[Dr. Dwayne]

I've played football at a lower level with no coaches involved. It's easy to not look clueless and have a plan as a group. These players lose the plot too easily.

 

[RedIan]

Lack luster, no passion, no urgency, no creativity ...too many average players playing below average levels.... can only think they are knackered from Wednesday... very very disappointing.

 

[mav_9me]

Lack luster, no passion, no urgency, no creativity ...too many average players playing below average levels.... can only think they are knackered from Wednesday... very very disappointing.

Nope. That's who they are, inconsistent, lacking in quality.

 

[Giggsy9099]

Utter shite! I want the 2 hours of my life back!

 

[Siorac]

The team that played better defense, created more chances and scored more goals won the match.

It's really that simple, unfortunately.

I wasn't even that bothered, to be honest. It's par for the course now.

 

[Barnslig]

I have (played football) and the manager plays a huge role. Looking clueless is easy, especially when you follow certain instructions that aren't working.

Football has become very, very tactical game, put a clueless manager at helm and you will still be average, regardless of what top level players you bring.

I have also played football, though as I said not at a professional level.
But I can not fathom that a player that has played football for ~15 years will just turn to absolute trash because he's being told to pass the ball over the top rather than play quick passes and triangles? At the end of the day the players are the ones on the pitch carrying the responsibility and placing all the blame on the manager when the squad is ridiculously far from challenging is silly - anyway I thought Phelan was the one in charge of the training sessions and he seemed to do well enough when he coached Fergie's teams?

 

[manichester]

No excuses abysmal performance. players look gassed and there is no plan B against teams that defend deep. We are easily cut open by counter attacking teams and our centre backs struggle against forwards with power and pace.

 

[Enigma_87]

I have also played football, though as I said not at a professional level.
But I can not fathom that a player that has played football for ~15 years will just turn to absolute trash because he's being told to pass the ball over the top rather than play quick passes and triangles? At the end of the day the players are the ones on the pitch carrying the responsibility and placing all the blame on the manager when the squad is ridiculously far from challenging is silly - anyway I thought Phelan was the one in charge of the training sessions and he seemed to do well enough when he coached Fergie's teams?

I have in my country(pro level).

You can't ignore your managers instructions and do what you want.

We saw in the first half the one and the same drill as you said - pass the ball behind the defensive line and usually over the top. This is what you are asked and tasked to do.

Football is a team play, when the forward is asked to run into space and your instructions are to loft it to him, what can you do?

For triangles you need a certain attacking shape. We don't have one. We need players coming close and asking for the ball. We don't do that.

You drill those attacking patterns and you get used to it. We don't do that.

 

[Barnslig]

I've played football at a lower level with no coaches involved. It's easy to not look clueless and have a plan as a group. These players lose the plot too easily.

You would think players that comfortably plays in the Prem would be able to keep a relatively consistent level? We can't even do the basics right at the moment, basics every other team with all kinds of dross manages to do in no time. Look at Leicester and Rodgers f.ex, how the feck does that happen while we go through manager after manager with little to no progress?

That's enough to tell me it's not the manager (even though Ole might not be the right man for the job long-term), but the fact that the players simply are not good enough, and probably never will be.

 

[Sky1981]

I've played football at a lower level with no coaches involved. It's easy to not look clueless and have a plan as a group. These players lose the plot too easily.

Yeh, even mates who plays together week in week out can pull something resembling a plan.

They're professionals that plays together for years

 

[Tony Banta]

We have become Bournemouth's b***h last couple of years. Some easy points for them every season.

Today was only Bournemouth’s 3rd ever victory over us. We’ve lost twice in 9 PL games v Bournemouth and today’s defeat was our first v Bournemouth since December 2015.

The only other time we’ve dropped points to them was 2017, a 1-1 draw at OT. We beat them home & away in both of the last 2 seasons.

 

[Yakuza_devils]

The only positive from the game is Brandon Williams performance even though just for a short time. He looks real promising.

 

[Barnslig]

I have in my country(pro level).

You can't ignore your managers instructions and do what you want.

We saw in the first half the one and the same drill as you said - pass the ball behind the defensive line and usually over the top. This is what you are asked and tasked to do.

Football is a team play, when the forward is asked to run into space and your instructions are to loft it to him, what can you do?

For triangles you need a certain attacking shape. We don't have one. We need players coming close and asking for the ball. We don't do that.

You drill those attacking patterns and you get used to it. We don't do that.

Obviously not, and that's not what I am saying either - I am simply saying that no matter what your instructions are, you (as a professional footballer) should be able to do basics things of football, things like meeting the ball, short passing with your team mates, being open to receive a pass, shield the ball, look like you give a feck etc, no?

At the end of the day, the players out there are the ones not delivering, there's absolutely no reason we should be outworked and outmuscled by a Bournemouth team? Players loosing the ball and just walking after it is not down to Ole, that's down to piss poor players with piss poor attitudes.

 

[littleman]

MARTIAL IS OUR MOST IMPORTANT PLAYER

*snortles*

Reactionary weaklings out there, grasping to every single thread without being able to process football.
AM9 employees out there trying to build his brand.
Loudest when he's away. And when he's playing.. you disappear.
Lame.

On the whole of it, the facts remain.. team needs serious investment, including a manager, striker, CM, RW. I still think we can play better football within this season so I look forward to getting entertained.

 

[GiddyUp]

If we don't get some creative players in January we will struggle to finish top ten.

 

[Maticmaker]

Maguire's form has taken a real dive after a promising start

Yes, Maguire like all new players to the club, including AWB and Dan James, give them time and they will soon be playing 'the United way'.

I was hopeful that these three new players with the starts they have made would bump the rest up to a better standard, but somehow whether its our training methods, or our lack of imagination, lack of skills, or just lack of confidence, it becomes like a morass/swamp which sucks everybody down.

We have to find out how to (quoting D. Trump) "drain the swamp" before it sucks us into the relegation zone.

 

[Gordon S]

This was expected after a couple of more inspired performances. The game on wednesday really got to the players. They were very lacklustre today.

Our midfield becomes absolutely pointless against weaker teams that sit back. Three guys running their socks off but not nearly enough quality to find the gaps for our front three.

 

[Devil may care]

We started decently but faded as the game went on, James and Rashford had a couple of moments and I thought Martial was fouled in the box on that situation that caused the brew up, but we created next to nothing, Brandon Williams looked our biggest threat when he came on.

The sad thing is when we went 1-0 down I didn't really have much hope we'd get anything despite having a whole half to do so, at best I thought maybe a point. Truth is we have a workhorse midfield trio in Fred, McTominay and Pereira, none of them are good enough on the ball, they get about the pitch and get stuck in but beyond that there's not much, the best passes through the lines came from Lindelof and there were about 3 maximum.

 

[SadlerMUFC]

I still don't understand the reason to play a 4-2-3-1 when we don't have a proper #10. That formation should only be used to focus on the strength of top quality player in that position. We shouldn't be playing it if our options are Periera, Lingard or Mata. Why build a formation around any of those 3? If we insist on this formation then a proper #10 has to be a main priority in January. If not, then change the formation. Look at the players we have and build the best formation based on that. Perhaps Pogba can go into the #10 when (and if) he returns, but if not Pogba, then go to a 4-3-3 or even a basic 4-4-2

 

[Barnslig]

Anyone have a clip of Ole's post-match? Optus over here simply just swept that under the rug and moved on

EDIT: United just uploaded it on their youtube channel. Link for those interested

 

[MonkeysMagic]

I never thought I would see the day when a Utd manager says playing against the likes of Bournemouth is where the first goal is important! Practically admitting that after that a Utd team would struggle to win!

When you accept mediocrity as a club, that is precisely what you get.

 

[Irwin99]

Yes, Maguire like all new players to the club, including AWB and Dan James, give them time and they will soon be playing 'the United way'.

I was hopeful that these three new players with the starts they have made would bump the rest up to a better standard, but somehow whether its our training methods, or our lack of imagination, lack of skills, or just lack of confidence, it becomes like a morass/swamp which sucks everybody down.

We have to find out how to (quoting D. Trump) "drain the swamp" before it sucks us into the relegation zone.

I think that's the lack of leadership around the club.

I don't think he's been dreadful in any way shape or form but his performances have dropped from a consistent 8 to a 6 over the past month and it is a concern. He's just not showing enough in my opinion, his ball playing seems nowhere near as sharp as earlier in the season.

 

[Handsome Devil]

The team obviously couldn't be bothered.
On days like today, you ask yourself, why do WE still bother?

 

[Nou_Camp99]

Can the new manager get 10 new players with him tomorow?

A new manager can get more from this group though. Eddie Howe has just got 3 clean sheets on the bounce. How can he manage it? They are above us too.

 

[tjb]

If you watch the game, you will where the problems are. Personally I think we are sorted out in defence. There is not much better out there and I believe that both tuanzebe and William's will get those spots soon enough.
Our front 6, that's been the problem for the last 4 seasons. We cannot trust the front three to show quality week in week out since they have never proven they can do so. James has been the most consistent one. We really need additional consistent quality in one or two of those positions to supplement the youth we have there. Our attack front 3 stops us from challenging liverpool and city, but it's our lack of quality in midfield that has us outside the top 4. We badly need a defensive midfielder to play alongside mctominay, fred and matic are horrible. But our biggest issue is our number ten position. It offers no support to the front line and still finds a way to make our midfield seem like a two. No creativity, no hold up ability, no midfield support. Nothing. It loses us control of our away games, and this position more than any is the reason why we find it so difficult away from home these days.

 

[El Zoido]

Another manager would make very little difference. Maybe a bit, not as much as we want, still wouldn’t satisfy the fans.

Sorry to say but if we want to get back to the top the only way is by doing a City and giving a manager like Pep a blank chequebook. Sacking Ole is not the answer and will solve nothing.

 

[RedMilo]

An absolute abysmal performance. I was considering going to the Partizan game, but its left me not wanting to go.

This team has no clue how to put together a consistent run of performances, and run out of idea's very quickly when they are the team that have most possession in the game.

Only James for me looked anything like dangerous in first half but tailed off quite quickly. McT had an off day and was poor in his distribution. Fred always appears a busy player, but his quality on the ball is not very good. Also, why he keeps persisting with Pereira is beyond me, he lacks pace, vision and intelligence and to play as an AM you need at least 2 of those attributes.

Can Maguire actually jump, he gives away so many free kicks in the opposition box. Poor defending by AWB for their goal, tried to nip in less than 6 yards from goal, King felt him and then it was straightforward, as he had committed himself, schoolboy error.

In attack, a quiet and disappointing game for Martial and I genuinely didn't realise Rashford was playing until around 15 minutes into the game, he gradually got better but still not a good performance.

I suspect we will be ok in terms of relegation, but we are no way getting into top 6 at this rate, they don't have it in them.

Im very sad.....

 

[Escobar]

If we don't get some creative players in January we will struggle to finish top ten.

That Portuguiese player was not wanted by Ole...

 

[Massive Spanner]

The worst part about today is that I knew after around 20 minutes, when our performance was already deteriorating to shit and we didn't look like there were any hope of us scoring, that we'd either lose or draw that game. It's the knowing that you're going to continue to watch a game for another 70 minutes even though your team has zero chance of winning that's the worst.

Seems like a carbine copy of around 75% of our games under Ole.

 

[Maticmaker]

I think that's the lack of leadership around the club.

I don't think he's been dreadful in any way shape or form but his performances have dropped from a consistent 8 to a 6 over the past month and it is a concern. He's just not showing enough in my opinion, his ball playing seems nowhere near as sharp as earlier in the season.

Yes I agree leadership is an issue. I also agree that Maguire has done nothing wrong really but he appears to be going backwards not forwards.

However as a unit we seem to be totally unable to deal with teams who stifle us, who know our weaknesses, especially in midfield and exploit them. Against better teams who give us space we do well, results show that, but against any other side who smother us, or attack our lack of creativity in midfield, by stepping up their ability to win most of both first and a fair amount of second balls; then we just retreat into the 'warm blanket' of play the easy pass, move the ball sideways, backwards etc.

The conditions were an issue today and for the first twenty minutes we moved the ball forward as fast as we could and we looked like running out easy winners at that time, but suddenly when we haven't scored in that period, it seems like somewhere someone flicks a switch and we morph into something different, its almost as predictable now as the sunrise.

 

[sunama]

It's quiet simple. Swap the two managers and we would have won the game today. Ole's miles out of his depth and watching Utd these days is worse than getting your toe nails pulled by pliers.

Unfortunately, that's the crux of it.
But I would also add that our coaching staff need to be replaced. Carrick/McKenna, in particular, have known nothing but losing.
In their first season, they saw Jose get fired and finished 6th. In their 2nd season, we are currently in 8th place.
But the biggest problem we have is Woodward. If he stays and Ole is replaced, nothing will change and the next manager will be fired within 18 months.

 

[SadlerMUFC]

And I don't understand why late in the game when we were given a free kick around 25-30 yards out we decided to take a quick free kick rather than set something up. Rashford just scored a 35 yarder just a few days ago and we waste a free kick from that area???

 

[sunama]

One thing is 100% certain. Ole needs to ship the mediocre players out of the club or he will loose his job.

He won't (this season), because he has been assured by Woodie that his job is safe.
So, Ole will keep losing and won't feel any pressure. When he gets fired due to poor performance, he will say that he is very surprised and did not see this coming.
Woodie has a history of backing the manager publicly, then behind his back line up a replacement.

 

[Raven]

Absolutely shite display from Scott, Andreas and AWB today, really cost us, which is annoying because they've all been good lately. Probably should have went with a second team against Chelsea.

 

[Mihai]

Half step forward, two steps back

 

[GiddyUp]

You would think players that comfortably plays in the Prem would be able to keep a relatively consistent level? We can't even do the basics right at the moment, basics every other team with all kinds of dross manages to do in no time. Look at Leicester and Rodgers f.ex, how the feck does that happen while we go through manager after manager with little to no progress?

That's enough to tell me it's not the manager (even though Ole might not be the right man for the job long-term), but the fact that the players simply are not good enough, and probably never will be.

We certainly have a terrible group right now with no chemistry or guile. At least half the squad is far below the quality expected at this club.

 

[Tom Cato]

Where's the creativity? Where's the sense of direction?

With what players? We dont have the players.

 

[Kostur]

And I don't understand why late in the game when we were given a free kick around 25-30 yards out we decided to take a quick free kick rather than set something up. Rashford just scored a 35 yarder just a few days ago and we waste a free kick from that area???

Have you not seen any of our 10 corners today? Or the corners for the good past year?

 

[El Zoido]

He won't (this season), because he has been assured by Woodie that his job is safe.
So, Ole will keep losing and won't feel any pressure. When he gets fired due to poor performance, he will say that he is very surprised and did not see this coming.
Woodie has a history of backing the manager publicly, then behind his back line up a replacement.

Utter nonsense. His job is not safe, he cannot continue to lose. Of course he feels the pressure.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Have you not seen any of our 10 corners today? Or the corners for the good past year?

How can we not take a corner? It is one of the basics of football. Why can't we take a good throw in?