Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)

[Foxbatt]

The squad is thin because he let too many players go without replacing them.
I am sure if he told Woodward that if we don't replace the players we could be in a relegation battle he would have bought the players.
Honestly we could have done without buying Maguire if we strengthened our midfield. Lukaku is scoring for Inter so it's something wrong with United and the way we play.
If we don't replace Ole we could be relegated the way this is panning out.

 

[Member 90887]

I was prepared for a season of ups and downs, currently it just seems like downs. When do we get to the good bit. Next 6 fixtures;

Pool (H)
Partizan (A)
Norwich (A)
Chelsea (A)
Bournemouth (A)
Partizan (H)

I'm not even confident about the Norwich and Bournemouth games, let alone the others. Next win for me is Partizan at home in November.

Yeah, the board is probably gonna cave and sack him at the end of the chelsea game. If that's the case, they should make up their mind quickly and do it this international break or stick with him no matter what and let him finish the year and have at least the january transfer window.

 

[manunited1919]

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More than half the people think Ole should keep his job?

You need to remember there are also fans from other teams in this forum. Plus, many fans will avoid the CAF after a loss like we just had, due to all the negativity flying around.

 

[Devil81]

Changed my vote tonight, we're not even creating chances against the relegation favourites.

We need to give a manager a few months to know his squad before investing in the next window. Ole is actually dragging us into a relegation battle.

 

[MonkeysMagic]

It always amazes me how some people never learn from past events that point to the blindingly obvious in the face:

Moyes was never a manager for Utd, sack him after 6 months or 10 months made no difference but made the fans suffer for longer.

LVG was never a its manager, sack him after 1 year or 2 years made no difference but made the fans suffer for longer.

Mourinho was supposedly the right manager for Utd (some disagreed), sack him after 2 seasons or 2.5 seasons made no difference but made the fans suffer for longer.

Ole never has and never will be the standard of a Utd manager, sack him now or the end of the season will make no difference (bar perhaps relegation dogfight) but will make the fans suffer for longer.

 

[C'est Moi Cantona]

Felt for him in the interview, he could only keep saying we/they/us, are 'working hard', there are no answers, and he knows it.

I just want to know who had the last say on not replacing Lukaku, and not signing a midfielder, and it was just so obvious that this could happen.

 

[diarm]

Ok. So you think him and the coaching staff are the only thing that aren’t an issue at the club?

Or are him/they part of Club Structure?

So literally everything besides him?

I think without a cohesive club structure behind the scenes, no coaching team are going to be effective in modern football. We sack a coach and bring a new one in, we sell players and bring new ones in, we change formations, promote youth, rely on experience - we keep trying all these short term fixes and we keep seeing the same shit. Moyes, Van Gaal, Mourinho, Solskjaer - eventually we keep reverting back to a clueless football team who don't know how they're supposed to be playing - who don't care enough or who aren't focused enough.

I'm not here trying to pretend Solskjaer is the best football manager we could have, but there is nobody out there who is going to come in and fix this mess on his own.

I'll say it til I'm blue in the face - but you can't be a successful modern football club if your idea of a club structure is to keep trying managers until a Sir Matt Busby or a Sir Alex Ferguson comes along. Pep doesn't do what he does without the proper structure behind him, nor does Klopp at Liverpool or any of the other successful coaches around the world. We need an overhaul and until that happens, Ole may as well be there for as long as he can stomach it - he isn't the overriding problem and doesn't deserve to be sacked by a club that owes him far more than he owes us.

 

[G-manc]

Sack - sick of his post match comments like we've been unlucky.

'We've played the same way and stuck to our principles'. He actually thinks we're an attacking team.

 

[VP89]

QUESTION FOR EVERYONE WHO ARE VOTING SACK.

Who would you replace him with?

Any proven coach at this rate. I'd genuinely take Tony pulis at this fecking rate because he can survive a relegation battle.

Allegri can walk in, Blanc can walk in, fecking anyone but Ole.

 

[simplyared]

As much as I love Ole and believed in the intent of what he was trying to achieve, I think he is a dead man walking. The squad is paper thin which doesn’t help but results at the moment are that bad, confidence is non existent and with no sign of improvement on the pitch, I just can’t see him turning it around.

Think this latest defeat might be his last or if not the Liverpool game will be.

Before the Liverpool game please. Spare him, enough is enough!

 

[Bobcat]

So we get a new manager. What happens if he loses 6 games? Highly likely if he had to pick from the players available to Ole today.

Seriously, we started something in the summer which will take some time to complete. Are people really shocked that without some key players we are rubbish? Our 1st eleven is decent. Top 6 quality , just. But when Lukaku and Sanchez left, it should have been clear as day that we are writing off this season. Trimming the fat to prepare for proper investment next year. No excuses from the club now. Plan early and spend well.

Importantly though. We should not be sacking another manager before we get a DoF in.

That's fair enough and i have backed Ole so far, but even considering the state of the squad and our injuries, both the results and the football at display has simply been shocking after that great run in the start. Woody and the board are clearly a problem, but that does not exonerate Ole either. I truly wish it was different and i want to hope he can turn this around, but there is simply no hope in sight at the moment

 

[Code-CX]

QUESTION FOR EVERYONE WHO ARE VOTING SACK.

Who would you replace him with?

I wish this question would just die already. Literally any manager from the PL and most managers in top level European football would do better than him.

Everyone asking this question makes it seem like our club is unable to find a manager that is better than a guy who got Cardiff relegated and whose best time came at Molde.

 

[Adnan]

QUESTION FOR EVERYONE WHO ARE VOTING SACK.

Who would you replace him with?

Nagelsmann, Rose, Hutter, Tuchel, Ten Haag, Bosz, Howe etc

All the above are far more qualified to coach us than Ole. And it's painful to say, because I really do like the man and what he's done for the club. But we have to put sentiments aside for the betterment of the club we love above all else.

 

[Fauzan]

I actually agree with sourness! - it’s down to Quality! - simple. Happy to give Ole a couple more years as I’m sure he’ll turn it around.

Fair enough on giving time, but due to what? Nice bloke? Knows the club? Has a proper track record? Proven to turn things around in pressure? Might as well give any manager a run at the helm. He needs to SHOW something to deserve the trust and time some want to give him. As long as the direction of our football, desire, quality of play, results are in the right direction, he can have time despite missing CL. But for now, there's nothing to go on.

He seems out of his depth, pretty much like Moyes, and our football is at an all time worst by the looks of it.

 

[KennyBurner]

You guys need to piss of with this club legend sympathy nonsense. Ever since he got the job he has only managed 5 wins. Managing United should be on merit and not on sympathy. He needs to go because he just looks inept out there.

 

[jderbyshire]

We've been unlucky with injuries, got loads of key players out.

Yes Ole has made some mistakes, I'm not his biggest fan, but sacking him won't do us any good.

The transfer business in the summer was pathetic. We finished the window with a squad incapable of dealing with an injury crisis like this.

Where is this DOF? Why wasn't another midfielder signed at least?? Where's Lukaku's replacement??!

The club is an absolute joke-shop. But Ole is trying to rebuild this team - it's a long term project.

If we sack him now, the circus continues.

 

[LawCharltonBest]

I can sense tomorrow United will release a statement or leak to the media stating their support for Solskjaer

 

[Fooza]

I wish this question would just die already. Literally any manager from the PL and most managers in top level European football would do better than him.

Everyone asking this question makes it seem like our club is unable to find a manager that is better than a guy who got Cardiff relegated and whose best time came at Molde.

This is what I don't understand.

The only thing going for him is that his an ex-united legend as a player. Other than that, what else has he done before to even remotely justify the managerial qualities he has to get us to the top.

He isn't a good manager. simple.
Good player for us yes, but that doesn't automatically make him a top manager.

 

[Devil81]

Felt for him in the interview, he could only keep saying we/they/us, are 'working hard', there are no answers, and he knows it.

I just want to know who had the last say on not replacing Lukaku, and not signing a midfielder, and it was just so obvious that this could happen.

That's the key here isn't it, if we knew the board had let him down it would cut him some slack with the fans. If Ole himself sanctioned the transfers in the knowledge he'd be left with what he has currently, he deserves the bullet.

Woodward should have the guts to stand up and say he let Ole down.

 

[TheRedDevil'sAdvocate]

It always amazes me how some people never learn from past events that point to the blindingly obvious in the face:

Moyes was never a manager for Utd, sack him after 6 months or 10 months made no difference but made the fans suffer for longer.

LVG was never a its manager, sack him after 1 year or 2 years made no difference but made the fans suffer for longer.

Mourinho was supposedly the right manager for Utd (some disagreed), sack him after 2 seasons or 2.5 seasons made no difference but made the fans suffer for longer.

Ole never has and never will be the standard of a Utd manager, sack him now or the end of the season will make no difference (bar perhaps relegation dogfight) but will make the fans suffer for longer.

You're missing the key point here. If fans suffer for longer, the long-awaited sacking will be perceived by the disenchanted fanbase as an oasis in the desert. And Edward Woodward III will have his scapegoat and a "new beginning" to sell. Think about it, i believe it's what's still keeping many fans on here reluctant to choose the "sack" option just yet.

 

[sewey89]

QUESTION FOR EVERYONE WHO ARE VOTING SACK.

Who would you replace him with?

Blanc as caretaker and Poch at the end of the season

 

[dogwithabone]

There’s a manager down in North London primed for this job. It’s now or never, sack OGS and give Poch a five year deal with an unsackable clause in his contract. If we did this it might well take the duration to return to the top but one certainty is that we will see progression year in year out.

 

[bond19821982]

Cant believe we still have 48% supporting this clueless manager. We have 1.03 points average per game and that put us at 43 points.

If that's not relegation form, I dont know what else is.

 

[passing-wind]

Solskjaer will be out the door in no time

 

[Eckers99]

I dont wanna vote because i dont give a feck about it but can someone tell me % ratio?

If you don't give a feck, why feck around writing posts when you could you randomly pick and side and vote?

 

[dwd]

If you don't give a feck, why feck around writing posts when you could you randomly pick and side and vote?

Because he doesn't give a feck but wants to know the results. What's so difficult to understand?

 

[madzo2007]

As much as I love Ole, I don't think this is going to work out for him, it looks like its simply too much of a step up

Yes we have injuries but even with a full strength team we still look devoid of ideas and creativity.

Could a Liverpool game be the end of another United manager.

 

[sewey89]

I think without a cohesive club structure behind the scenes, no coaching team are going to be effective in modern football. We sack a coach and bring a new one in, we sell players and bring new ones in, we change formations, promote youth, rely on experience - we keep trying all these short term fixes and we keep seeing the same shit. Moyes, Van Gaal, Mourinho, Solskjaer - eventually we keep reverting back to a clueless football team who don't know how they're supposed to be playing - who don't care enough or who aren't focused enough.

I'm not here trying to pretend Solskjaer is the best football manager we could have, but there is nobody out there who is going to come in and fix this mess on his own.

I'll say it til I'm blue in the face - but you can't be a successful modern football club if your idea of a club structure is to keep trying managers until a Sir Matt Busby or a Sir Alex Ferguson comes along. Pep doesn't do what he does without the proper structure behind him, nor does Klopp at Liverpool or any of the other successful coaches around the world. We need an overhaul and until that happens, Ole may as well be there for as long as he can stomach it - he isn't the overriding problem and doesn't deserve to be sacked by a club that owes him far more than he owes us.

we don’t owe anybody anything. That’s the type of sentimental nonsense that will see us disappear for good.

Other than that, I agree with you about the hierarchy being abysmal. But there’s levels. LVG and Jose both had fleeting success with the same hierarchy.

If Ole wasn’t a club legend, he’d have been sacked in the summer.

 

[Sarni]

He will be gone soon but the whole experiment has set us back again if he’s not there to oversee what we have tried to do. Basically we got rid of multiple experienced players without buying any replacements, and then tried to stick young players on our bench and have them integrate into the team as season goes. If we now try to go for a new manager who would be supposed to take over and win, I don’t think many would be able to achieve that with this group. Our squad is completely ruined.

 

[Nou_Camp99]

Big Sam to keep us up? Feck we aren't even that far away from this scenario. Jesus wept.

Sell the club you parasites. Let someone take over who a) has a clue about football b) will fire Woodward c) wants what's best for club and themselves

 

[bond19821982]

If you don't sack him now, then we will have to hire Sam to bail us out.

 

[madzo2007]

As close as Brexit!

I hope the mess doesn't last 3 years as well!!

 

[RussellWilson]

I love the "changing the manager won't do any good" line. Yes, removing an out of depth manager to someone with CV and competency for the job will improve things. There are no indications that Ole can improve this team or players.

 

[JK-27]

Ole was brought in because he could do better than the last manager. Apparently it couldn't be any worse than when Jose was in charge. Turns out it can be a lot, lot worse.

On top of that, it is a joke that Ole sold Lukaku, agreed to pay Inter for Sanchez to not play for us, and assumed that Rashford, Martial, and Greenwood would be good enough to cover that loss.

But the worst thing, which I haven't seen many people mention, is that the same Ole also let Herrera go because he believes a midfield of McTominay, Periera, and Fred is better. Absolute madness.

 

[Danny_]

The game today could have gone either way. You can't sack someone after he has had less than a year in charge and expect things to change.

 

[MikeUpNorth]

I guess Woodward will do what he did last season and replace the manager at the start of an easier run of fixtures to give them the best chance of getting off to a good start.

My prediction is therefore Ole will be sacked after Bournemouth away, so the first fixtures for the new manager will be:
Partisan (h)
Brighton (h)
Sheffield Utd (a)
Astana (a)
Villa (h)
Spurs (h)

 

[DickDastardly]

Honestly i don't see a clear and sure way out of this mess we've gotten ourselves into.

I don't think anybody can.

But it's clear as day that Ole is not the solution.

As to what is - that's a billion dollar question.

 

[Casanova85]

For the first time I actually fear relegation. Ole out, now!

 

[Foxbatt]

Forget about the injuries. He can't coach them or get them to take even a corner. That's terrible coaching. These are not that terrible players. They may not be world class or top class players but the coaching is the biggest problem. You get even Fat Sam and he will get this team to play better. Yes it may not be the so called high pressing game. What's the point in pressing when we don't know what to do when we have the ball?
He has no clue and he has to go now before it's too late. And Phelan and the rest has to go too.

 

[JoaquinJoaquin]

Anyone who wants to keep him now is just deluded.