Refusing to make simple and obvious passes.

kouroux

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What's that about now ?
I know I'm not the only one who's noticed our players just flat out refuse to attempt certain passes when their teammates is in good position. Misplacing a pass is ok but to refuse to pass it ? Why ? What do we do during training :lol: ?
 
Martial was through multiple times, sir Jesse wanted to go sideways
 
I don't know what it is. Is it selfishness, fear, being told tactically to keep it simple? Tonight there were so many blatant examples of this it was driving me mad.

This is the worst we've been since Fergie, by some distance. We're gutless.
 
We look like a team where none of our players have ever played together, no matter who we put on the pitch.
 
Atleast two time i watched McTomney do that. Once to Rashford and once to James.
 
This is what happens when I give my strikers £100k goal bonuses in Football Manager.
 
James could have released Rashford towards the end of the game, it's the extra touch these guys are always taking that's the problem.
 
Average players and no system of play. It's just a bunch of individuals making it up as they go along while their manager desperately looks on, hoping for a slice of luck.
 
McTominay showed a really restricted range tonight. A number of times he made no attempt to play attacking balls for forward runners. Lingard as a false 9 several times just passed the ball back into midfield when other attacking options could have been noted.
 
kouroux said:
What's that about now ?
I know I'm not the only one who's noticed our players just flat out refuse to attempt certain passes when their teammates is in good position. Misplacing a pass is ok but to refuse to pass it ? Why ? What do we do during training :lol: ?
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I think it should be quite clear by now that we do feck all in training.
 
Devil81 said:
James could have released Rashford towards the end of the game, it's the extra touch these guys are always taking that's the problem.
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Rashford did it, McTominay did, Lingard did it. They all do it in every game. I just don't understand, I just other teams create passing movement like that, all their stuff isn't pinchpoint perfect through passes, they recycle the ball a lot too but whenever there is a good forward to make to an open teammate, there is no hesitation
 
kouroux said:
Rashford did it, McTominay did, Lingard did it. They all do it in every game. I just don't understand, I just other teams create passing movement like that, all their stuff isn't pinchpoint perfect through passes, they recycle the ball a lot too but whenever there is a good forward to make to an open teammate, there is no hesitation
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When you think of how fast City and Liverpool release Mane, Salah, Sterling and Sane. If we can find the balls in behind the likes of James and Rashford can't be caught.
 
Devil81 said:
When you think of how fast City and Liverpool release Mane, Salah, Sterling and Sane. If we can find the balls in behind the likes of James and Rashford can't be caught.
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Sometimes Liverpool's football is very basic, a long ball over the top for Salah or Mane.
 
Infra-red said:
Average players and no system of play. It's just a bunch of individuals making it up as they go along while their manager desperately looks on, hoping for a slice of luck.
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Bang on. Rubbish players with no real pattern or tactics. Because of it they often have to take a second to confirm where the other player will be and many times the attack breaks down on the second pass of a one-two combination. Do these guys even train? How are we still struggling to execute one-twos? The most basic passing combination in football
 
I was about to start a thread on this.

Biggest issues:

1) Defenders playing around the ball at the back and refuse to come forward with the ball. Rojo and Jones had acres of space in front of them all game. Jones literally stood in his position like it was netball and passed the ball into a deep lying midfielder.

If our defenders came forward with the ball, midfield can move up into the next phrase of the pitch and we might actually create a chance.

2) The lack of off the ball movement, mainly by the midfield. What happened to the basic concept of pass and move? Where are the triangles?

I saw multiple situations tonight where a midfielder would have the ball, there were pockets of space left and right of them but no player was running into the space to provide an option.

These two glaring problems haven’t just been a problem under Ole. This happened under Mourinho as well.

So is it the coaching or is it the players? Whilst both are responsible I can’t help but feel the coaching is the major issue. Look at Liverpool and someone like Henderson. His passing and movement has improved so much under Klopp. Do they not look back at these games and state the obvious to these players?
 
Every single one of the players mentioned (maybe except Mata) run with their head down. They never once look up until the last second
 
Josep Dowling said:
I was about to start a thread on this.

Biggest issues:

1) Defenders playing around the ball at the back and refuse to come forward with the ball. Rojo and Jones had acres of space in front of them all game. Jones literally stood in his position like it was netball and passed the ball into a deep lying midfielder.

If our defenders came forward with the ball, midfield can move up into the next phrase of the pitch and we might actually create a chance.

2) The lack of off the ball movement, mainly by the midfield. What happened to the basic concept of pass and move? Where are the triangles?

I saw multiple situations tonight where a midfield would have the ball, there were pockets of space left and right of them but no player was running into the space to provide an option.

These two glaring problems haven’t just been a problem under Ole. This happened under Mourinho as well.

So is it the coaching or is it the players? Whilst both are responsible I can’t help but feel the coaching is the major issue. Look at Liverpool and someone like Henderson. His passing and movement has improved so much under Klopp. Do they not look back at these games and state the obvious to these players?
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Another good example is when AWB makes a good first touch pass /flick to Lingard and runs for a return ball but Lingard just blindly booted upfield. I see like this and I am left scratching my head.
 
kouroux said:
Another good example is when AWB makes a good first touch pass /flick to Lingard and runs for a return ball but Lingard just blindly booted upfield. I see like this and I am left scratching my head.
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There were so many examples of it tonight. I don’t want to have ago at Garner but we are 25 yards from goal under no pressure, easy pass to him and it rolls under his foot.

First half Martial clean through, under very little pressure, falls over.

Lingards attempt at a cross field pass that goes straight over Rashford.

It’s individual errors that happen every single week, even from our ‘best players’ like Pogba and Martial. I wouldn’t expect it at this level. But then when we had Scholes and Giggs in midfield for 20 years maybe we expect too much from others.
 
LARulz said:
Every single one of the players mentioned (maybe except Mata) run with their head down. They never once look up until the last second
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Thats because they're simply not good enough, just overrated for coming through our youth system.
 
kouroux said:
What's that about now ?
I know I'm not the only one who's noticed our players just flat out refuse to attempt certain passes when their teammates is in good position. Misplacing a pass is ok but to refuse to pass it ? Why ? What do we do during training :lol: ?
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Show up to do Instagram photo/video shoots for Man Utd's account and then leave.
 
Josep Dowling said:
There were so many examples of it tonight. I don’t want to have ago at Garner but we are 25 yards from goal under no pressure, easy pass to him and it rolls under his foot.

First half Martial clean through, under very little pressure, falls over.

Lingards attempt at a cross field pass that goes straight over Rashford.

It’s individual errors that happen every single week, even from our ‘best players’ like Pogba and Martial. I wouldn’t expect it at this level. But then when we had Scholes and Giggs in midfield for 20 years maybe we expect too much from others.
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I get you but with this thread I wanna separate what you described: technical mistakes and passing or lack thereof in certain situations. McTominay shooting in the first half on the edge of the box when he has a clear and free player on his left, this sort of stuff will never improve as a team. Players doing stuff without coherence or process
 
RyRy11 said:
We look like a team where none of our players have ever played together, no matter who we put on the pitch.
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Josep Dowling said:
I was about to start a thread on this.

Biggest issues:

1) Defenders playing around the ball at the back and refuse to come forward with the ball. Rojo and Jones had acres of space in front of them all game. Jones literally stood in his position like it was netball and passed the ball into a deep lying midfielder.

If our defenders came forward with the ball, midfield can move up into the next phrase of the pitch and we might actually create a chance.

2) The lack of off the ball movement, mainly by the midfield. What happened to the basic concept of pass and move? Where are the triangles?

I saw multiple situations tonight where a midfielder would have the ball, there were pockets of space left and right of them but no player was running into the space to provide an option.

These two glaring problems haven’t just been a problem under Ole. This happened under Mourinho as well.

So is it the coaching or is it the players? Whilst both are responsible I can’t help but feel the coaching is the major issue. Look at Liverpool and someone like Henderson. His passing and movement has improved so much under Klopp. Do they not look back at these games and state the obvious to these players?
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All of this, lots of basics our team can’t seem to get right.
 
If it was just one or two players, it would suggest it isn’t an issue beyond confidence or talent. When it’s a whole team that we’ve seen play way better in the past, then it has to be on the training/management.
It’s the same about having shots at goal. As a footballing side, we are one of the worst in Europe’s top flight.
 
kouroux said:
I get you but with this thread I wanna separate what you described: technical mistakes and passing or lack thereof in certain situations. McTominay shooting in the first half on the edge of the box when he has a clear and free player on his left, this sort of stuff will never improve as a team. Players doing stuff without coherence or process
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It's confidence really. If you know where your team mates are, you're not having to overthink or take an extra touch.
 
Infra-red said:
Average players and no system of play. It's just a bunch of individuals making it up as they go along while their manager desperately looks on, hoping for a slice of luck.
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We have these ‘average players’ who perform at international level. It’s the system, lack of a midfielder with genuine quality and a lack of confidence. Ole and the coaches are failing, as our game plan is to out run everyone. Only the keeper and the centre halves appear to have a clue as to what they’re doing.
Hopefully the return of Pogba will improve our interplay and retention of the ball...
 
kouroux said:
Sometimes Liverpool's football is very basic, a long ball over the top for Salah or Mane.
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No way they don't practice that shit. The same way City's forwards move before the pass is made.

I'm not expecting that this mess gets fixed overnight, players here have played under bad attacking coaching for years.
 
adexkola said:
No way they don't practice that shit. The same way City's forwards move before the pass is made.

I'm not expecting that this mess gets fixed overnight, players here have played under bad attacking coaching for years.
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Practice makes perfect for however you wanna play.
I just wonder what kinda practice leads to our chaotic football
 
Crap players and terrible coaching.

Here you have it. Plain and simple.
 
It's interesting to note that everyone except the united coaching team can see this! Baffling actually. Sure there would be someone in the stadium looking at this and providing some input! I have seen better passing and movement in sunday league teams
 
It’s a lack of coaching & match analysis, coupled with leaving the squad so thin that you can’t drop players that refuse to pass anyway.

I didn’t see tonight’s game so I can’t comment in that regard but it’s as if they’re not being told to make the pass instead of trying a 35yard worldie.
 
Noticed this against Pool as well. With Perreria (multiple times) and Fred deciding to shoot (horribly) when much simpler and better options were available. It's a lack of quality + confidence + coaching

el3mel said:
Crap players and terrible coaching.

Here you have it. Plain and simple.
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Sums it up.
 
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