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For the record I personally think this is going to happen, if not now pretty soon.

They have too much money, we are too much of a PR opportunity and the Glazers are too greedy.
 

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literally everyone brings up City’s owners. Everyone. Consistently. It makes them a joke of a club, hence everyone wanting the Scousers to lose to them despite them being literally about twenty minutes from OT.

Saudi Arabia is an oil funded state that is barbaric. Literally barbaric. They don’t allow women or people of certain ethnicities to perform at sporting events.

Manchester United means more than winning leagues. It means so so much fecking more than that. I feel proud of Manchester United and their history. I wouldn’t be proud of a multi billion dollar hierarchy using the club to sports wash their standing in the world.

It would absolutely break my heart if this was to happen. My old mans as well. Plus a few more of my mates. We just want to see a team we like, who cares about us giving it a good go.
The club is owned by businessmen, just like every other major club. They don't give a shit about what you want to see or what makes you happy. Their actions are dictated by what makes them money. They will sell the club in a heartbeat if they receive an offer they believe is financially viable. That's how businesses operate. It's very common businesses deviate from what their consumers become accustomed to. In fact, this club has already undergone that change in the past few years. We've started sacking managers constantly, we've started heavily investing in players, we've hired managers who go against everything we use to stand for.

If you're so unhappy with the change, you're happy to go and support another club, but once again, that's also a business, so don't count out some rich state buying them out some day too.
 

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The thing is, that your favorite team is not your wife or your car. One can choose his wife, and he can divorce and get a new one. Same with a car. But with a team it works differently - the team chooses you, and it can never be changed.
Alemar, you can choose your wife or your car, but can your wife choose the car?
 

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feck this if it’s true.
 

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I don’t know how the FA & UK have allowed it for a country to own a football club. If this has any credence, I doubt it though, the biggest football club of england will be owned by Saudi Arabia:houllier:.

The worrying thing is that control & voice of the fans will further diminish under the Saudi ownership. Glazers, whatever to be said about them, are motivated to own United to earn money and eventually will take steps that do not completely alienate the vast majority of the fans. When a country with vast amount of wealth owns a Club, money from United will not be their primary objective. Think about it, if tomorrow they want to shut down the women’s football team, no amount of fan’s boycotts will make any difference to them. Thats a scary thought
 

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I don’t know how the FA & UK have allowed it for a country to own a football club. If this has any credence, I doubt it though, the biggest football club of england will be owned by Saudi Arabia:houllier:.

The worrying thing is that control & voice of the fans will further diminish under the Saudi ownership. Glazers, whatever to be said about them, are motivated to own United to earn money and eventually will take steps that do not completely alienate the vast majority of the fans. When a country with vast amount of wealth owns a Club, money from United will not be their primary objective. Think about it, if tomorrow they want to shut down the women’s football team, no amount of fan’s boycotts will make any difference to them. Thats a scary thought
The FA, UK and MU owners are only interested in money.
 

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What does human rights and football have to do with one another? I could understand the anger, if they were to get rid of the women's team or things along those lines as they are a direct impact to the club. I don't support Manchester United with the hope that one day they will bring world peace. It's football ffs, I enjoy watching United play (well I use to anyway) and the Saudi's owning United will not change that. To those mentioning terror funding and what not, are you ensuring any oil you're buying isn't from Saudi Arabia? Stop mixing two things that have no direct correlation to each other.
Well said. The Glazers too are not saints. They have certainly committed heinoius crimes as well in their business transactions to remain at the top. I care about MUFC. I want the FC part of MU to be on top always. Lately we have been only interested is MUBC(Man United Business Club). At least the Saudis will make us a football club again. Something we aren't currently. We are a tool for sponsors' PR. Can we get a poll on this please mods? Thanks.
 

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I don’t know how the FA & UK have allowed it for a country to own a football club. If this has any credence, I doubt it though, the biggest football club of england will be owned by Saudi Arabia:houllier:.

The worrying thing is that control & voice of the fans will further diminish under the Saudi ownership. Glazers, whatever to be said about them, are motivated to own United to earn money and eventually will take steps that do not completely alienate the vast majority of the fans. When a country with vast amount of wealth owns a Club, money from United will not be their primary objective. Think about it, if tomorrow they want to shut down the women’s football team, no amount of fan’s boycotts will make any difference to them. Thats a scary thought
The Glazers shut down the women's team and virtually nobody in the football world complained.
 

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Well said. The Glazers too are not saints. They have certainly committed heinoius crimes as well in their business transactions to remain at the top. I care about MUFC. I want the FC part of MU to be on top always. Lately we have been only interested is MUBC(Man United Business Club). At least the Saudis will make us a football club again. Something we aren't currently. We are a tool for sponsors' PR. Can we get a poll on this please mods? Thanks.
Football clubs are also about the community and upholding the shared values that have been formed throughout the history. It's not just about what happens on the football pitch and the amount of trophies won. But I see that many people are happy to sell their souls to get some short-term pleasure.
 

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literally everyone brings up City’s owners. Everyone. Consistently. It makes them a joke of a club, hence everyone wanting the Scousers to lose to them despite them being literally about twenty minutes from OT.

Saudi Arabia is an oil funded state that is barbaric. Literally barbaric. They don’t allow women or people of certain ethnicities to perform at sporting events.

Manchester United means more than winning leagues. It means so so much fecking more than that. I feel proud of Manchester United and their history. I wouldn’t be proud of a multi billion dollar hierarchy using the club to sports wash their standing in the world.

It would absolutely break my heart if this was to happen. My old mans as well. Plus a few more of my mates. We just want to see a team we like, who cares about us giving it a good go.
This.

Surely this can't be true. I'm surprised at the number of people who are willing to look past this is or are actively supporting it. No one likes the Glazers or feckin Woodward but using them as an excuse to justify this doesn't make sense to me. It doesn't have to be Glazers or the Saudis (I do understand that there are only a select few people who can afford United) but even if it had to be, I'd much rather the Glazers, the lesser of two evils. I actually was hoping most would be vehemently against it but doesn't seem to be the case. Would appreciate it if one of the mods can put up a poll if possible.

@Damien @Solius
 
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literally everyone brings up City’s owners. Everyone. Consistently. It makes them a joke of a club, hence everyone wanting the Scousers to lose to them despite them being literally about twenty minutes from OT.

Saudi Arabia is an oil funded state that is barbaric. Literally barbaric. They don’t allow women or people of certain ethnicities to perform at sporting events.

Manchester United means more than winning leagues. It means so so much fecking more than that. I feel proud of Manchester United and their history. I wouldn’t be proud of a multi billion dollar hierarchy using the club to sports wash their standing in the world.

It would absolutely break my heart if this was to happen. My old mans as well. Plus a few more of my mates. We just want to see a team we like, who cares about us giving it a good go.
Great post
 

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Football clubs are also about the community and upholding the shared values that have been formed throughout the history. It's not just about what happens on the football pitch and the amount of trophies won. But I see that many people are happy to sell their souls to get some short-term pleasure.
Whilst I am on the side that doesn't want this to go through, we've lost those values already. Look at the decisions we've made post SAF. It hasn't resembled the United of old at all. We've been sacking managers, left, right and centre, we've been hiring managers who have gone against everything this club use to stand for, we've invested a feck ton of money into the team with no avail, all while still having a huge debt above our heads. People who keep chiming about this 'United way' stuff need to really assess where the club is at now and where it's trying to go.

It doesn't give a feck about the United way, it cares about money.
 

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I don’t know how the FA & UK have allowed it for a country to own a football club. If this has any credence, I doubt it though, the biggest football club of england will be owned by Saudi Arabia:houllier:.

The worrying thing is that control & voice of the fans will further diminish under the Saudi ownership. Glazers, whatever to be said about them, are motivated to own United to earn money and eventually will take steps that do not completely alienate the vast majority of the fans. When a country with vast amount of wealth owns a Club, money from United will not be their primary objective. Think about it, if tomorrow they want to shut down the women’s football team, no amount of fan’s boycotts will make any difference to them. Thats a scary thought
It's really bewildering when you think about it, considering how important football is to the country, that this is allowed to happen.

It's a shame there wasn't anyone who was far sighted and motivated enough to be in a position to prevent these kind of things from happening way back when this could be prevented, say, back in the 90s.
 

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it's not about values, it's about basic human rights. Human rights you yourself think should matter with your whole "let them be" attitude.
But you forgot they live under Sharia laws.

I am not going to argue whether those laws are good or not (it’s based on religion, and religion is not something that may be labeled as “right” or “wrong”).

Yet, under Sharia laws, it is illegal to be a representative of LGBT, for example. I am not a specialist in Islam, but, apparently, their religion doesn’t allow it.

On the one hand, one needs to respect others’ human rights. On the other hand, one must also respect others’ laws and religious requirements. In this particular case of Saudi Arabia, there is certainly a contradiction
 

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@Wumminator Thank you. That was a fantastic post you made. I would add this, I currently live in a country where I see hundreds, if not thousands of refugees from Yemen who escaped from Saudis destroying their beautiful country. I don't know who I'll continue to support the club after this, I guess I would still watch because I'm hooked but I would feel rotten and disgusted inside.
 

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But you forgot they live under Sharia laws.

I am not going to argue whether those laws are good or not (it’s based on religion, and religion is not something that may be labeled as “right” or “wrong”).

Yet, under Sharia laws, it is illegal to be a representative of LGBT, for example. I am not a specialist in Islam, but, apparently, their religion doesn’t allow it.

On the one hand, one needs to respect others’ human rights. On the other hand, one must also respect others’ laws and religious requirements. In this particular case of Saudi Arabia, there is certainly a contradiction
The thing is, there is a huge hypocrisy about their laws. When some of those high Saudis go to countries from the Western world, they party even harder than the locals and they finance prostitution, they fly over escorts from all over the world.
 

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For the record I personally think this is going to happen, if not now pretty soon.

They have too much money, we are too much of a PR opportunity and the Glazers are too greedy.
Also the rebuilding is far too expensive for the Glazers to foot the bill.
 

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Whilst I am on the side that doesn't want this to go through, we've lost those values already. Look at the decisions we've made post SAF. It hasn't resembled the United of old at all. We've been sacking managers, left, right and centre, we've been hiring managers who have gone against everything this club use to stand for, we've invested a feck ton of money into the team with no avail, all while still having a huge debt above our heads. People who keep chiming about this 'United way' stuff need to really assess where the club is at now and where it's trying to go.

It doesn't give a feck about the United way, it cares about money.
And whose fault is that? I personally think we the fans have to take the most blame for allowing it to go this far and also for not being vocal enough about making sure the club is ran properly. Because there is no football without the fans, however it's been a steady process of becoming a game for the rich only.
 

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This.

Surely this can't be true. I'm surprised at the number of people who are willing to look past this is or are actively supporting it. No one likes the Glazers or feckin Woodward. I actually was hoping most would be vehemently against it but doesn't seem to be the case. Would appreciate it if one of the mods can put up a poll if possible.

@Damien @Solius
This, I'm mortified at how many people are perfectly happy at being owned by a state that is responsible for so much brutality and oppression. As much as I dislike the Glazer ownership, at least they are "just" businessmen that don't go around having their rivals murdered.
 

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The Express published a story 2 hours ago saying this is possible.

No facts though sounds like bullshit.
 

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Well said. The Glazers too are not saints. They have certainly committed heinoius crimes as well in their business transactions to remain at the top. I care about MUFC. I want the FC part of MU to be on top always. Lately we have been only interested is MUBC(Man United Business Club). At least the Saudis will make us a football club again. Something we aren't currently. We are a tool for sponsors' PR. Can we get a poll on this please mods? Thanks.
Mental gymnastics.

United have always been more than a football club, even in spite of the Glazers, they have been pretty much silent owners allowing Ferguson, Charlton and co to front the club.

All that will change with Saudi owners, the club won’t be our Manchester United anymore. It will be a ridiculous show piece for an oppressive regime. Any success and the first people you will see on screen will be the Saudis congratulating themselves.

Old Trafford and the surrounding area will be redeveloped and money will flow in, just like it did around Eastlands and in return the Saudis will lobby the government to keep selling them arms to keep throwing their weight around against their neighbours.

But as long as we’re fighting for the title all that can be looked over right?
 

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And whose fault is that? I personally think we the fans have to take the most blame for allowing it to go this far and also for not being vocal enough about making sure the club is ran properly. Because there is no football without the fans, however it's been a steady process of becoming a game for the rich only.
The blame lies with the FA,UEFA,FIFA,the British government and opposition fans.

United fans did as much as we could to get the Glazers out but all of the above didn't lift a finger to help us.
 
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