We won’t be able to get any decent manager in...So see the season out with Ole and then make the change....

 

[Noc-Z]

A real case of the "grass is greener" syndrome going on here.

It's really puzzling because mostly everyone between here and the moon agreed before the season started that we had a lot of work to do, and we aren't going to compete for the title this season, but rather develop youngsters and give them a chance to bloom, while trying to get into the top4. We are going this route because we have had almost 7 years of spending sprees that have brought us nearly nothing. With GREAT managers at the helm no less. And I see people here wanting to bring in journeymen managers who have managed about 20 clubs in their careers.

We get rid of Lukaku who is the opposite of what we want. Lukaku has the turning ability of a cruiseship, and ball handling ability of a wall. The only problem we are currently facing is that our go-to striker in Marcus Rashford has managed to somehow lose all confidence over the course of 6 games, after being absolutely great in the first one. Alexis Sanchez scored what, 4 goals in his entire career? And now people suddenly feel he was to great solution after all? It'd be nice if we didnt forget history 30 seconds after it happened once in a while.

Last night, Scott McTominay stood alone at the 5 meter mark with open net, and he heads the ball over the goal. That is how close we came to winning the game last night. Same story with Marcus Rashford against Crystal Palace and Wolverhampton. Missed penalties, missed open nets. The game was always there for the taking. We've had 1 bad game all season, against West Ham, every other game we deserved the win but personal mistakes squandered everything.

Remember the game against Southampton? EIGHT shots on goal. 1-1. The problem we have is inherently with the end product. Our defense this season is great, absolutely phenomenal compared to last season. Lindelöf is about to lose his starting position to Tuanzebe once AWB and Shaw are both healthy.

We tried to buy Dybala, Eriksen, Sancho, Mandzukic and Longstaff during the transfer window. Jadon Sancho is a target next summer. Mandzukic might be a depth option in January, Dybala fell through due to his image rights, Eriksen wants to move to Spain, Longstaff was priced at £50 million.

Thing is, we signed 3 players who have all performed above and beyond except for maybe Maguire who I already expected to be very good. James is exceeding everyones expectations by far, and AWB is an absolute phenomenon as a defensive rightback.

We're not losing matches left and right are we? We've lost 2. Same as Tottenham and Chelsea. 3 draws. All of which we would have won, had the quality of the player product been better. That is on the players, not the manager. You do not need a manager to tell you how to put the ball in the net 5-10 meters away. These are adults, they know how to do that.

A rebuild is just that, a rebuild that reshapes the very identity and structure of the entire football team. It takes time, several transfer windows, you play a mix of veterans and young kids that will eventually grow into men. Mason Greenwood is already seeing a lot of gametime. He is 17 years old and playing like a man.

This is not the end product of this version of Manchester United, this is the very first stepping stone. Either you trust in the process, or you go on thinking that the grass is always greener, and act like fans of the opposing team every time we play a game until we are winning again and the team is suddenly worthy of your support.

Well said. What I heard a lot of pre-season is "we are in a very difficult situation, its going to be a tough season, we are nowhere near in a position to challenge and a proper rebuild is going to take some time but it's what we need. "

Then 7 league games in to the season - people are freaking out. "it's not working" "this long term strategy is going to fail we should abandon it immediately!" "sack Ole!" "we want to see results NOW!!!!""""

People need a little perspective and a lot more patience.

 

[Ban]

I would take Howe over Ole any day. Funny how some will turn their nose up at that idea but will happily back Ole.

You're missing the point. Which is what would be an alternative to Ole but who we wouldn't want to get sacked in a few months.

 

[owlo]

Thats why he isn't playing every game.
Tretaed abysmally, both were hated here and most people wanted them out, now Ole is at fault for pushing them out. Fantastic.
As I said first to blame is Ed.

He should be though. We have nobody else now. Except another young striker who also needed carefully managed and has been thrown to the wolves instead.

Hated or not, both were useful. It's not the managers job to pander to the fans. If it was, any of us could be the manager. Can you honestly say we are better off this year without Fellaini in the squad/team?

 

[Cantona in disguise]

I love ole. Absolute legend. However he looks old and tired this early in the season. I think he needs to be honest with himself as he looks like hes out of ideas to me.

I want him to be successful but I just cant see it. Results are awful. Play is awful. Unless something dramatic happens in the next few weeks he will be gone novemver/December.

I just hope it's on his terms before it gets really messy. Fingers crossed for a dramatic upturn in play and results.

 

[Massive Spanner]

It was tongue and cheek you miserable feck, get a sense of humour, massive spanner haha not wrong

Sorry for being miserable, I'm just going through a tough time. My wife just left me.

 

[Massive Spanner]

You're missing the point. Which is what would be an alternative to Ole but who we wouldn't want to get sacked in a few months.

Eh.. Eddie Howe.

 

[charlenefan]

He took Bournemouth from league one to the PL in three seasons and made them a mid/upper table team whilst playing some of the best football in the league. It's a hell of a lot more than Ole has ever done.

He's a bit of a punt but he's quite clearly a much better manager than Ole, and would likely jump at the chance to come here if it was presented to him.

If that's the criteria then why not hire back Moyes? And as for the promotions sorry that doesn't impress me when talking about a potential Man Utd manager

I'm not saying Ole is the answer (he isn't), I'm not saying he should have ever got the job in the first place (he shouldn't) but if we're going to sack him I'd want a better replacement than Eddie How (who by the way has averaged only 44 points in Bournemouth's 3 seasons in the PL)

 

[EireRed_GS]

Get a hold of yourself.

Its not too much of a stretch to think that. SAF tactics would be on point, but he wouldnt have time for alot of these softies we have in our squad, he would be doing the same, just prob alot more ruthless.

 

[Ban]

He should be though. We have nobody else now. Except another young striker who also needed carefully managed and has been thrown to the wolves instead.

Hated or not, both were useful. It's not the managers job to pander to the fans. If it was, any of us could be the manager. Can you honestly say we are better off this year without Fellaini in the squad/team?

How exactly has Greenwood been thrown to the wolves?
I heard it all now, we're missing Fellaini. That was the problem and still is, too many average players. Ole gets rid of some of them and that's a problem.

 

[Zlatattack]

I suggest we keep him until a suitable alternative is available.

IF Poch quits/gets fired - then we pull the trigger.

 

[Ban]

Eh.. Eddie Howe.

Not sure that's a good alternative.

 

[Smores]

Some of you are as bad as the brexiteers. It was all tall tales at the start of how Ole will bring attacking football and how we're making united great again. Jumping up and down like giddy children when we were in good form (and even before) of 'see the squad is great'.

Suddenly things prove more problematic and rather than 'see we're up there' its become '10th is fine it's a poor squad". Anything to suggest it's not on Ole.

All we need is to Back Ole and believe

 

[Massive Spanner]

If that's the criteria then why not hire back Moyes? And as for the promotions sorry that doesn't impress me when talking about a potential Man Utd manager

I'm not saying Ole is the answer (he isn't), I'm not saying he should have ever got the job in the first place (he shouldn't) but if we're going to sack him I'd want a better replacement than Eddie How (who by the way has averaged only 44 points in Bournemouth's 3 seasons in the PL)

Moyes never really showed that he could do much other than keep a team consistently hovering in upper mid table for a long period of time. Howe has taken a league two team and made them one of the PL's mainstays in five years. If you can't see the difference between that and Moyes then I don't know what to say.

He is definitely still a risk, no doubt, but he would be a risk worth taking. He's young, British, plays great football and has shown he's capable of continuously improving his side year on year. Can he make the step up to a bigger club or is this his limit? Well, I don't know, there's only one way to find out.

 

[owlo]

How exactly has Greenwood been thrown to the wolves?
I heard it all now, we're missing Fellaini. That was the problem and still is, too many average players. Ole gets rid of some of them and that's a problem.

I said Rashford has been thrown to the wolves.

And yes, we're missing Fellaini. Of course it's a problem to 'get rid' of average players if you don't adequately replace them. I'd have thought that common sense.

 

[ryansgirl]

However, I now agree with the irrationally rabid fans on this forum that he should be let go if, and only if, we can get Pochettino. I also have serious doubts about Pochettino in terms of inspiring a team to win a trophy, let alone a league title, but I do think he is more effective at getting his ideas across and building a possession-based football team. Today's match again demonstrated the issues this team has in scoring goals from open play. I think it's clear by this point that the current coaching setup cannot get their ideas across to play an effective attacking style, at this level of competition at least. I don't think the likes of Allegri will be good for us and will set us even further back long term. We need to do whatever we can to secure Poch if we decide to let Ole go.

I think if any drastic action is to be taken, Ole should become Director of Football and Pochettino Manager. However, in bringing him in we would be setting ourselves up for disappointment by having somebody who has won zero with a better Spurs squad.
Really, only a manager who has won trophies in top class football should replace Ole if it happens.

if we want United to go out on a limb and left field, strangely enough given I rubbished the suggestion before, I think Eddie Howes would be an outlier that could be given a chance here. My opinion has changed because of how he has taken Bournemouth to the Premier League, a kind of miracle in this day and age.

 

[Massive Spanner]

Its not too much of a stretch to think that. SAF tactics would be on point, but he wouldnt have time for alot of these softies we have in our squad, he would be doing the same, just prob alot more ruthless.

It's an UNBELIEVABLE stretch to think that. SAF never finished below third in the league or with less than 65-70 points for feck sake.

 

[JPRouve]

If that's the criteria then why not hire back Moyes? And as for the promotions sorry that doesn't impress me when talking about a potential Man Utd manager

I'm not saying Ole is the answer (he isn't), I'm not saying he should have ever got the job in the first place (he shouldn't) but if we're going to sack him I'd want a better replacement than Eddie How (who by the way has averaged only 44 points in Bournemouth's 3 seasons in the PL)

For me the best current alternatives are Blanc and Allegri, if they are interested. They have both showed that they are good coaches but Blanc hasn't managed since 2016 and Allegri is very conservative.

 

[charlenefan]

Depends who you’re referring to and what exactly they’re saying, but on the evidence of the football we’ve watched, which is plain for all to see, something needs to change

Ok it’s a rebuild. Even Sir Alex isn’t winning a title with this lot. But we need some sort of evidence we’ve got the right man. He’s not getting the best out of his best players imo and sticking too loyal to ones who prove time after time they aren’t good enough.

And the exact same thing was true of Mourinho before Ole. All managers have their favourites and right now given how thin the squad is Ole doesn't really have the options. Last night Rashford was rushed back, not because of favouritism but we literally have no one else (unless you want to throw Greenwood in against two big physical defenders like Luiz and Sokratis)

 

[Ban]

I said Rashford has been thrown to the wolves.

And yes, we're missing Fellaini. Of course it's a problem to 'get rid' of average players if you don't adequately replace them. I'd have thought that common sense.

So you think he wanted his team to be like that?

 

[JPRouve]

It's an UNBELIEVABLE stretch to think that. SAF never finished below third in the league or with less than 65-70 points for feck sake.

And SAF wouldn't have spent 120m on the defense.

 

[mav_9me]

I want to see the vote result without having to vote

Right now with 322 votes at 41.6% Sack with 58.4% at keep.

 

[redshaw]

Doesn't look like it's working out.

He had such a good run and a poor run last season I find it hard to use for or against him and would rather look from this season onwards.

We've also had half a transfer window and it's hard to see who is more to blame. I do think Ole has wrongly put his faith in some of them while the board has not helped too.

Really the big test will come in the coming matches and up to Christmas, it should be very evident by then and expect him to be gone but we're looking at an emergency manager in the guise of a Guus Hiddink. I don't think sacking Ole and bringing Nicky Butt or something would help and I doubt any top manager would come in now and it's probably best to see who's available end of season if only Allegri is out there. He'd want a 3 year deal min and we could be missing out on someone better.

I do feel this team could work better over time this season. We have some young, new and other players who haven't played much trying to gel. James and McTom looking really good. Maybe a Jan signing or two will help. I think the board and myself would be tempted to review this at the end if we're in the top half of the table or work on getting a highly regarded up coming coach during this season. I'd let him go if we're in the bottom half for a certain time.

 

[charlenefan]

Moyes never really showed that he could do much other than keep a team consistently hovering in upper mid table for a long period of time. Howe has taken a league two team and made them one of the PL's mainstays in five years. If you can't see the difference between that and Moyes then I don't know what to say.

He is definitely still a risk, no doubt, but he would be a risk worth taking. He's young, British, plays great football and has shown he's capable of continuously improving his side year on year. Can he make the step up to a bigger club or is this his limit? Well, I don't know, there's only one way to find out.

When do these risk's stop being worth taking? Moyes was a risk - failed. LVG was a risk - failed, Mourinho was a risk - failed, Ole was a risk - failing

I realise no one is nailed on to be a success (Mourinho proved that) but if I were a betting man I'd know which way I'd put money on Howe fairing out if he was appointed

 

[Bilbo]

30/9/19 was the day I turned from giving him time to get him out. Terrible team selection again. Lingard and Rashford starting. Where was Greenwood? Where is this giving him a chance.
Terrible team selection/took too long with the changes again. The way we finished the game is how we should have started with McTom and Fred in front of the back 4 and Pogba free to roam and create. Instead Ole at the wheel would prefer to play Lingard in a number 10 role, a guy who does feck all game in game out, and Perriera on the right, another one who does absolutely nothing.

The results are shocking whatever way you look at it. Ed gets a lot of blame and rightly so for not investing more in the summer, but Ole picks the team, he is reponsible for the set up and tacitcs and coaching. Ole out and quickly

Greenwood is getting a chance. He is starting cup games and coming on to try to influence league matches. Starting a 17 year old kid every game is not the right decision here.

Agree with the point in bold however, but elsewhere I don't see what he can do differently given squad options, and even on the point in bold Fred has done very little to justify starting. I suspect its 50/50 that two games of this experiment will show us exactly why he is not doing it.

There is now a growing voice on here about Ole claiming to want to give the kids a chance but not doing so. He is doing that, and lets not forget that Rashford is still a kid too, despite playing an awful lot of football over the last few seasons (a huge contributor to his current poor form IMO). Greenwood is figuring, Tuanzebe is playing, James is playing, McTominay is playing. This is a very young team full of promising but not yet matured players.

 

[Massive Spanner]

When do these risk's stop being worth taking? Moyes was a risk - failed. LVG was a risk - failed, Mourinho was a risk - failed, Ole was a risk - failing

I realise no one is nailed on to be a success (Mourinho proved that) but if I were a betting man I'd know which way I'd put money on Howe fairing out if he was appointed

You've just answered your own question.

You asked who I'd take over Ole if he was sacked, I gave you an answer. Howe is clearly a much better manager than Ole, I don't think it's possible to dispute that, so at the very least, we'd be getting an upgrade, and at most, we could be getting a potentially top manager. Why not go for it?

You said yourself that Mourinho was probably the least risky appointment we could've made at the time and it still didn't work out, same with LvG. Moyes wasn't supposed to be a risk either given his consistency with Everton. The only one you'd argue was a real risk by the club was Ole because he has absolutely zero credentials. So even our "non-risks" have failed, what's the point in not taking risks to try get back up to the top?

 

[EireRed_GS]

It's an UNBELIEVABLE stretch to think that. SAF never finished below third in the league or with less than 65-70 points for feck sake.

True, maybe too much of an exaggeration name dropping SAF. ill backtrack on that one.. The man was a diff quality altogether.. , but im still convinced sacking Ole changes nothing. After that shambles of a transfer window anyone that thought this would be an decent season was dreaming.

 

[Caesar2290]

Its not too much of a stretch to think that. SAF tactics would be on point, but he wouldnt have time for alot of these softies we have in our squad, he would be doing the same, just prob alot more ruthless.

SAF finished second with midfield of O'Shea and Alan Smith. Hell, we even had Silvestre as a mainstay CB that season. To even imply that he would have trouble finishing Top 4 or even Top 6 is absolutely preposterous.

Replacement wise: Ten Haag, Nagelsman, Poch or even Bielsa who has a clear attacking philosophy would all be improvements.

As a sidenote: isn't it surprising how our standards have fallen... At the start of the season everyone was expecting a Top 4 finish, then a Top 6 and now there is talk about missing out on that. All of that in less than a month. Reminiscing of Moyes or Mou's last season. Not a good sign

 

[charlenefan]

For me the best current alternatives are Blanc and Allegri, if they are interested. They have both showed that they are good coaches but Blanc hasn't managed since 2016 and Allegri is very conservative.

Does it not worry you that both are more Mourinho than they are Pep? One of the main issues people have is the lack of attacking football, I dont think you get that with either of the two managers you've mentioned. I'd imagine both would be at odds with the so called current transfer policy as well

 

[charlenefan]

You've just answered your own question.

You asked who I'd take over Ole if he was sacked, I gave you an answer. Howe is clearly a much better manager than Ole, I don't think it's possible to dispute that, so at the very least, we'd be getting an upgrade, and at most, we could be getting a potentially top manager. Why not go for it?

Personally? Because I can see it being another disaster, another manager sacked within 12 months

 

[dove]

Changing managers isnt going to change a thing. Pep, Klopp.. christ even SAF would struggle in the same shoes as Ole at the minute.

You have to be joking Apparently having a good competent manager wouldn’t improve our relegation form. Only our fans can think like that, unbelievable.

 

[Ødegaard]

Voted to fire because I don't think he is or will be good enough.
He won't be fired before a replacement is available anyway.

 

[Lentwood]

I wasn't a member of this forum when Moyes was in charge, however,

- I defended LvG because I said at the time that the manager wasn't the problem, our structure was the problem and a new manager would not solve this
- I defended Jose because I said at the time that the manager wasn't the problem, our structure was the problem and a new manager would not solve this

I am now defending Ole because I believe our structure is/was the problem, HOWEVER, as I have repeatedly said elsewhere, this was our first 'good' summer in years and I believe Ole (and the Board) now have a clear vision. If we sack Ole, we're back to square one. Who cares if Ole is the man to win trophies long-term? He is here to oversee the clearout and that's what he is doing

It baffles me that posters actually think Ole and Ed thought letting Lukaku go would HELP the team - they're not bloody 6 years old or intellectually sub-normal - I am sure they realised that selling your most productive CF on transfer deadline day is not going to BENEFIT the team. Still needed to be done though! We should be complimenting Ole for having the balls to do what's necessary rather than watch his own back (which lets face it is what Jose did!)

 

[Bilbo]

When do these risk's stop being worth taking? Moyes was a risk - failed. LVG was a risk - failed, Mourinho was a risk - failed, Ole was a risk - failing

I realise no one is nailed on to be a success (Mourinho proved that) but if I were a betting man I'd know which way I'd put money on Howe fairing out if he was appointed

Eddie Howe is a promising coach for sure, but its worth noting that he has had a lot of time to build a squad that can play football how he wants to play (albeit under a limited budget at this level). Ole hasn't had that opportunity yet. He has had to start the season with the poorest squad I can remember us having since the 70's. The rebuild was necessary.

 

[owlo]

Does it not worry you that both are more Mourinho than they are Pep? One of the main issues people have is the lack of attacking football, I dont think you get that with either of the two managers you've mentioned. I'd imagine both would be at odds with the so called current transfer policy as well

When do these risk's stop being worth taking? Moyes was a risk - failed. LVG was a risk - failed, Mourinho was a risk - failed, Ole was a risk - failing

I realise no one is nailed on to be a success (Mourinho proved that) but if I were a betting man I'd know which way I'd put money on Howe fairing out if he was appointed

Personally? Because I can see it being another disaster, another manager sacked within 12 months

You're just making excuse after excuse to maintain the status quo.

You obviously agree that it's not working, but your argument seems to be 'I'm scared to change course in case we sink faster. We are currently sinking slowly and another ship may see and save us so lets just hold on.'

 

[DoomSlayer]

Personally? Because I can see it being another disaster, another manager sacked within 12 months

I give someone like Howe 6 months before getting the sack, as he isn't a renowned manager or a club legend, so fans would have even less patience.

 

[JPRouve]

Does it not worry you that both are more Mourinho than they are Pep? One of the main issues people have is the lack of attacking football, I dont think you get that with either of the two managers you've mentioned. I'd imagine both would be at odds with the so called current transfer policy as well

Blanc is pretty far from Mourinho, he favors attacking possession based football but in general no aggressive high press, if you followed Favre they are pretty close in terms of style. The issue with him is the fact that he rejected jobs to the point where clubs have stopped calling, that's a worry, he is supposed to be a very good golfer and seemingly enjoys his time out.

Allegri is conservative and I would be fed up at some point.