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Being unlucky not to beat Pool at home?That’s it, bye ole
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Being unlucky not to beat Pool at home?That’s it, bye ole
Not blaming Martial for anything. He was on for a whole 9 minutes straight from injury. I didn't expect him to do wonders.No it didn't. We were already getting battered with Rashford on the field. At no point in the second half did we push Liverpool back. The possession stats were 75 to 25 for Christ sakes.
Blaming Martial for the goal or anything at all is downright absurd. Just be happy we're having our players back and stop the absurdity.
Neither do i, i'm well aware of our limitations but we've seen it too many times now for it to be a 'just a mistake'. We've seen the team is just not good enough to carry it out for a whole match. We always crack eventually.I for one don't have much problem with defensive tactics in big game as long as they're actually done right. I think we did it right today but fecked it up unfortunately.
If it happens every single time we try it, we can't really call it unlucky can we?Being unlucky not to beat Pool at home?
Eh, it was Tuanzebe against Arsenal, Rojo here. Rojo's barely played for what seems like years, bit of rust.No surprise that its Rojo.. All he had to do was stick with Lallana, but nah.. for some weird reasons he goes into no-mans land where is he completetly useless. Sad, since he played a good game.
Wrong.Fingers crossed? Whoever plays will not matter, these players won't be 100% fit and almost all of our other options are out of form and underperforming. We will be chasing shadows all game and it will be just another embarrassment at OT.
Just avoided that tonking eh?If I was - as a full-blooded realist - I would certainly be trying to make some proactive, realistic changes to this sideshow.
You think we can win this? Just wow. We cannot even beat teams like Newcastle right now, stop believing in Santa Claus and try a bit of realism for once. I'm assuming you're an adult.
You're talking like we haven't beaten them for 20 years at home.If it happens every single time we try it, we can't really call it unlucky can we?
Any.What subs did you want?
Tell me about all the Liverpool chances. We played the best team in Europe and apart from one lapse would have won the game. We play like that against lesser teams we'll make more chances and score more goals.Really? Tell me about all the chances we made?
It's unacceptable for other matches but today was fine for me.Neither do i, i'm well aware of our limitations but we've seen it too many times now for it to be a 'just a mistake'. We've seen the team is just not good enough to carry it out for a whole match. We always crack eventually.
Jesus, our standards as fans have dropped.Tell me about all the Liverpool chances. We played the best team in Europe and apart from one lapse would have won the game. We play like that against lesser teams we'll make more chances and score more goals.
It's a pity you didn't see it but maybe you saw it this afternoon.That’s fine. Have you got evidence of opponents achieving regular success in targeting both full backs? I just don’t see it
Astute would be appropriate if Liverpool weren't dominating the midfield even before Martial came in, and Rashford didn't change any of that either. The lone man up front is not going to get much going if the midfield is gassed and the defense under pressure. The ball was just nowhere near him for 95% of his time on the field.No blame - just an astute observation.
But i'm not just talking about today's match. Over the past few years, we've seen that without fail, every single time we attempt to just hold on and defend, it backfires on us.You're talking like we haven't beaten them for 20 years at home.
Last 2 years we've had an injury crisis, and come into it in woeful form, and still not even lost! Today could easily have been a win.
Nothing astute about it, he had nothing to do with the goal conceded. Also, I hope you're not describing your own post/view as astute, it's like calling yourself clever, someone else needs to do it!No blame - just an astute observation.
Come on, you can't be telling me you expected that performance? I'm very happy with it, though the fact we drew is a bit frustrating, it's still something to build on. Would be over the moon if Ole turned it around, unlike other parts of our fanbase, I love the guy and have never abused him for not doing well as it is fashionable these days.Wrong.
Why are you relating my post to the goal?Nothing astute about it, he had nothing to do with the goal conceded. Also, I hope you're not describing your own post/view as astute, it's like calling yourself clever, someone else needs to do it!
Yes. They looked surprisingly average today.We know wer'e not special but I hardly got the feeling we were up against a team like Pep's Barca.
After all the hype Liverpool were just as every bit 'meh' as us in some ways.
But i'm not just talking about today's match. Over the past few years, we've seen that without fail, every single time we attempt to just hold on and defend, it backfires on us.
Today, we tried to hold on from before the 60th minute with time-wasting etc. Ole never even made his 1st change until after the 80th min. Taking everything into account, we weren't unlucky to concede under those circumstances, there was only one team attempting to play football out there that 2nd half, it was inevitable if you ask me.
Liverpool were there for the taking today. We had a good first half, but then tossed it out of the window with the 2nd half so that's very frustrating to me.
Our bench consisted of Romero, Brandon Williams, Phil Jones, James Garner, Juan Mata, Mason Greenwood and Martial.Any.
I understand Ole though, I always substitute a striker for striker around the 85th minute on football manager and 90% of the time it works. He must be baffled it didn’t work in real life.
He jogged around as he always does and didn't even attempt to pressure any opponent. I am not saying that it led to the goal (I think I have now explained that 3 times), merely that as usual, he doesn't work hard and when we are one up with ten minutes to go, I expect the subbed on striker to work his bollox off.Astute would be appropriate if Liverpool weren't dominating the midfield even before Martial came in, and Rashford didn't change any of that either. The lone man up front is not going to get much going if the midfield is gassed and the defense under pressure. The ball was just nowhere near him for 95% of his time on the field.
Just teasing.Come on, you can't be telling me you expected that performance? I'm very happy with it, though the fact we drew is a bit frustrating, it's still something to build on. Would be over the moon if Ole turned it around, unlike other parts of our fanbase, I love the guy and have never abused him for not doing well as it is fashionable these days.
Fred...Did he actually pass the ball to another United player.Positive performances from Rashford, James,AWB and Maguire. So-so from McTom and Fred. Everyone else poor.
Totally.Our bench consisted of Romero, Brandon Williams, Phil Jones, James Garner, Juan Mata, Mason Greenwood and Martial.
Not really any ideal subs there.
Pereria had a good game, but still has it all to prove, as we can't get away with a sort of defensive right winger in most games!Fred...Did he actually pass the ball to another United player.
I thought Andreas was better.
That is right. He is quite average and not really a Manchester United player. But he was ok today.Pereria had a good game, but still has it all to prove, as we can't get away with a sort of defensive right winger in most games!
Forget about Andrea.Fred...Did he actually pass the ball to another United player.
I thought Andreas was better.
Everyone loves smilies with quotes taken out of context. You definitely contributed a lot there.
Before this match, in the 19/20 season, they averaged 0,75 goals against them and 2.5 goals for them per match. We averaged 1,125 goals for us and 1 goals against.Everyone loves smilies with quotes taken out of context. You definitely contributed a lot there.
If you don't think Liverpool weren't there for the taking today based on what we saw in the first half then go ahead, please enlighten me.
I saw United’s shape restrict the full backs attacking prowess. Very well done. I didn’t see either full back repeatedly exposed in any real sense, which was the point you were suggesting, I believe. United created few actual good chances - the goal came from a counter following a foul in the midfield area not a FB issue in terms of them being targeted.It's a pity you didn't see it but maybe you saw it this afternoon.
You're not wrong.Jesus, our standards as fans have dropped.
You don't have to explain it didn't lead to the goal, that was understood. You're implying the team lost intensity when he came on, and I'm telling you that they had already lost that intensity about 15 minutes or more prior to when he came on and Rashford did nothing to change that. He is isolated there to be up front and lead any counters, United couldn't even chase the ball, let alone lead to a counter and Rashford wasn't doing much chasing around the back four, just like Martial didn't either. But again, this thread proves that there are some who will use anything to bash Martial, even when he played 10 minutes isolated up front in his first game back in over a month.He jogged around as he always does and didn't even attempt to pressure any opponent. I am not saying that it led to the goal (I think I have now explained that 3 times), merely that as usual, he doesn't work hard and when we are one up with ten minutes to go, I expect the subbed on striker to work his bollox off.
I want implying the team lost intensity at all. I am saying he, Anthony Martial, put in a piss poor effort, as is too often the case. Stop looking for a bigger agenda. He's lazy, basta.You don't have to explain it didn't lead to the goal, that was understood. You're implying the team lost intensity when he came on, and I'm telling you that they had already lost that intensity about 15 minutes or more prior to when he came on and Rashford did nothing to change that. He is isolated there to be up front and lead any counters, United couldn't even chase the ball, let alone lead to a counter and Rashford wasn't doing much chasing around the back four, just like Martial didn't either. But again, this thread proves that there are some who will use anything to bash Martial, even when he played 10 minutes isolated up front in his first game back in over a month.
What does that tell you about our squad?It's unacceptable for other matches but today was fine for me.
I'm not sure this will change anything anyway. We just raised our game a little bit against them and I can see us returning to our routine very quickly in the upcoming matches.
If you mean to say we could have won the game had we shown more attacking intent in the second half, well, that's debateable isn't it. We could have stepped out a little more, sure, but we would have left gaps in behind for Liverpool to exploit. There was a couple of occasions in the first half where Firminho and Mane took advantage of poor defending from Lindelof and could have scored. The threat was always there.Everyone loves smilies with quotes taken out of context. You definitely contributed a lot there.
If you don't think Liverpool weren't there for the taking today based on what we saw in the first half then go ahead, please enlighten me.
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