Ole Gunnar Solskjær needs more time and respect at Manchester United

[Rood]

I mean if you want to respect him based on his past accomplishments 20 years ago, its only fair if certain fans absolutely hates him for what he is doing to the club now? Both are sentimental reactions.
You can't be accepting one and rejecting another.

That's some ridiculous logic there and I will absolutely reject this bullshit- any fan who actively hates Ole should feck off and support a different club as far as I'm concerned.
Nothing to do with sentiment, it's about recognising that he has been given a massive clean up job to fix the mess left by years of bad decisions and it won't be fixed overnight.

 

[Micky Targaryen]

Came in here expecting to see the top 2 reasons as to why Ole "deserves" more time; 1) Comparing the dark days of the Fergie era, and 2) Ole had a good transfer window. Wasn't disappointed.

We are football fans. We just want to enjoy our football or at least see a tiny bit of progress each season. We are not asking for trophies just yet. Does it matter that he has a good transfer window, even if our football has not improved at all? Do we need a squad overhaul just to get them to play Ole football?

Get that sentimentalist shite outta here.

 

[red_de_pologne]

He will get a January transfer window, it's obvious, but if we don't improve and are hanging below 7th in March/April he's gone

 

[Micky Targaryen]

I get it, people do not think he's a good enough manager for Manchester United. Fine. There's precious little actual evidence right now suggesting otherwise.

But.....there are tens of thousands of clubs in this world, and therefore tens of thousands of managers. With what Ole has achieved at Molde, he has achieved more than to 97/98% of all the football managers around now will ever achieve. In short, see the big picture of football clubs and management, get down from your fecking ivory tower, and promptly remove your head from your arse. Thank you.

What did I just read?

 

[Hawks2008]

Sorry but in no way does he deserve more time, the way results are going we are on course for the relegation zone (we could go as low as 19th this week) and the second that happens it should be curtains for him. Everyone talks about a 'long term' vision for the team, but why does Ole deserve to see out his vision when Jose or Van Gaal didn't? They failed and were rightfully sacked but Ole is not even half the managers they are and our current run is as bad as any point under them. He absolutely does not deserve more time .

 

[Rendezvous with Ronaldo]

What did I just read?

The truth about needing to get a sense of perspective. I'm sure many people on here are allergic to it but that's not my problem.
I was yesterday given warning points by mods for no specific reason (probably general demeanour on here). But until people are less prone to the weird amalgamation of foolish hyperbole and fan arrogance, I will, as some prat correctly said about me, continue to have a chip on my shoulder.

 

[lysglimt]

Wasn't that the same argument that was used to defend LVG. Promoted youth, cleared deadwood, building the team for next manager?.

If you agree that he is not good enough to take us to the top, then it is advisable to to let someone who can take us to the top fix, the issues themselves,don't you think so?. I mean what will be the use if Ole buys all the players he wants for 200-300M over the next two windows and we go nowhere?. What makes you think the new manager coming in will like these players he has signed?.

I didn't say he wasn't good enough to take us to the top - I was merely stating that it's impossible to know. But in fairness - I can't see any manager who is good enough to take our current crop of players anywhere near the top.

The use is that he is signing the right players - AWB and Maguire are good enough. He is getting all our biggest talents signed up for long contracts, when he took over everything was chaos. Half our players that we wanted to keep had contracts running down - and we had long contracts for several players we didnt want.

Even if he resigns or is being fired in the summer, we will have all our talents on long contracts, he will have released most of the players that aren't good enough. In short - at the moment he is a janitor cleaning up the Place, so why not let him finish cleaning ? Why hire yet another manager to take over a complete mess. Let him finish what he has started - if he continues signing the right players, we will improve. If he doesnt - well clearly eventually he needs to go.

 

[lysglimt]

Sorry but in no way does he deserve more time, the way results are going we are on course for the relegation zone (we could go as low as 19th this week) and the second that happens it should be curtains for him. Everyone talks about a 'long term' vision for the team, but why does Ole deserve to see out his vision when Jose or Van Gaal didn't? They failed and were rightfully sacked but Ole is not even half the managers they are and our current run is as bad as any point under them. He absolutely does not deserve more time .

Because OGS took over their mess - and that can't be fixed in one transfer window.

 

[7even]

That's some ridiculous logic there and I will absolutely reject this bullshit- any fan who actively hates Ole should feck off and support a different club as far as I'm concerned.
Nothing to do with sentiment, it's about recognising that he has been given a massive clean up job to fix the mess left by years of bad decisions and it won't be fixed overnight.

First line. It’s the way you present things, not Ole.

Second. You hit the nail in one sentence. Woodward and the owners wants someone to clean up the wage bill. To fix their own mess. Ole is doing great getting rid of high earners. As a clean up guy he’s great. From that perspective United is on the right track.

From the perspective of competent coaching, maximize the resources, tactical knowledge, playing attractive football then you find the answer in our results. Results don’t lie.

 

[Judge Red]

https://metro.co.uk/2019/10/19/ole-...n-manchester-uniteds-best-interests-10942320/

I would respect that. Tomorrow.

 

[Isotope]

Why is it a positive for a manager to shift out "high earners" while still keeping the "low earner" but shite ones?

Couldn't it be because the manager inaptitude to fully utilize these "high earners"? There's a reason we bought them as "high earner" players, because they were good players before coming to United.

 

[SteveJ]

Ole may be doing what Moyes did: surrounding himself with loyalists. Sure, most managers do this to a degree...what's worrying, though, is that incompetent ones specialise in it out of desperation.

 

[Isotope]

Which is the one you don't like?

I think Ole is two CMs short of having something he can work with right now. Having to pick Matic, Fred, Pereira, Mata, Lingard etc is the nightmare scenario. For the first time in 30 years I look at the players available and can't put a good first 11 together.

So it's hard for me to blame the manager. Ill wait until he is alliwed sign at least one CM before passing judgement. He's 3/3 for recruitment imo. That's a big step in the right direction.

How about last season when he had better players in attack and midfield? Did you like what you see?

And who decided to spunk 130m on defence alone last summer, knowing he has this midfield?

 

[RedAlert27]

I'd like to think I'll always back the manager. The biggest problem with Ole at the moment is that there seems to be very little man management or any game plan at all. It's almost identical with Mourinho's way of playing this time last season. His persistence to play the same 4-2-3-1 and failure to adapt for each opposition is the most worrying thing. The players seem un-motivated, lacking fitness and just no fire on the pitch.

I fear bringing another manager in, we will be having the exact same discussion about him this time next year. Only he will have a mix of LG, Jose, and OGS players to implement his new ideas on.

 

[kouroux]

The truth about needing to get a sense of perspective. I'm sure many people on here are allergic to it but that's not my problem.
I was yesterday given warning points by mods for no specific reason (probably general demeanour on here). But until people are less prone to the weird amalgamation of foolish hyperbole and fan arrogance, I will, as some prat correctly said about me, continue to have a chip on my shoulder.

I guess this you warning us

 

[el3mel]

The truth about needing to get a sense of perspective. I'm sure many people on here are allergic to it but that's not my problem.
I was yesterday given warning points by mods for no specific reason (probably general demeanour on here). But until people are less prone to the weird amalgamation of foolish hyperbole and fan arrogance, I will, as some prat correctly said about me, continue to have a chip on my shoulder.

Wow for a newbie that's pretty aggressive. I doubt you will get promoted quickly.

 

[SteveJ]

He's banned, and rightly so.

 

[Grande]

(On this subject, I speak with the evangelical zeal of the reformed moron.)

Many good points, including that about many people (including myself, probably) thinking they know more than they know. The above article is fantastic, and should be posted on billboards all through Manchester for eternity.

 

[clarkydaz]

https://metro.co.uk/2019/10/19/ole-...n-manchester-uniteds-best-interests-10942320/

I would respect that. Tomorrow.

If this is true it only ends one way when the manager doubts himself

 

[POF]

The point @amolbhatia50k makes is still valid. The idea to pursue youth, energy and attacking football with the right characters, doesn't require Ole Gunnar Solskjaer to be in control. Granted, it's tricky to find an interim manager but Ole could be sacked today and these aims still be in place. A DoF would be tasked with ensuring it, but the club can still keep the same model (without a DoF) and look for a better manager pursuing the same ideals. You can't retain a manager just because he has noble ideals. He's got to have some leverage. And what's the leverage? All I can see is that it's difficult for the club to make a change at this stage of the season.

Leverage? This summer they nominated him as the man to lead a long term rebuild and gave him £150m to buy his players. 2 months into the season they should sack him? This is a multi billion pound organisation. What sort of long term strategic planning is that?

Even if what you say is correct and they get a "better manager pursuing the same ideals", what message does that send to the next manager? We want long term strategy, we want you to think long term and sign players for the future rather than a quick fix. But if you have poor results for 2 months you'll get sacked.

If you look at the recent club appointments and those rumoured to be in the running for the Technical Director role, there is a very strong impression that the club wants people with United connections in key positions at the club.

The spiel about "culture" is about bringing back "the old Manchester United mentality". If the "better manager pursuing the same ideals" needs a United connection, there genuinely may not be one out there.

If Ole gets sacked as manager, I dread to think what they will do next.

 

[Grande]

How is he making progress towards it? The fact that you're blaming the attack is proof that the attack isn't functioning right now in your eyes. And if Ole is supposed to be an attacking manager, how on earth has he shown us improvement in our attack if you yourself state that the attack isn't working right now? That's a contradiction.

The answer was in his post, though: He puts it down to player quality. Looking at the attackers available for play at the moment, I think that is quite a fair point.

Another point is that attacking patterns takes longer to build than defensive ones, and depends on players building relations.

 

[MrBest]

He was given time at Molde etc. and still hardly did anything that surprising. He won the title a while back, which was great, but since leaving Molde, they've improved and are looking set to win the title this year without him. Coupled with the fact that he relegated Cardiff and looked to be relegating them in the Championship too and you have yourself a manager so clearly out of his depth here.

We've only really had one major injury to Martial in our offence, yet the whole offence looks completely clueless in regards to any patterns of offensive play. There are teams with far weaker squads (even without Martial), playing far better football than we are. Enough with the excuses and what not, the guy simply isn't good enough. As much as we all loved him as a player and as a person, he's just not cut out to be Manchester United manager.

Great post and this is where half my head is at. I really want to see Ole succeed and prove everyone wrong but right now there are hardly any glimpses of how he wants to play football. The thing that bothers me the most is he he persists in playing 2 holding midfielders since Feb, it is like he is more scared to lose and would rather hold for a draw than try and win 4 3. As i said i really really want him to be that guy but after each game i am left furious about the way we have been defeated. I am not too bothered about the results in all honesty. If we had 8 points but have played some great football and there was a clear new way we were going I would be happy because i get that a transition season will be top 10 ambition. The way we are playing is just so pointless.

 

[Jonno]

He deserves more respect, but I still don’t think he’s good enough to manage Man United. There’s a difference between utmost respect, which I have for Ole... and an opinion that he’s not quite good enough to manage United.

In fairness I think he should be given the season, it makes no real sense now to sack him and bring another outsider in the club for the short term and go back on the correct steps Ole has taken.

 

[sunama]

He absolutely deserves more respect. The manner in which he is being spoken about at times is unbelievable.

He has managed to get Cardiff relegated.
He was unable to get another job in the EPL, so managed a small club in Norway.
He then got a chance to MUFC and has resided on our worst start for 30 years.
Moyes gets a lot of flack on here (and so he should), but Ole is worse!

So, please do explain, on what basis should he get more respect?

Edit, this guy said the same thing:

Well he relegated Cardiff from PL. Was on course to relegate then from Championship as well but wasn’t given time.

He’s on course to relegate is too, given the time.

 

[minoo-utd]

Came in here expecting to see the top 2 reasons as to why Ole "deserves" more time; 1) Comparing the dark days of the Fergie era, and 2) Ole had a good transfer window. Wasn't disappointed.

We are football fans. We just want to enjoy our football or at least see a tiny bit of progress each season. We are not asking for trophies just yet. Does it matter that he has a good transfer window, even if our football has not improved at all? Do we need a squad overhaul just to get them to play Ole football?

Exactly. I challenge anyone who defends Ole and want to give him more time, if they know what kind of football our manager want to implement! Cause all I see is players lost in every where on the pitch. He is clueless and only good in talking maybe. Look at Lampard from his first few games you can tell what kind of football he wants to apply.

Get that sentimentalist shite outta here.

 

[Chairman Steve]

Football is results driven especially at this level. OGS cannot get results and shows no hope or promise that things will get better. Struggled to better Astana at home. Drew with Rochdale at home and needed penalty shoot out to win. Couldn’t get a shot on target against AZ Alkmaar. Lost to Newcastle and never really layed a glove on them. It’s pretty worrying that it’s like this 10 months in and that he has had a transfer window (technically 2) and a full uninterrupted pre season considering we only have one African player and two South Americans in our squad... all three being not main players too.

This sentimentality is crazy. People need to divorce themselves with club legends... it doesn’t matter how hard you want to wish it into existence, it isn’t going to happen. OGS is not turning into some SAF 2nd coming. He’s failing at the fundamentals of getting a team playing well enough to win games. Woodward isn’t responsible for his style of play.

We shouldn’t be a training ground for inexperienced managers to learn their trade, no matter who they are. We look stupid for persisting with it, even if you think we’re on some moral high horse of not sacking managers because one time we had a manager who had a rough season or two in the late 80s but then turned it round and dominated... but that guy had a ton of credentials before he came here. OGS hasn’t done anything close to beating Real Madrid in a European final or got a non-Old Firm team to win the Scottish league (a feat still held by that said one manager).

 

[Red00012]

Our injuries:

Shaw - Has had a history of injuries
Jones - Never


On a personal view, I like the fact we have addressed our defensive frailties, this way going into the windows we know what we will have to do and fill the rest of team with confidence.

Our injuries this season :
De Gea
Shaw
Lindelof
Jones
Wan Bissaka
Pogba
Matic
Lingard
Rashford
Martial
Gomes
Greenwood

Bailly (Injured last season )

 

[Mcking]

He was given time at Molde etc. and still hardly did anything that surprising. He won the title a while back, which was great, but since leaving Molde, they've improved and are looking set to win the title this year without him. Coupled with the fact that he relegated Cardiff and looked to be relegating them in the Championship too and you have yourself a manager so clearly out of his depth here.

We've only really had one major injury to Martial in our offence, yet the whole offence looks completely clueless in regards to any patterns of offensive play. There are teams with far weaker squads (even without Martial), playing far better football than we are. Enough with the excuses and what not, the guy simply isn't good enough. As much as we all loved him as a player and as a person, he's just not cut out to be Manchester United manager.

In the EPL? I can't think of many teams tbh. Look at the XI we fielded against Newcastle and compare the front six and the backup options with that of every other team in the league. I don't think many realise how weak our midfield and attack looks especially with injuries to Martial, Pogba, and our starting fullbacks. I have doubts about Solskjaer, but I'd take our performances with a grain of salt.

 

[Eric's Seagull]

Ole deserves some respect as some of the personal insults on here against him are uncalled for.

 

[UpWithRivers]

Beyond me why an ex player has to get away with destroying the club and no one is allowed to say anything. If we should respect and give opportunities to all our ex players then lets give Ole 3 years. Then Giggs 3 years then Hughes, Bruce, Ferdinand etc. Doesn't matter about results as long as we look after our old boys and give them some purpose and cash in their retirement. Heck we should hire their families as scouts etc.

 

[fergiesarmy1]

Beyond me why an ex player has to get away with destroying the club and no one is allowed to say anything. If we should respect and give opportunities to all our ex players then lets give Ole 3 years. Then Giggs 3 years then Hughes, Bruce, Ferdinand etc. Doesn't matter about results as long as we look after our old boys and give them some purpose and cash in their retirement. Heck we should hire their families as scouts etc.

Ole is destroying the club? Not the Glazers or their puppet?

 

[Womp]

In the EPL? I can't think of many teams tbh. Look at the XI we fielded against Newcastle and compare the front six and the backup options with that of every other team in the league. I don't think many realise how weak our midfield and attack looks especially with injuries to Martial, Pogba, and our starting fullbacks. I have doubts about Solskjaer, but I'd take our performances with a grain of salt.

Norwich, Bournemouth, Palace, Brighton - even Newcastle,to name a few, are all capable of playing better stuff than us.

Even with Pogba in the side, we've still looked shite. Martial coming in isn't going to make this severe change that everyone is expecting. We look terrible because we are terribly coached.

 

[Eric's Seagull]

Beyond me why an ex player has to get away with destroying the club and no one is allowed to say anything. If we should respect and give opportunities to all our ex players then lets give Ole 3 years. Then Giggs 3 years then Hughes, Bruce, Ferdinand etc. Doesn't matter about results as long as we look after our old boys and give them some purpose and cash in their retirement. Heck we should hire their families as scouts etc.

Would rather that they gave Ole some more cash in the last window. Also hopefully sign some decent players in January. I think that a lot of the problems are down to the Glazer's and Woodward.

 

[LoneStar]

I've already lost a lot of interest in football these days. These years have taken a toll.

Ole being here long term would make me lose complete interest in it. Maybe that's a good thing, get more time for other things

 

[In Rainbows]

The answer was in his post, though: He puts it down to player quality. Looking at the attackers available for play at the moment, I think that is quite a fair point.

Another point is that attacking patterns takes longer to build than defensive ones, and depends on players building relations.

You didn't understand my point. His point is that player quality is the reason for our crap attack. I accept that. Then how is he also saying that we're showing good signs in attack (Ole's vision for the team), if by his own admission, the attack is poor due to players? How can he judge something being good when he also states it's bad? It's a contradiction.

There is no evidence of our attack showing progress.

 

[Mcking]

Norwich, Bournemouth, Palace, Brighton - even Newcastle,to name a few, are all capable of playing better stuff than us.

Even with Pogba in the side, we've still looked shite. Martial coming in isn't going to make this severe change that everyone is expecting. We look terrible because we are terribly coached.

Bar Bournemouth, all those teams are completely uninspiring teams.
Our front six in the last few games have had Rashford, James, Pereira, McTominay, Lingard and a washed up Mata, how exactly are they better than their counterparts at the clubs you mentioned? We've a very weak squad and our three most gifted players has been injured and in and out of the team. We are light on back-ups too.

 

[RoyH1]

You can be respectful about Ole and his accomplishments as a player, while at the same time being painfully aware that he is not competent enough to manage a club at the highest level.

 

[Robbie Boy]

Anyone who can’t separate Ole the player and Ole the manager needs working on their emotional intelligence. Ole the player is just amazing but Ole the manager is pretty rotten. Seems like a top bloke and will always remain an absolute club legend for his achievements as a player, but when he gets the inevitable sack, it’s best for all to pretend this managerial stint never occurred.

 

[Leftback99]

Bar Bournemouth, all those teams are completely uninspiring teams.
Our front six in the last few games have had Rashford, James, Pereira, McTominay, Lingard and a washed up Mata, how exactly are they better than their counterparts at the clubs you mentioned? We've a very weak squad and our three most gifted players has been injured and in and out of the team. We are light on back-ups too.

I wouldn't try explain. They are all assumed to be world beaters under any different manager.

 

[Patience]

Sacking Ole would be the worst thing we could possibly do..

Surely we ALL should realise this by now.

We have hired and fired great coaches - among the best there's ever been in Europe - and they couldn't get this right.

That's because it is impossible to run our football club, the way we want it run, whilst winning things straight away. IMPOSSIBLE!

Our fans need to calm t'feck down. Relax. Let one manager transition the squad and rebuild.

THERE IS NO QUICK FIX!

I swear there are people on here who have not considered how our last two managers did - even though they had won almost everything in the game before coming here - and I also swear there are people on here who don't realise how our only eras in our history (there are only two) that we dominated actually came to fruition. It took each manager 5-6 years to build this football club into a consistently winning club.

That's because our fans ask for too much.

We WANT attacking football.
We WANT quick football.
We WANT to achieve the above whilst also bleeding in youth.
We WANT our managers to have a youth team player in every match squad.
We WANT to have the best academy on the planet.
We WANT attack, attack, attack!

If you want all those things - which I do - then you have to have the patience to allow such a system to work; just like Sir Matt did, just like Sir Alex did. If we want to be this club - and not a Chelsea or a Real Madrid, for example (who chop and change managers every 2 seasons and who don't operate like we do as a club - and who don't bring through youth as part of their structure) - then you need to give a manager - whoever he is - the years it takes to run that kinda football club and make it work.

We all know this. Or we should given our recent and distant history.


If you want our club to win things how we win them, by using the list above, then you need to calm down and give Ole time and patience to get all of the cogs in the system YOU want to work (this is how we dominate as a club, not just win the odd title and cup here and there, like Chelsea).

But if you want our club run like Chelsea - where we hire and fire and buy and sell and win the odd thing and then finish 6th and then hire the next best manager out of Italy for no reason - fine.. go ahead and keep calling for managers to be sacked. But you'll only be doing it on Forums.. nobody at Old Trafford called for the head of any of our managers. Because they all know HOW they want our club to work.