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Only at United a short term is 10 months.Fully agree. Way to much short-term reactionism here. Too many people here only know the Fergie years, but he's gone now and we need to rebuild not just the team but the entire club as well.
This pretty much sums up all this situation. I will always love Ole for what he did as a player for our club, his goals were vital and secured us so may points, but he's clearly out of depth.He deserves more respect but not more time. Manchester United is not a training course for average managers to learn their trade.
That's not true. LVG did the same. He dismantled the team, he added players who were meant for the long term and he relied more on kids then Ole did. It simply didn't work out. I also find this 'all his transfers were top notch' BS a bit OTT.It is quite true that he is the first manager of the lot that were hired who was prepared to embrace the pain of immediate failure to build a better squad for the longer term.
Van Gaal also spent a fortune on Di Maria, Falcao, Herrera, Shaw, Blind and Rojo in one summer as compared to the likes of Maguire, Wan Bissaka and Dan James. The plan with Van Gaal was never to rebuild but to win the league and make a run in Europe within the 3 year contract he was given.That's not true. LVG did the same. He dismantled the team, he added players who were meant for the long term and he relied more on kids then Ole did. It simply didn't work out. I also find this 'all his transfers were top notch' BS a bit OTT.
A- Maguire was Mou's man while James was recommended by Giggs
B- We don't know if his signings will be good in the long term. We had many players who started well and weren't that great afterwards (Jones, Smalling, Bailly, ADM, Ibra)
C- You don't need to be a genius to 'unearth' proven EPL expensive players.
D- Its the scouts/DOF job to find players. The manager's job is to win games.
Agreed.Of course he does, people are getting far too personal. He might not be up to the job, but he is a club legend and deserves respect for that. He has the club at heart, it might come good, none of us can see into the future.
Apart from Falcao who was supposed to be an RVP/Larsson type of signing, most of those signings were meant for the long term. LVG dismantled the team of golden oldies he fount and he bought a pool of mostly young hungry players meant for the future. Some of the players he bought started very well (Shaw, Herrera, ADM) while others needed time (Blind and Depay) which we failed to give. Not to forget that he actually played the young players regularly (Rashford for example and Mcnair) rather then simply spoke about themVan Gaal also spent a fortune on Di Maria, Falcao, Herrera, Shaw, Blind and Rojo in one summer as compared to the likes of Maguire, Wan Bissaka and Dan James. The plan with Van Gaal was never to rebuild but to win the league and make a run in Europe within the 3 year contract he was given.
Personal bile should obviously frowned upon, but his history with the club and success as a player has zero relation with his managerial position at the moment.Ive seen some pretty ridiculous comments in a few threads here now about Ole - its fair to criticise his managerial record but there is a lot of personal bile being posted against him which I was surprised by considering his history with the club and the mess he inherited
Absolutely. I didn't want him as interim and certainly not as permanent manager but there's a certain way you don't speak about him.He absolutely deserves more respect. The manner in which he is being spoken about at times is unbelievable.
This is not the bloody 1990s and other managers have literally taken single-digit number of games to make an impact. Posts and opinions like this will make Liverpool's dry spell of 30 years without a title look like a mere moment.Fully agree. Way to much short-term reactionism here. Too many people here only know the Fergie years, but he's gone now and we need to rebuild not just the team but the entire club as well.
I promise you that if some people on here had the means to do so, they would do the same.Regarding the respect the abuse everyone around the club has been getting has been toxic. Pogba getting racially abused, Ole gets personally abused as well. You already know some kid is sending abuses to Ed's family members. The criticism is great but a few cretins do go too far.
Agreed.Absolutely. I didn't want him as interim and certainly not as permanent manager but there's a certain way you don't speak about him.
Spot, fecking on.Put it like this. Solskjaer has been managing for 10 years and is what you would call a management bum. It cannot be escaped. As a player, person, legend, he is top notch and so so humble. That said, near enough every team in the league's fans would shudder if given the keys to their club because he is a bum manager in this day and age. Question is should a manager of this status be given the job of rebuilding one of the biggest clubs in the world? Literally no one else would follow this route. Occasionally you take a chance on a new manager with new ideas on the hope their freshness and novel approach may be groundbreaking. But this is lunacy. He is very, very lucky to have a job of this magnitude. Other caretaker managers actually won silverware. His management does not warrant that much respect tbh. I will give him more time because of injuries and lack of backing in the Summer. Reass the teams form when he reaches the year mark. I fully expect us to be in the top 10 by then
I would give him more time because I think his vision for the team is a good one and I think he is making progress towards it. The results are bad because our attack is so poor but I put that down to player quality. Given how good his signings have been so far I am willing to give him at least the January window to make another signing or two in this area.What's he done in the last 12 months to mean that, in your eyes, he deserves more time here?
Has he proven he's a good leader? has he proven he's tactically astute? Has he proven he's a good motivator? Has he gotten good results? Has he consistently looked like he's improving the way we play and is showing signs of implementing the sort of football we want to see? Do we look like a fitter team? Are our players performing better under him? Are we progressing or regressing as a team?
These are the questions that are generally asked when you say you want to give a struggling manager more time so I'm curious as to what your answers would be.
Ok but how do you feel he's making progress towards it? Again, are we seeing a particularly style of play or an improvement in fitness or an identity or.. ?I would give him more time because I think his vision for the team is a good one and I think he is making progress towards it. The results are bad because our attack is so poor but I put that down to player quality. Given how good his signings have been so far I am willing to give him at least the January window to make another signing or two in this area.
How is he making progress towards it? The fact that you're blaming the attack is proof that the attack isn't functioning right now in your eyes. And if Ole is supposed to be an attacking manager, how on earth has he shown us improvement in our attack if you yourself state that the attack isn't working right now? That's a contradiction.I would give him more time because I think his vision for the team is a good one and I think he is making progress towards it. The results are bad because our attack is so poor but I put that down to player quality. Given how good his signings have been so far I am willing to give him at least the January window to make another signing or two in this area.
You're right, it's not the 1990s, things have completely taken a turn for the worse and the increasingly illogical. And it's true that some managers make an impact quickly, but other, also successful managers take a lot longer - depending on whether they need evolution, or revolution with the squad and club as a whole. And it's clear that United needs the latter.This is not the bloody 1990s and other managers have literally take single-digit number of games to make an impact. Posts and opinions like this will make Liverpool's dry spell of 30 years without a title look like a mere moment.
I get it, people do not think he's a good enough manager for Manchester United. Fine. There's precious little actual evidence right now suggesting otherwise.Put it like this. Solskjaer has been managing for 10 years and is what you would call a management bum. It cannot be escaped. As a player, person, legend, he is top notch and so so humble. That said, near enough every team in the league's fans would shudder if given the keys to their club because he is a bum manager in this day and age. Question is should a manager of this status be given the job of rebuilding one of the biggest clubs in the world? Literally no one else would follow this route. Occasionally you take a chance on a new manager with new ideas on the hope their freshness and novel approach may be groundbreaking. But this is lunacy. He is very, very lucky to have a job of this magnitude. Other caretaker managers actually won silverware. His management does not warrant that much respect tbh. I will give him more time because of injuries and lack of backing in the Summer. Reass the teams form when he reaches the year mark. I fully expect us to be in the top 10 by then
He's given more respect than he deserves. Jose was called cnut while we're 2nd.I'm not on about how people have spoken purely about his ability as a manager. I'm talking about the way he is even spoken about as a person. That's where I'm saying he deserves more respect.
Ole did more for the club than Jose did. You're ridiculous if you think we're going to be more kind to Jose, the cnut. Much better manager, but no way does he deserve more respect.He's given more respect than he deserves. Jose was called cnut while we're 2nd.
If his name isnt ole gunnar solsksjaer he'd be booed out of old trafford
But his name is Ole Gunnar Solskjaer and that's why he deserves respect. That's the point of the thread.He's given more respect than he deserves. Jose was called cnut while we're 2nd.
If his name isnt ole gunnar solsksjaer he'd be booed out of old trafford
Only at United a short term is 10 months.
Nepotism is one of the worst ideas to build a foundation on.
Ole the manager won’t find a job anywhere near a top club, based on merit, if it wasn’t for his previous connections.
I don't know what vision you are seeing cos I see zilch from him. Anyone on the Cafe could have bought AWB and Maguire. Not exactly rocket science.I would give him more time because I think his vision for the team is a good one and I think he is making progress towards it. The results are bad because our attack is so poor but I put that down to player quality. Given how good his signings have been so far I am willing to give him at least the January window to make another signing or two in this area.
Ehh, what?There are probably a few reasons for this – the reliability of a United bad-news story, residual hatred from the Ferguson years and a frankly pathetic snobbery about Scandinavian football.
But that is his name. He is someone who is a United legend and while he might not be up to scratch in a managerial capacity he has always treated the club, staff, players and fans with respect himself. The way he is being vilified on a personal level is out of order in my opinion and he absolutely deserves more respect.He's given more respect than he deserves. Jose was called cnut while we're 2nd.
If his name isnt ole gunnar solsksjaer he'd be booed out of old trafford
The "doing well with Molde means feck all" sentiment, I presume.Ehh, what?
THIS.He deserves more respect but not more time. Manchester United is not a training course for average managers to learn their trade.
This.I dont believe anyone hates the mate, he's a club legend. He's just out of his depth and shouldn't be in the position he's in. That's not his fault though, it's on those who decided he was the man for the job
Why is that a scandinavian thing? It's a norwegian thing. Don't drag us danes into that.The "doing well with Molde means feck all" sentiment, I presume.