Ole Gunnar Solskjær needs more time and respect at Manchester United

[MisterLupus]

It is quite clear that some of these players have reached their ceilings. The likes of Lingard, Perreira have reached their ceilings.
Mata, Matic are all on a downward spiral whilst Rashford's being played out of position which he struggles to adapt in.

The fact that we are having to play without a recognised RW and a poor CM in Fred makes it alot harder for everyone.

I was on here in August saying there is a clear style that Ole wants to play then after the Southampton game we seemed to have changed the way we play. At West Ham we never got going, didn't press and looked tired.

This is all similar to what we saw when Ole took over where he was playing well and as soon as a few injuries hit, we reverted to type and tried to nick results.

Yup injuries hit and style changed - same as towards the end of last season. Since those few first games up until attrition hit us - it feels their focus has been not losing more so than winning. We create less than during our previous campaign - so we're looking almost as bad results-wise despite our defense, possession and work rate all being improved. Pretty much our entire buildup is wasted because we can't get those goals. It's good watching players who actually cares though - at least this season they give it their all and look genuinely distraught when it proves inadequate - which is a big step forwards compared to last season when it was plain to see that a lot of them had their heads elsewhere - acting bemused even at how poorly they performed as if it was funny to them.

Some positives some negatives - all in all I'm still on the fence in regards to this project. If we stay well clear of relegation come Christmas I'm excited about our January window. Get some decent players for our midfield and attack then I'm hoping we'll be able to match the form of our rivals the upcoming months.

 

[Foxbatt]

He gets respect but I really don't understand why anyone with any sense thinks he needs time?
I mean what has he done to show that he can manage a big club?
Why not any of the middle of the road managers around? There are plenty who have won minor leagues in small countries.
Why not Steve McLaren who has actually won a bigger league, The Dutch League with an unfancied side and coached England and was the assistant manager of SAF? It's more logical that we appoint him.

 

[SteveW]

Jesus I didn't think it even needed mentioning. We've already established he can't take credit for the most obvious of big money defensive signings. Likewise he can't take much credit for signing cheap youngsters like James who are recommended to him. Trying to save Ole's position with James is exactly the same as trying to save Mourinho's position with Dalot at this time last year. Nonsensical.

So are you going to even try to answer the question then? What has improved? Your post made it sound like it would be really easy to list off a whole swathe of areas we've made strides in not including results.

Why can't he take credit for his signings? That's stupid.

 

[Sky1981]

But that is his name. He is someone who is a United legend and while he might not be up to scratch in a managerial capacity he has always treated the club, staff, players and fans with respect himself. The way he is being vilified on a personal level is out of order in my opinion and he absolutely deserves more respect.

For what it's worth I didn't agree with the personal attacks on Jose either but with how he behaved I can see why a lot of people seriously don't like him. But Ole has treated Manchester United with respect always and he is deserving of the same from us and the club too, irrespective of how he performs in the role.

We treated him with respect dont we? Ole? Considering most people actually blamed ed and not him.

 

[momo83]

The only arguments for keeping Ole “he loves the club and wants the best for club” Cos obviously every other manager goes to clubs wanting the worse. But if “loving and wanting the best” is all it takes let’s just hire any random from the crowd.

Ole’s transfers... Yeah they been good, but how will they develop. Also what about his sales and lack of replacements.

Took SAF 4 years.... then stop talking about Ole as if he’s a fresh graduate and point to his success as a manager over the past 10 years.

He has a plan and vision... an 18 year old who gets into med school wants to be Dr’s, if 10 months later he’s dropped out of uni and doing GCSE social studies, your daughter would better off dropping him and finding a new guy.

 

[SteveW]

to my knowledge giggs was the one pushing for James. And although he started off hot as hell im a bit worried people are overrating james a bit (also ignoring the fact that he plays in the position that is rashfords only good position at the moment). He has been pretty quiet since that first stretch of his and has a ways to go before being defined as "class" in my opinion. Think if rashford had been the long term injury and not martial things might have been different.

Giggs isn't the United manager. He's Oles signing. Its incredibly stupid to pretend otherwise.

 

[SteveW]

It's a bit early to label Daniel James as a 'class winger'. He looks like he has some potential, that's for sure. I definitely like two of the three signings. But there's no point of signing Messi if you're going to manage the team like Moyes managed United. That's the point. You can't manage things on the pitch like a car crash.

Which is the one you don't like?

I think Ole is two CMs short of having something he can work with right now. Having to pick Matic, Fred, Pereira, Mata, Lingard etc is the nightmare scenario. For the first time in 30 years I look at the players available and can't put a good first 11 together.

So it's hard for me to blame the manager. Ill wait until he is alliwed sign at least one CM before passing judgement. He's 3/3 for recruitment imo. That's a big step in the right direction.

 

[Vault Dweller]

We treated him with respect dont we? Ole? Considering most people actually blamed ed and not him.

I suppose that depends on your definition of respect. In my opinion, no, as some of the stuff I have seen posted about him and names and other things he has been called have been way over the top. I might be alone in thinking that, but I would like to think I'm not.

 

[Sky1981]

I suppose that depends on your definition of respect. In my opinion, no, as some of the stuff I have seen posted about him and names and other things he has been called have been way over the top. I might be alone in thinking that, but I would like to think I'm not.

Off course in the internet world you can't have 100% of everything, but compared to Moyes/Lvg/Jose the treatment ole got is much much better. I don't think even he himself can complain.

 

[Roboc7]

I disagree. They try but the attacks break down fairly fast. City has more chances created against them then us and they are a much better team and possession based. Teams defend against us because they know how good the defense is and also that we can't create many chances when trying to break low defenses. The teams that try to play "normal" get undone, like Chelsea.

There are major positives in this season for the team but they are not evident to us the fans; we conceded wonder goals from Neves and headers from 2m tall Lindegard and that is seen in the results (also Tuanzebe bad pass vs Arsenal). The defense is genuinely good right now, something i have not seen with United since the days of Ferdinand and Vidic. The mid and attack are complete crap though, especially without Pogba and Martial.

Teams defend against us because we can’t attack not because our defence is good. They know they only have to score once and they’ll probably get at least a point, we’ve reverted to days of LVG.

The defensive stats look good because you don’t need to attack us to get results and we also don’t commit a lot of bodies forward.

City may concede more chances but they attack more and push more players forward even if they are a few goals ahead. We concede a goal to Newcastle and they don’t need to attack. Stats often don’t tell the whole story.

 

[Rafaeldagold]

What’s this lack of respect? I’ve not seen any of that. People are just creating a different narrative to get away from the real issue & fact that he’s a Shite manager who needs to go ASAP

 

[AFC NimbleThumb]

Start from a position of Ole great and everyone else bad and write an article and that's what you get. Terrible article.

There's some weird myth going on that you have to go backwards to go forward, which fortunately for the Ole in excuses all the negative indicators.

This./

There is no excuse 10 months into the job for us to be so bad; even if we allow for selling players & not replacing them adequately as some rebuild milestone. Since coming to the club, he hasn’t installed a playing style or improved players.

There’s a bunch of sanctimonious masochists on here that are hell bent on being ignorant regarding his shortcomings.

Calling OgSs tenure thus far disappointing is not disrespectful, he was telling us all he had the answers last season when our form fell off a cliff & the same questions remain.

 

[FerociousCorgis]

Giggs isn't the United manager. He's Oles signing. Its incredibly stupid to pretend otherwise.

It is incredibly stupid to think what you are saying. Different people will recommend various players, all i said was i believe giggs was the one to recommend James. Not like Ole is out there scouting these players himself and somehow doing it all. Ole supporters are grasping at so many straws to try and justify a man who was an incredible failure with cardiff- not only during their relegation battle in the premier league but as well in the following season in the championship. Who knows maybe that relegation experience will help Ole at his time with us with the relegation battle he has us in.

 

[Castia]

I like Ole, I’ve got Solskjær on the back of this years kit and was in full support coming into this new season but I must be honest it’s gone tits up. We’re getting worse by the week and when he comes out and says stuff like ‘the improvement is there to see’ you can’t help but think wtf is he talking about.

I don’t mind the loses, I knew this season would be tough and I even supported him saying we need to take a step back (moving the right players out of the club) to move forward but we have to show more on the pitch, there’s nothing in our approach to games that’s positive, I can’t see where our next 3 points comes from and fans are talking about relegation.....I mean what the feck.

We can lose games but show us something. Make it look like we’re just a few players short and a window or 2 will improve this side. We constantly look like we need 11 new players.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Today's press conference his voice sounded dead. He was saying the things you would expect him to, but there was no belief in his voice.

 

[Shark]

Us fans are being taken for fecking morons. As if the fans haven’t been respectful towards Ole, pretty much handing him a job he shouldn’t have gotten in the first place. Now we’re being rewarded with 10 months of utter, embarrassing dross and told to shut up and respect our manager while Liverpool put six past us? Go do one Woodward, you absolute clown.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Which is the one you don't like?

I think Ole is two CMs short of having something he can work with right now. Having to pick Matic, Fred, Pereira, Mata, Lingard etc is the nightmare scenario. For the first time in 30 years I look at the players available and can't put a good first 11 together.

So it's hard for me to blame the manager. Ill wait until he is alliwed sign at least one CM before passing judgement. He's 3/3 for recruitment imo. That's a big step in the right direction.

Not completely sold on Maguire. Seems good but we'll have to see given we spent 80 million on him. And James is fine as a squad player for now. He's no Mane or Salah type signing. Nobody would want him in an ideal 11.

Ole could be seen as a 3/3 on signings. I'd say 7.5 /10 is more apt. As a coach he's a 2/10 thought which is the main point. With this standard of coaching, the players he's added are having little impact because that's how it works when you can't get a tune out of your squad.

And the sympathy for him and the squad is really overplayed. Firstly it shows his extremely poor squad building management abilities that were actually in this situation. Possibly also a bad reading of players he should have known better. And secondly they're nowhere near as bad a group as his management is making them look. The hand he's supposedly been dealt is looking worse on account of his own management.

 

[FerociousCorgis]

Not completely sold on Maguire. Seems good but we'll have to see given we spent 80 million on him. And James is fine as a squad player for now. He's no Mane or Salah type signing. Nobody would want him in an ideal 11.

Ole could be seen as a 3/3 on signings. I'd say 7.5 /10 is more apt. As a coach he's a 2/10 thought which is the main point. With this standard of coaching, the players he's added are having little impact because that's how it works when you can't get a tune out of your squad.

And the sympathy for him and the squad is really overplayed. Firstly it shows his extremely poor squad building management abilities that were actually in this situation. Possibly also a bad reading of players he should have known better. And secondly they're nowhere near as bad a group as his management is making them look. The hand he's supposedly been dealt is looking worse on account of his own management.

exactly. Feel like people are just blowing up his signings to try and justify him. We havent kept many clean sheets with maguire, and he looks decent-but not sure worth the incredible amount of time and money we spent getting him. AWB is pretty strong defensively, but still hasn't helped with clean sheets either. Add to the fact that he looks pretty average at best going forward. James started hot, but seems to play just rashfords LW position best and hasn't exactly been lighting it up all around. Had some pretty good moments going forward but still obviously growing as a player.

 

[AFC NimbleThumb]

Serious question for those spouting the ‘Club Legend’ narrative. Have any of you ever been promoted at work? & if so, do your employers judge you on your achievements in your previous role or the role you’re currently employed in? & would you being unsuitable for the role you’ve been appointed to make you any less accomplished in your prior role?

We all sit & laugh at the way Graeme Souness failed as Liverpool manager, a great player doesn’t equate to a great manager.

We honestly are in the end days if people can’t be criticised for failing in their job because they were good in a former role 15/20 years ago.

To clarify, OgS was one of my favourite players [a close second to Cole].

 

[Judas]

I think he's keeping the seat warm for Poch. Maybe slightly wishful thinking, but I'm not even a big Poch fan, but he'd certainly be a massive improvement.

 

[romufc]

Serious question for those spouting the ‘Club Legend’ narrative. Have any of you ever been promoted at work? & if so, do your employers judge you on your achievements in your previous role or the role you’re currently employed in? & would you being unsuitable for the role you’ve been appointed to make you any less accomplished in your prior role?

We all sit & laugh at the way Graeme Souness failed as Liverpool manager, a great player doesn’t equate to a great manager.

We honestly are in the end days if people can’t be criticised for failing in their job because they were good in a former role 15/20 years ago.

To clarify, OgS was one of my favourite players [a close second to Cole].

But if you are promoted and asked to carry out a project with the choice of your candidates but they end up having to take time off for some reason or other, you will struggle to deliver the same results as you would if you had the ones you wanted right?

I am not saying Ole in, but injuries have hampered us alot. The only worry is it doesnt seem as if the injury situation is getting any better by the week which is slightly annoying.

 

[jackal&hyde]

Teams defend against us because we can’t attack not because our defence is good. They know they only have to score once and they’ll probably get at least a point, we’ve reverted to days of LVG.

The defensive stats look good because you don’t need to attack us to get results and we also don’t commit a lot of bodies forward.

City may concede more chances but they attack more and push more players forward even if they are a few goals ahead. We concede a goal to Newcastle and they don’t need to attack. Stats often don’t tell the whole story.

Stats tell what they tell. Not the whole story no, but they do show the obvious; and that is Man Utd nr. 1 in defense. We did not just played Newcastle btw, but also Chelsea and Leicester and Arsenal, why didn't they create a bilion chances?

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Us fans are being taken for fecking morons. As if the fans haven’t been respectful towards Ole, pretty much handing him a job he shouldn’t have gotten in the first place. Now we’re being rewarded with 10 months of utter, embarrassing dross and told to shut up and respect our manager while Liverpool put six past us? Go do one Woodward, you absolute clown.

Nah we should just keep shouting Ole's at the wheel for the next 6 years while we descend from the cliff he drove us off. Respect is fine for the player and man. As a manager he has to be held answerable

 

[Stacks]

I get it, people do not think he's a good enough manager for Manchester United. Fine. There's precious little actual evidence right now suggesting otherwise.

But.....there are tens of thousands of clubs in this world, and therefore tens of thousands of managers. With what Ole has achieved at Molde, he has achieved more than to 97/98% of all the football managers around now will ever achieve. In short, see the big picture of football clubs and management, get down from your fecking ivory tower, and promptly remove your head from your arse. Thank you.

I get it, people do not think he's a good enough manager for Manchester United. Fine. There's precious little actual evidence right now suggesting otherwise.

But.....there are tens of thousands of clubs in this world, and therefore tens of thousands of managers. With what Ole has achieved at Molde, he has achieved more than to 97/98% of all the football managers around now will ever achieve. In short, see the big picture of football clubs and management, get down from your fecking ivory tower, and promptly remove your head from your arse. Thank you.

No ivory tower here, just logic. P.S. I like the smell

 

[Greck]

Us fans are being taken for fecking morons. As if the fans haven’t been respectful towards Ole, pretty much handing him a job he shouldn’t have gotten in the first place. Now we’re being rewarded with 10 months of utter, embarrassing dross and told to shut up and respect our manager while Liverpool put six past us? Go do one Woodward, you absolute clown.

"Ye just shut ye mouth , back your manager and don't forget to buy a feckin kit on your way out"

 

[Roboc7]

Stats tell what they tell. Not the whole story no, but they do show the obvious; and that is Man Utd nr. 1 in defense. We did not just played Newcastle btw, but also Chelsea and Leicester and Arsenal, why didn't they create a bilion chances?

Chelsea actually did create a lot of chances, we’ve also played Palace, a wolves and West Ham and they didn’t have problems scoring against this great defence. We’ve only kept 2 clean sheets in the league and one of those was fortunate.

We’re a team that the opposition don’t need to attack much to win or draw the game and teams are still scoring despite this. That’s not a sign of a good defence, when you play negative and cautious football it will mean less conceded as well as less scored. That’s effectively what we are and have been prior to Ole joining, LVG has us doing exactly the same.

We all need to stop pretending there is some master plan at work here, we’ve got a very limited manager who if given time and money might get us in the top four playing pretty basic and dull football in 2-3 years time. That’s the future if Ole is to stay on, a very expensive and probably very British team that might finish 4th.

 

[AFC NimbleThumb]

But if you are promoted and asked to carry out a project with the choice of your candidates but they end up having to take time off for some reason or other, you will struggle to deliver the same results as you would if you had the ones you wanted right?

I am not saying Ole in, but injuries have hampered us alot. The only worry is it doesnt seem as if the injury situation is getting any better by the week which is slightly annoying.

Good point.

Having worked on projects though you discuss contingencies in case of changes to the origin plan.

The issue with this ‘project’ is that it relied on everything going ‘perfectly’ & didn’t allow for any variances. A contingency in this case would be having better attacking & midfield options but OgS has reported to stakeholders [fans] that he was happy to go into the season with the tools at place.

I won’t list them all but let’s look at the Curious Case of Luke Shaw, a player who is notoriously injured & will generally spend a matter of months out of the team each season; OgS had ample time where Shaw was unavailable last season & a long history of injury issues to the player but neither he nor Ed have managed to find better cover than a 34 year old, right footed, former winger.

We are a shambles of a club above management level & OgS peddling the rebuild line makes him complicit in the nonsense imo.

 

[lysglimt]

Serious question for those spouting the ‘Club Legend’ narrative. Have any of you ever been promoted at work? & if so, do your employers judge you on your achievements in your previous role or the role you’re currently employed in? & would you being unsuitable for the role you’ve been appointed to make you any less accomplished in your prior role?

We all sit & laugh at the way Graeme Souness failed as Liverpool manager, a great player doesn’t equate to a great manager.

We honestly are in the end days if people can’t be criticised for failing in their job because they were good in a former role 15/20 years ago.

To clarify, OgS was one of my favourite players [a close second to Cole].

People laught a lot about the job Souness did at Liverpool - and some of his transfers weren't good enough - but what people always conveniently forget. He took over a horribly aging side.

Grobbelaar was 34, Rush was 30, Houghton was 31, Barnes was 28 (and was injured practically the entire first season Souness was in charge - and was never the same again afterwards), Hysen was 32, Nicol was 30, Mølby was 28 (and always missed half the season with injuries) and McMahon was 30

Basically all their key-players were either 30+ or injured a lot.

So it was a Liverpool-side in rapid decline. If Souness had taken over Liverpool a few years earlier - maybe it wouldn't have turned out this way. But whoever took charge of Liverpool in 1991 was always in for a tough ride And then we can always speculate why Dalglish left in 1991

 

[lysglimt]

Good point.

Having worked on projects though you discuss contingencies in case of changes to the origin plan.

The issue with this ‘project’ is that it relied on everything going ‘perfectly’ & didn’t allow for any variances. A contingency in this case would be having better attacking & midfield options but OgS has reported to stakeholders [fans] that he was happy to go into the season with the tools at place.

I won’t list them all but let’s look at the Curious Case of Luke Shaw, a player who is notoriously injured & will generally spend a matter of months out of the team each season; OgS had ample time where Shaw was unavailable last season & a long history of injury issues to the player but neither he nor Ed have managed to find better cover than a 34 year old, right footed, former winger.

We are a shambles of a club above management level & OgS peddling the rebuild line makes him complicit in the nonsense imo.

But seriously - there were so many holes in our squad - we would have needed to sign 7-8 players of the same quality as Maguire, AWB and Jones to cover most of them. Yes we probably need a new-left back due to Shaws injuries, a new RW, 2 new central midfielders - a new striker etc etc. There are only so many holes you can cover in one transfer window. There simply is no way United would give OGS or any other manager a net spend of £200m in one window.

Of Our current squad (not counting the youngsters Garner, Greenwood, Williams, Chong or Gomes)- only 9-10 players will be United-players in 2-3 years if OGS is still manager. You may not like OGS as a manager but don't mistake him for being soft. He will Clear any player he doesn't consider good enough. But until we have more options - he can't get rid of Shaw, or Lingard, or Perreira, or Fred. But he knows they are not good enough (or too injured) to take us to the top - so they will go.

Martial will survive, DDG will, Lindelöf might, Tuanzebe probably, Martial yes, Rashford yes, McTominay yes, the 3 guys he signed in the summer yes, and Pogba if he wants to stay. Every single other player will go - I am 100% certain. If OGS is here as manager in the summer of 2021 - every other player in the first-team squad is gone.

Matic, Fred, Perreira, Lingard, Shaw, Dalot, Jones, Smalling, Sanchez, Mata, Rojo, Young - and most likely Bailly.

Firing OGS now is simply stupid - he might not be good enough to take us to the top - but at the moment he is doing everything else right. He is signing the right players, he is extending contracts with every single young player (Just Gomes to go) and he is slowly building a Foundation that will make the job a hell of a lot easier for whoever takes over his job.

 

[FerociousCorgis]

But seriously - there were so many holes in our squad - we would have needed to sign 7-8 players of the same quality as Maguire, AWB and Jones to cover most of them. Yes we probably need a new-left back due to Shaws injuries, a new RW, 2 new central midfielders - a new striker etc etc. There are only so many holes you can cover in one transfer window. There simply is no way United would give OGS or any other manager a net spend of £200m in one window.

Of Our current squad (not counting the youngsters Garner, Greenwood, Williams, Chong or Gomes)- only 9-10 players will be United-players in 2-3 years if OGS is still manager. You may not like OGS as a manager but don't mistake him for being soft. He will Clear any player he doesn't consider good enough. But until we have more options - he can't get rid of Shaw, or Lingard, or Perreira, or Fred. But he knows they are not good enough (or too injured) to take us to the top - so they will go.

Martial will survive, DDG will, Lindelöf might, Tuanzebe probably, Martial yes, Rashford yes, McTominay yes, the 3 guys he signed in the summer yes, and Pogba if he wants to stay. Every single other player will go - I am 100% certain. If OGS is here as manager in the summer of 2021 - every other player in the first-team squad is gone.

Matic, Fred, Perreira, Lingard, Shaw, Dalot, Jones, Smalling, Sanchez, Mata, Rojo, Young - and most likely Bailly.

Firing OGS now is simply stupid - he might not be good enough to take us to the top - but at the moment he is doing everything else right. He is signing the right players, he is extending contracts with every single young player (Just Gomes to go) and he is slowly building a Foundation that will make the job a hell of a lot easier for whoever takes over his job.

calling the firing of a coach who is achieving the same with us as he did with cardiff stupid is frankly 10x as dumb. Why the hell does Ole have these low standards? Oh because he was a good player for us. That has zero bearing on this club right now. We have a decent shout of being in a relegation spot by the end of the month and heading towards christmas break. Let that sink in for a bit and then come back. We look lost as a team and that goes down to the manager who has only been a non disappointment as a manager in freaking Norway.

 

[el3mel]

Firing OGS now is simply stupid - he might not be good enough to take us to the top - but at the moment he is doing everything else right. He is signing the right players, he is extending contracts with every single young player (Just Gomes to go) and he is slowly building a Foundation that will make the job a hell of a lot easier for whoever takes over his job.

What's that "doing everything else is right" ? There's nothing significant in that to say he's doing everything right, extending contracts and stuff. What about actual football, what about tactics, what about establishing a style of play etc now these are the real foundations.

The next manager will have to scrap everything he did and will start from the scratch anyway. The team has no style of play at all, the squad has been fecked up in summer and we'll need +250m to even finish top 4. It'll be a near impossible task with our current budget. I feel for the upcoming manager and the task he'll have on hands thanks to this useless reign we're experiencing now.

 

[fergiesarmy1]

calling the firing of a coach who is achieving the same with us as he did with cardiff stupid is frankly 10x as dumb. Why the hell does Ole have these low standards? Oh because he was a good player for us. That has zero bearing on this club right now. We have a decent shout of being in a relegation spot by the end of the month and heading towards christmas break. Let that sink in for a bit and then come back. We look lost as a team and that goes down to the manager who has only been a non disappointment as a manager in freaking Norway.

We could be there Sunday evening given a really crazy accumulator apparently, still wouldn’t be reason to sack him 3 months into this “new plan” unless you want another “new plan”.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...op-Premier-League-relegation-zone-Sunday.html

Might stick a tenner on it

 

[bleedred]

But seriously - there were so many holes in our squad - we would have needed to sign 7-8 players of the same quality as Maguire, AWB and Jones to cover most of them. Yes we probably need a new-left back due to Shaws injuries, a new RW, 2 new central midfielders - a new striker etc etc. There are only so many holes you can cover in one transfer window. There simply is no way United would give OGS or any other manager a net spend of £200m in one window.

Of Our current squad (not counting the youngsters Garner, Greenwood, Williams, Chong or Gomes)- only 9-10 players will be United-players in 2-3 years if OGS is still manager. You may not like OGS as a manager but don't mistake him for being soft. He will Clear any player he doesn't consider good enough. But until we have more options - he can't get rid of Shaw, or Lingard, or Perreira, or Fred. But he knows they are not good enough (or too injured) to take us to the top - so they will go.

Martial will survive, DDG will, Lindelöf might, Tuanzebe probably, Martial yes, Rashford yes, McTominay yes, the 3 guys he signed in the summer yes, and Pogba if he wants to stay. Every single other player will go - I am 100% certain. If OGS is here as manager in the summer of 2021 - every other player in the first-team squad is gone.

Matic, Fred, Perreira, Lingard, Shaw, Dalot, Jones, Smalling, Sanchez, Mata, Rojo, Young - and most likely Bailly.

Firing OGS now is simply stupid - he might not be good enough to take us to the top - but at the moment he is doing everything else right. He is signing the right players, he is extending contracts with every single young player (Just Gomes to go) and he is slowly building a Foundation that will make the job a hell of a lot easier for whoever takes over his job.

Wasn't that the same argument that was used to defend LVG. Promoted youth, cleared deadwood, building the team for next manager?.

If you agree that he is not good enough to take us to the top, then it is advisable to to let someone who can take us to the top fix, the issues themselves,don't you think so?. I mean what will be the use if Ole buys all the players he wants for 200-300M over the next two windows and we go nowhere?. What makes you think the new manager coming in will like these players he has signed?.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

It won't be Sunday's game he will be judged on it is the games after, that this club should be winning, but now you cannot be so sure of it. We should be beating Norwich and Bournemouth, but at the moment we are on our knees and they will fancy their chances. For all our troubles we are still the proverbial big scalp.

 

[RedSky]

And even then our defensive record has actually gotten worse.

How do you work that one out? After 8 games last season we were on 14 goals conceded, this season we're on 8. Can you explain what you mean by this, i'm curious?

 

[DomesticTadpole]

How do you work that one out? After 8 games last season we were on 14 goals conceded, this season we're on 8. Can you explain what you mean by this, i'm curious?

Could it be that we were scoring more, that is a query by the way, so were still picking up points? If you concede one goal and don't score, it is still a loss.

 

[RedSky]

Could it be that we were scoring more, that is a query by the way, so were still picking up points? If you concede one goal and don't score, it is still a loss.

But that's a different statement. Scoring goals has nothing to do with defensive record right? If we're objectively looking at the first 8 games of last season and this season then surely we have to agree that the numbers alone suggest that we've improved defensively. Precisely the opposite to what Hobbers has suggested.

Putting the number into perspective, after 8 games we had conceded 14 goals only 3 clubs had conceded more. The big issue we've had so far this season is scoring goals and thats not due to lack of shots either as we've got the 5th highest shots stats this season. It's all down to our lack of quality at shot conversion.

(edited that post a few times as was checking up the stats )

 

[FerociousCorgis]

We could be there Sunday evening given a really crazy accumulator apparently, still wouldn’t be reason to sack him 3 months into this “new plan” unless you want another “new plan”.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...op-Premier-League-relegation-zone-Sunday.html

Might stick a tenner on it

so do we ignore everything post PSG game last year? I mean even including his new manager bounce he has the lowest win percentage of any manager post SAF i believe. Not sure what plan he has besides seemingly signing overpriced british talent, but as a manager he looks so far out of his depth you have to sack him. Think of our managers after SAF as girlfriends-just because we've gone through our fair share of crazy bad girlfriends doesn't mean you blindly stick to this one. Dump her and keep trying your luck until you get the perfect fit.

 

[momo83]

Why is speaking the blunt honest truth about what we’ve seen from OGS as manager hateful or disrespectful?

The main reasons for thinking OGS is out of his depth are
1) Form since March
2) No improvement or change in style of play in 10 months.
3) Poor handling of sales and recruitment in transfer window that’s left us weaker
4) No noticeable improvement in young talent already at his club or any of our players. Considering his plan that should be the biggest test, yet what signs of his coaching or management are we seeing beyond the buzz words of “new culture” “hard work” “want to be here”
5) Genuinely seeing nothing from his current or past to believe that 3 years will change anything other then continued regression.


Also people blame the board for not getting a CM and CF, they assume Ole already knew who he wanted and was refused. But then they praise Ole for signing an £85m CB and £54m RB who only had one full season in the EPL?

Do I think Ole is deceptive ? Yes. In his press conference he keeps going on about getting rid of players who didn’t want to be here and alludes to bad attitudes.
Herrera, bad attitude didn’t want to be here? Fellaini was also pushed out. None of those two had bad attitudes or wanted to leave.
Lukaku wanted to leave once it was made obvious Ole didn’t want him. So honestly if we’re objective only one that doesn’t want to be here despite the club pandering to him is still at the club.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

But that's a different statement. Scoring goals has nothing to do with defensive record right? If we're objectively looking at the first 8 games of last season and this season then surely we have to agree that the numbers alone suggest that we've improved defensively. Precisely the opposite to what Hobbers has suggested.

Putting the number into perspective, after 8 games we had conceded 14 goals only 3 clubs had conceded more. The big issue we've had so far this season is scoring goals and thats not due to lack of shots either as we've got the 5th highest shots stats this season. It's all down to our lack of quality at shot conversion.

(edited that post a few times as was checking up the stats )

Exactly. If we are not scoring as soon as we concede we are in trouble.