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Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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If it was a mess I still would have stuck with Ole.
But this is full blown crisis and need an emergency response, on the double.
But this is full blown crisis and need an emergency response, on the double.
I don’t know, we don’t know, it’s not our fecking job to know, but all we know is the performances on the pitch are in fecking free fall!
The best I think we can hope for is someone like Poch (unlikely), a new manager bump, then a massive spend in January, the spend we should have done in the summer (unlikely).
Club Legend with pure Manchester United DNA is not necessarily a competent manager. It’s a big joke boasting about past glory as an excuse for poor coaching ability and experience. He sold Lukaku and Sanchez for no replacement. He concluded he has the best team and no need to buy better players. He should start from level 2 or 3 coaching like Lampard to prove himself first.
100% this. I would have sympathy for Ole if he wasn’t given an opportunity to sign more players. I sense he trusted the youngsters. Otherwise why else would you sell Lukaku the last day of the season and then let Sanchez go if you know you are already short of strikers?
The results are poor and he needs a win in the next couple of matches, but the bolded is not true and has been debunked 100 times.
Should never have got the job permanently in the first place. When it was officially announced the wheels had begun to fall off as United had lost their previous 2 games. Its alright having support for a club legend but he is out of his depth as a manager All those that keep supporting him do realise that United could easily slip into a relegation battle if this continues. Its not just this season either, this goes back to the end of March. Since then they are averaging just over a point a game. Relegation form.
I'd agree, sadly. I loved having Ole back at the club, and up to the PSG game last season it was wonderful. But as pretty much everyone agrees now, the board should never have made him permanent so quickly. It's a real shame, but I can't see anyway back for Ole at this point. We look absolutely lost everytimet we set foot on the pitch.
But if we do sack OGS, I really want a DoF before any new manager is appointed.
What is Gus Hiddink doing nowadays? He's already steadied one sinking ship and he probably won't demand a contract beyond the end of the season to come here.
Fans may not like his football but I would take Allegri. Our defence is the only strength in our squad at the moment. He will get that sorted and hopefully steady the ship. Plus he’s available. If we don’t give him a long term contract we can get rid when our real target is available.
Ole has over optimism about academy but the reality is academy is not producing good technically sound players.. for whatever reason. And second, they all are too young to compete for PL title or even top 4 finish.
You can't keep blindly following something hoping for a light at the end of the tunnel. We faced a relegation club that are probably run worse than us and we couldn't muster up anything bar a Maguire header. We are heading towards one of our worst finishes in years and playing some horrendous football. Was there anything positive to take from today's match?
It’s not experiment, it’s a strategy. The board, particularly the Woodward regime, have made a lot of mistakes, but for the first time they actually have plan.
The strategy seems to revolve around building a young British core. They made good progress this summer with the three players we signed, but was it perfect? feck no. But it’s idiotic to expect them to fix everything in one transfer window.
Sack Ole now, and the board are admitting they don’t have the stomach to see a plan through. Which manager in the right mind would want to work in a regime like this?
Or just go, never to be seen again, now that really would be a turning point for the club.
I would be stunned if Ole sanctioned all those departures in the full knowledge that he would only get the three players he did, I fully believe he expected more were joining.
Why?
Exactly. You give him at least 3 years, preferably more, to show what he can do. The key word is 'patience'.
The big difference is they aren’t tested at all at this level. The Chelsea youngsters were loaned out for more than one season in some cases, and they have been able to compete. We have promoted 4-5 youngsters with absolutely no first team experience. Plus promoting players like Rashford, McTom and Pereira to senior level when 1) they also have a lack of first team experience / responsibility 2) aren’t good enough to be senior players.
Pogba and Martial come back and stay healthy the rest of the year.
Seriously, even Pep couldn't do well with a midfield consisting of Fred, Pereira, Mata and McTominay. None of those players are good enough.
We all said prior to the season that it would take multiple transfer windows to undo the damage bc of poor purchases over the past 5 years. It takes talent to win. Ole isn't the root of the problem-- it's Woodward. But Ole needed to get off to a better start-- and silly points dropped to Newcastle, Palace and Southampton have put him under pressure.
That said, a club like United should be aiming for a top 5 or top 10 at the worst as manager of their club. Ole is obviously not a top 10 manager.
It's weird. Ole isn't good enough for a club like United, but on the flip side, who out there is available AND would want the job? Seriously, which manager out there would be chomping at the bit to manage United and work with Woodward? They would only sign for United for the money. Money is important, bc United lose a fair chunk if they miss the Champions League this year.
So--- do you sign Allegri to finish the season and offer him a 10mm pound bonus if he qualifies for the Champions League? He is tactically strong and Pogba did well under him. He would give the club a boost and I feel, he would give United a better shot to win the Europa League or finish top 4 than Ole. Allegri probably wouldn't want to be here more than 1 season anyway as he can probably get better offers elsewhere.
Move Ole to the director of football---- and this is a dream scenario for Woodward. He upgrades the manager, moves Ole to the DoF and relieves a little pressure on himself. Is Ole good enough for the DoF job? It doesn't matter. Woodward would do it just to stop taking so much heat for his incompetence on the footballing side. He can point out that Ole's 3 summer signings have so far performed well, and that the DoF is where he is better suited.
Would Ole want the role? He'd probably take it till the end of the season, who knows. Maybe not, but if he says no, then Woodward can be like, see, I tried to fill the DoF role.
TLDR: Ole wasn't good enough before the season started. Allegri coming in to finish the season may be the best bet for all parties involved if United's board desires to win the Europa League.
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Those youngsters are not poor players and can look good in a proper system. Blackett, McNair and even Borthwick Jackson all looked good under Van Gaal because they came into a team that had a system. Bloody Matty Longstaff looked great today against the shambles that Ole is in full control over.
Presumably because we're needlessly nostalgic. The idea that Solskjaer should be DoF is one of the worst and weirdest things I've seen paraded on here.Why?
We should just get rid of him, he's doing a terrible job and we're not going anywhere under him. He doesn't need time because he's a rubbish manager.
Sack him sadly. Given time, he'll relegate us! Who will replace him? God knows! What a mess
This. Enough is enough.
Didn’t we all want rid of them all aside from Herrera? Sorry but we’ve made our bed we need to lye in it now. We just have to struggle on till we can get some more players in and the board needs to get their hand in their pocket and spend what ever it takes to get the right players/characters in this team. Oles got a 100 % hit rate so far in signings as far as I’m concerned. He’s shipped out half the shit no one liked. Got rid of de gea’s fluffer and is even getting a new physio in cos the one we’ve got has probably the worst record in the prem.
Managers have to earn patience. You don’t give someone 3 years because that’s the done thing to do. We will have a relegation scrap on our hands this season at this rate.
And anyway we can still continue with the British core without Solskjaer. Put a DOF in place to target signings. Tell the next manager you would prefer British and younger players. Get a manager in with those ideals anyway.
All the statistics and evidence prove Solskjaer isn’t up for the job. Even with injuries I expect the team to be able to create more than one shot on target against Newcastle and Alkmaar. And then we have the manager saying in his post match interview ‘we are creating chances’.
This. Why give him a job he is even less qualified for?Why?
True, whoever is his replacement will get fecked over by Ed and the cycle continues
I said it’s the Glazers. I never said I wanted him.You have to be kidding me.
The guy is clueless and you want to promote him ?
He will be seriously unpopular. Doesn't make sense for them.
I think I’d keep him for now. He has been naive in the transfer window and by thinking his squad is good enough. But I believe he will get the mentality back at our club over a few windows. Whether or not I can last that long I don’t know.
What qualifications are required exactly? What qualifications did Txiki Begiristain have when he became DOF at Barca?
Yeah, mate, in the Championship!
Then why did we sack Jose? Why didn't he finish the season with us? Was it because the performances were poor and the players disliked him?
You don't give a manager 3 years when you can see the ship sinking regardless if there is a "plan". I would give Ole time if I can see something, but what positives can you take from this season. If we don't get a worldie or a pen we look absolutely devoid of any ideas on how to score. Ole has to take the blame for how the side are set up. Both Lingard and Mata have flattered to deceive in the 10 role, yet we continue with them in that position. Why he hasn't decided to change the formation, or go back to the formation that made the fans want him to have the job in 433.
Eddie Howe would seem to be the obvious choice.
Basically Solskjaer but (sort of) proven.
You won't do any better.
Basically Solskjaer but (sort of) proven.
You won't do any better.
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Players were identified in the summer and we were looking for five players even before Lukaku was sold. Ed ran out of time again and only signed three players, two very good defenders and a young winger. Not enough by a long way. We had a weak attack with an almost total lack of creative attacking players and goalscorers and we didn't sign a creator and sold our main striker without replacing him. We knew this at the start of the season, people are choosing to forget this now that they want someone to blame since Woodward's beyond peoples reach.
You really want to see us in the Championship do you?
Yay, we'll stay up with 43.
People who are still supporting him are either:
1) Hopeless romantics who want a legend to succeed here.
2) As clueless as Ole regarding the mentality and ability required at a big club.
3) Opposition fans.
Absolutely needs to. In fact, put a job out for Neville. We need to stop hearing his shi*e while we are at this.
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