Ed Woodward 2019 - Until all Arctic ice melts edition

[croadyman]

Was having a conversation with my Liverpool mate the other day,he is convinced we didn't get Klopp because we wouldn't wait a year for him.

I personally think it was down to Woody selling Utd as some kind of "adult version of Disneyland" and Klopp rightfully ran a mile.

What are people's views on this matter because I am interested to know?

 

[Un4givableB]

If I was a player I’d prefer not to play for a club run by this clown unless I was only interested in money,

True

Ironically greed will be the criticism of Pogba when he eventually leaves, he will probably have to take a pay cut to get a move, if he was only interested in cash, he would stay and milk Ed.

 

[RedDevilRoshi]

All these threads on “Ole Out”, “Who should Be The New Manager” etc when in fact this fraudster should be the one in the firing line.

If Ole was to go, do you honestly think that this clown will bring the right man in, bring in a DoF to work with the manager and sort out the football infrastructure that is badly needing revamped? No f****** chance!

He should be the one in the firing line and all the anger pointed towards him first before Ole.

 

[fergiesarmy1]

All these threads on “Ole Out”, “Who should Be The New Manager” etc when in fact this fraudster should be the one in the firing line.

If Ole was to go, do you honestly think that this clown will bring the right man in, bring in a DoF to work with the manager and sort out the football infrastructure that is badly needing revamped? No f****** chance!

He should be the one in the firing line and all the anger pointed towards him first before Ole.

Exactly, replacing Ole solves nothing.

 

[red thru&thru]

All these threads on “Ole Out”, “Who should Be The New Manager” etc when in fact this fraudster should be the one in the firing line.

If Ole was to go, do you honestly think that this clown will bring the right man in, bring in a DoF to work with the manager and sort out the football infrastructure that is badly needing revamped? No f****** chance!

He should be the one in the firing line and all the anger pointed towards him first before Ole.

Yep. I just don't understand why people don't think this isn't priority?!

 

[Rhyme Animal]

All these threads on “Ole Out”, “Who should Be The New Manager” etc when in fact this fraudster should be the one in the firing line.

If Ole was to go, do you honestly think that this clown will bring the right man in, bring in a DoF to work with the manager and sort out the football infrastructure that is badly needing revamped? No f****** chance!

He should be the one in the firing line and all the anger pointed towards him first before Ole.

As pointed out many times before - it isn't mutually exclusive.

They both deserve to go.

Neither are anywhere near good enough at their jobs regarding footy.

 

[R'hllor]

This prick and his cnut owners have to go but stop putting EW and Ole in same bucket and stop pretending that you dont understand the issues people have, when it comes to Ole the United manager. fecking hell sometimes its like dealing with politicians in here.

 

[RedDevilRoshi]

As pointed out many times before - it isn't mutually exclusive.

They both deserve to go.

Neither are anywhere near good enough at their jobs regarding footy.

Fair enough but what I’m trying to say is that our problems stem much further than the manager.

Woodward should be at the firing line way, way before Ole. If anyone is to lose their job or have it severely scrutinised, it is that fraudster of a man.

People wanting the likes of Pochettino, Nagglesman etc brought in but do you honestly think they will be a success here working under this present infrastructure? Absolutely no chance. Even Guardiola would struggle to work under this infrastructure. Under any new manager working under this setup, we will have a honeymoon period like you get when you hire a new guy in, everything will look all happy clappy, saying we are back etc but then all of a sudden when that one bad result comes then all s*** will hit the pan. That’s what has happened in the past under all the managers Woodward has appointed.

Woodward is the reason we’ve got into such a big mess.

Sorry don’t take this the wrong way as it’s nothing personal against you but I’m just sick and tired of seeing all these Ole Out threads when the real truth is, our problems lie way more than who the manager is and the blame should be pointed directly at Ed’s doorstep for this mess.

 

[fergiesarmy1]

Fair enough but what I’m trying to say is that our problems stem much further than the manager.

Woodward should be at the firing line way, way before Ole. If anyone is to lose their job or have it severely scrutinised, it is that fraudster of a man.

People wanting the likes of Pochettino, Nagglesman etc brought in but do you honestly think they will be a success here working under this present infrastructure? Absolutely no chance. Even Guardiola would struggle to work under this infrastructure. Under any new manager working under this setup, we will have a honeymoon period like you get when you hire a new guy in, everything will look all happy clappy, saying we are back etc but then all of a sudden when that one bad result comes then all s*** will hit the pan. That’s what has happened in the past under all the managers Woodward has appointed.

Woodward is the reason we’ve got into such a big mess.

Sorry don’t take this the wrong way as it’s nothing personal against you but I’m just sick and tired of seeing all these Ole Out threads when the real truth is, our problems lie way more than who the manager is and the blame should be pointed directly at Ed’s doorstep for this mess.

Indeed, the 5th man will be a success under Woodward is a fallacy.

No man will, he needs to go first.

 

[Eric's Seagull]

Exactly, replacing Ole solves nothing.

Your right. By replacing Ole it means that we have to start another rebuild and when manager 'x' comes in he might decide that he wants a new set of players and we are in the same boat.

With Woodward not learning from his mistakes and thinking that he can just replace the manager and it will be alright which I believe isn't working. He needs to sort the structure out, I hope Ole stays here a while but I dont believe he has been given a good enough platform to rebuild from, which I think Woodward may not do for the next manager.

Also when Woodward replaces Ole I think the new manager would want a significant transfer kitty which Woodward may or may not want to give them, which I doubt.

 

[Moiraine]

Watching Bayern Munich beating spurs, totally outclassing them actually hurts. It makes me realize how our club has gone wrong in every department of football. We should never have allowed other teams to get ahead of us, given our finances and the money we have invested. The footballing matters are in the hands of a commercial expert who has caused severe damage to this club already. First he appointed LVG and hoped to achieve something which was not there, was never possible. We have been stuck in Limbo ever since. Our footballing philosophy was totally different, the DNA was different, he tried to change it which should never have been allowed in the first place.

Now United have taken another wrong direction by not going for top non-British talent and only preferring British Players. They are not good enough anymore to win the Premier League no matter what squad United can assemble. Any European Success is just a dream...

There will be worse times ahead if this man remains in charge of footballing matters. Next season will definitely be a relegation fight (if not this season) if the structure of the club is not rectified.

How hard it is to get rid of Ed, or at least, separate him from footballing matters completely, who will call this shot ?

 

[Im red2]

United are suffering under the control of Ed Woodward, as soon as we get rid of him things will start to improve. But he is not willing to leave without a fight.

 

[Forevergiggs1]

As pointed out many times before - it isn't mutually exclusive.

They both deserve to go.

Neither are anywhere near good enough at their jobs regarding footy.

In a nut shell.

 

[Class of 63]

United are suffering under the control of Ed Woodward, as soon as we get rid of him things will start to improve. But he is not willing to leave without a fight.

There's no way of knowing that, they might actually get worse, and who are you going to blame then, the Manager, the players maybe??

 

[Marcus]

The calculations are simple. It is cheaper to keep sacking managers and paying them their severance fees than to actually financially back the managers to buy the players they think they need to succeed. The only time this merry-go-round ends or this gravy-train gets derailed is if United get relegated.

 

[red thru&thru]

There's no way of knowing that, they might actually get worse, and who are you going to blame then, the Manager, the players maybe??

There's no way of knowing it won't improve, until he has gone!

 

[Thisistheone]

This is the thing with Woodward & the board, we just go from one idea to another. LvG to Jose was a massive change. The latest idea is youth, speed & UK players with Ole. How long til Woodward & co change their mind again and go for Allegri and the pragmatic approach. Round in circles we go. Ripping up squads, giving the big money to spend, but ultimately without a long term vision, the money might as well be thrown away.

You look at the way City prepared for the arrival of Pep and how they've already planned his successor with someone who has similar ideas on football, like van Bronkhurst. The two clubs are night and day on and off the pitch.

 

[Thisistheone]

There's no way of knowing that, they might actually get worse, and who are you going to blame then, the Manager, the players maybe??

It obviously never happened but what if Woodward was told back in 2013 to stick to his commercial duties, which he's good at, and the Glazers had installed a team of world class football men at the top, similar to what City did with Txiki Begiristain & Ferran Soriano?

Surely you'd fancy things would have gone a lot better for the club than this? I mean, it's hard to imagine how anyone could do worse considering our resources.

 

[red thru&thru]

It obviously never happened but what if Woodward was told back in 2013 to stick to his commercial duties, which he's good at, and the Glazers had installed a team of world class football men at the top, similar to what City did with Txiki Begiristain & Ferran Soriano?

Surely you'd fancy things would have gone a lot better for the club than this? I mean, it's hard to imagine how anyone could do worse considering our resources.

Exactly. There's no coincidence Ed was successful on the commercial side of things and soon as he started to overlook the footballing side of things, the football dipped. He's a business man. His main men around him are all business men. He has no actual footballing men advising him, within the official structure of the club.

 

[RedDevilRoshi]

Exactly. There's no coincidence Ed was successful on the commercial side of things and soon as he started to overlook the footballing side of things, the football dipped. He's a business man. His main men around him are all business men. He has no actual footballing men advising him, within the official structure of the club.

This is what needs to be addressed way more than the manager.

It’s been a complete mess way before Ole came in and doesn’t matter if Ole goes and who we bring in next, it’ll just be the same old s***, different guy in charge.

As the poster you quoted mentioned, City were preparing for Guardiola’s arrival way before he was officially appointed. The owners had already brought in the likes of Bergstein & Soriano, guys that he enjoyed so much success with at Barca. The way Guardiola had his Barca team playing was the exact same blueprint they wanted the City team to be like. We don’t have no structure or vision. Just wanting to get back to the top but no plan on how too. Just hoping overnight, everything clicks and both City & Liverpool suffer a major meltdown.

 

[Phil Osophy]

This is the thing with Woodward & the board, we just go from one idea to another. LvG to Jose was a massive change. The latest idea is youth, speed & UK players with Ole. How long til Woodward & co change their mind again and go for Allegri and the pragmatic approach. Round in circles we go. Ripping up squads, giving the big money to spend, but ultimately without a long term vision, the money might as well be thrown away.

You look at the way City prepared for the arrival of Pep and how they've already planned his successor with someone who has similar ideas on football, like van Bronkhurst. The two clubs are night and day on and off the pitch.

100 % agreed.

 

[red thru&thru]

This is what needs to be addressed way more than the manager.

It’s been a complete mess way before Ole came in and doesn’t matter if Ole goes and who we bring in next, it’ll just be the same old s***, different guy in charge.

As the poster you quoted mentioned, City were preparing for Guardiola’s arrival way before he was officially appointed. The owners had already brought in the likes of Bergstein & Soriano, guys that he enjoyed so much success with at Barca. The way Guardiola had his Barca team playing was the exact same blueprint they wanted the City team to be like. We don’t have no structure or vision. Just wanting to get back to the top but no plan on how too. Just hoping overnight, everything clicks and both City & Liverpool suffer a major meltdown.

Agree. But for some reason, some just aren't willing to accept the change that is needed and we have to move with the times.

 

[Rhyme Animal]

The fans need to start making clear just how loathed this anti-football cretin actually is...

Imagine someone rocking up at Real, Barca, Liverpool, Chelsea, Bayern, even City and pulling what he's doing to United!

We must become more vocal on the subject of Woodward - and we must do so every fecking match. He has to be driven away from the football side of the club.

He's ruining everything about the club, and also unraveling everything Fergie did for our status.

Get Woodward out.

 

[Class of 63]

It obviously never happened but what if Woodward was told back in 2013 to stick to his commercial duties, which he's good at, and the Glazers had installed a team of world class football men at the top, similar to what City did with Txiki Begiristain & Ferran Soriano?

Surely you'd fancy things would have gone a lot better for the club than this? I mean, it's hard to imagine how anyone could do worse considering our resources.

Why would the Glazers fix something that wasn't broke in 2013? If they started bringing football men in the fans would have been up in arms that they were interfering.

And forget City, what they did was on the back of unlimited money, nobody has ever done what they did previously, and it's unlikely ever to happen again, do you think Txiki, Ferran and Pep knew that Manchester City were actually a football club when they were growing up, unless one of them had read the Guinness Book of Records and noted that City had the tallest floodlights in England/Europe they wouldn't.

 

[Class of 63]

There's no way of knowing it won't improve, until he has gone!

Can't argue with that.

But say he does go and thing get worse, will you come back on here and say we should have kept Ed?

 

[Gehrman]

Tbh I'm just sick of Woodward being the face of our club. For 26 years it was Fergie. Now it's this little red faced accountant.

 

[Water Melon]

The fans need to start making clear just how loathed this anti-football cretin actually is...

Imagine someone rocking up at Real, Barca, Liverpool, Chelsea, Bayern, even City and pulling what he's doing to United!

We must become more vocal on the subject of Woodward - and we must do so every fecking match. He has to be driven away from the football side of the club.

He's ruining everything about the club, and also unraveling everything Fergie did for our status.

Get Woodward out.

Protests and banners during games would draw a lot of attention and publicity.

 

[red thru&thru]

Can't argue with that.

But say he does go and thing get worse, will you come back on here and say we should have kept Ed?

But say he goes and we become a force in European football once again and we win unprecedented amount of trophies, would you say we shouldn't have got rid of Ed?

 

[Class of 63]

This is the thing with Woodward & the board, we just go from one idea to another. LvG to Jose was a massive change. The latest idea is youth, speed & UK players with Ole. How long til Woodward & co change their mind again and go for Allegri and the pragmatic approach. Round in circles we go. Ripping up squads, giving the big money to spend, but ultimately without a long term vision, the money might as well be thrown away.

You look at the way City prepared for the arrival of Pep and how they've already planned his successor with someone who has similar ideas on football, like van Bronkhurst. The two clubs are night and day on and off the pitch.

Jose has done such a number on so many of our fans - players are flexible/adaptable you know, and more so now that ever before.

We went from the Doc, sod defending it's for wimps, everybody attack and keep attacking till you fall or the referee blows the final whistle, to Dave Sexton(who was before his time tactical wise)who was basically the opposite, but apart from slight tinkering he used the same players.

 

[red thru&thru]

Jose has done such a number on so many of our fans - players are flexible/adaptable you know, and more so now that ever before.

We went from the Doc, sod defending it's for wimps, everybody attack and keep attacking till you fall or the referee blows the final whistle, to Dave Sexton(who was before his time tactical wise)who was basically the opposite, but apart from slight tinkering he used the same players.

Maybe as not as much as you believe.

 

[Amir]

We must become more vocal on the subject of Woodward - and we must do so every fecking match. He has to be driven away from the football side of the club.

The problem with making changes in the squad is the man making them, the manager.

The problem with replacing the manager is the man appointing the new one, the CEO.

The problem with replacing the CEO will be the people selecting the new one, the owners.

At the end of the day, it all comes down to the Glazers. They call the shots.

 

[Sunny Jim]

Tbh I'm just sick of Woodward being the face of our club. For 26 years it was Fergie. Now it's this little red faced accountant.

 

[Thisistheone]

Why would the Glazers fix something that wasn't broke in 2013? If they started bringing football men in the fans would have been up in arms that they were interfering.

And forget City, what they did was on the back of unlimited money, nobody has ever done what they did previously, and it's unlikely ever to happen again, do you think Txiki, Ferran and Pep knew that Manchester City were actually a football club when they were growing up, unless one of them had read the Guinness Book of Records and noted that City had the tallest floodlights in England/Europe they wouldn't.

The fans could moan all they like, we are moaning now.

Why forget City, it didn't cost them the earth to have a long term plan. It didn't cost them the earth to bring in those top guys from Barca. It hasn't cost Liverpool the earth to bring in people like Michael Edwards etc. Imagine if the Sheiks had put one of their banker mates as DoF, do you think City would be as good now? They wouldn't have Guardiola thats for sure, since Txiki & Ferran were key to getting him.

Would Liverpool have Klopp if John Henry had put one of his banker buddies as Dof?

Why put Woodward in such a powerful role? It's been a disaster and its probably going to get worse.

 

[Class of 63]

But say he goes and we become a force in European football once again and we win unprecedented amount of trophies, would you say we shouldn't have got rid of Ed?

Probably not, and I might even take some of my Ed Woodward posters down, and my Ed inflatable will probably end up in the attic

 

[romufc]

United are suffering under the control of Ed Woodward, as soon as we get rid of him things will start to improve. But he is not willing to leave without a fight.

There are no signs of him leaving either, instead he keeps getting a bonus. It seems United have a different business model to others. Better players get renewal on contracts in final year letting agents blackmail them and reward the under performing people like Woodward etc.

 

[romufc]

The fans could moan all they like, we are moaning now.

Why forget City, it didn't cost them the earth to have a long term plan. It didn't cost them the earth to bring in those top guys from Barca. It hasn't cost Liverpool the earth to bring in people like Michael Edwards etc. Imagine if the Sheiks had put one of their banker mates as DoF, do you think City would be as good now? They wouldn't have Guardiola thats for sure, since Txiki & Ferran were key to getting him.

Would Liverpool have Klopp is John Henry had put one of his banker buddies as Dof?

Why put Woodward in such a powerful role? It's been a disaster and its probably going to get worse.

The Glazers dont understand that in football having a Banker might mean you make profit on paper but in relative terms you make a loss.

In football success on the pitch bring more than having a banker, if you want proof look at Spurs and Liverpool finances since they started doing well. It is a direct correlation.

 

[red thru&thru]

Probably not, and I might even take some of my Ed Woodward posters down, and my Ed inflatable will probably end up in the attic

Hahaha.

But yea, it is hard to know what will happen if Ed remains or leaves. But what is evident, since he's been in charge, it just isn't good enough, so the only thing you can is put in a change. There's multiple scenario's I've personally mentioned how it could possibly work with Ed still in his job but only way to find out is, if anyone of the scenario's are put in place.

 

[el3mel]

It'll be ridiculous if Woodward survives this this time but he would. The club doesn't care much about results or winning anymore. As long as Woodward is bringing money to their pocket he'll keep his job. It looks from his last quotes he thinks last summer was great and everything is in a good place, doubt this idea just jumped to his mind on his own. Glazers are happy with him and they don't give a feck about football anymore.

 

[MUFC OK]

He is there for as long as he/glazers want him to be. They trust him after he masterminded their takeover of the club (bought on leveraged debt). We will not excel with him at the helm - nothing we can do about it.

 

[Thisistheone]

Jose has done such a number on so many of our fans - players are flexible/adaptable you know, and more so now that ever before.

We went from the Doc, sod defending it's for wimps, everybody attack and keep attacking till you fall or the referee blows the final whistle, to Dave Sexton(who was before his time tactical wise)who was basically the opposite, but apart from slight tinkering he used the same players.

The proof is the team we see today & our record in the transfer market. Thats why we have what, 900m spent since 2013 or whatever the figure Nevile said the other night? and a team thats massively unbalanced and sub standard. 900m spent and we have a non existant midfield and the worst strike force in 30 years. Liverpool came from a far weaker position in 2013, spent less and did not just overtake us, but left us miles behind. Miles.

If we had any smarts, we'd bring someone or more than one person in like City did with the barca boys, plan a long term strategy and target the next great manager, like Nagelsmann or whoever the next super manager is. These guys get paid millions a year to know what us fans don't. ...Or we can stick with Woodward and be reactive like the last 6 years. This is Manchester United, there's no excuse for us not having the very best in charge of football matters. So is Ed Woodward one of the best football brains in the world?