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At this rate it would be an improvement.They're going to turn Old Trafford into a mosque aren't they?
At this rate it would be an improvement.They're going to turn Old Trafford into a mosque aren't they?
Dwayne, I beg your forgiveness.I used to think quite highly of you Sultan. Not anymore.
But we spend money, in 2019 we spent 602m out of 627m on our operating expenses, that money is mainly spent on wages(+300m), registration acquisition(178m) and then others which is all the cost of maintaining the clubs real estate and paying third parties for security, cleaning and the thousands of people paid for specific missions(+100m).Again, I'm no expert in our wage structure, but I remember reading that even though we pay the highest in wages, our wage % compared to what we make is actually one of the lower in the league, so although yes, wages do take a chunk out of our earnings (which apparently get better as the years tick over), we should still be in a financial position to spend money.
I know we've spent quite a lot since Fergie has left, but we also didn't spend 'that much' while Fergie was here and the last two years especially, we've spent quite small in comparisons to other clubs.
As I said earlier, Villa spent 140m this year, thats around the same net spend we did in the last two years.
What I can agree on is, we have an idiot in charge by the name of Woodward who gets it wrong every time.
Do I want the Saudis in charge, no, but I also don't want the Glazers with their puppet Woodward here either.
Problem is, there really isn't another way out of this. (Again, that's not me saying I'd rather have the Saudis over the Glazers)
No, even at the time it was surprisingly low. People were expecting a world-record transfer fee. He certainly had the profile to demand one. In the 60-70 million range. 25 would be closer to 45-50 nowadays.Well I’m not sure what reports you read mate but I remember them spewing nonsense about shirt sales. They may have even started that myth.
Beckham for £25m May have been slightly underpriced but not by a lot and it certainly wasn’t peanuts in any context.
I also think the current administration would have no problem selling a 29 year old beckham as now like then it would have been the last chance to get good money for him.
£25m from 2003 in today’s transfer market is probably around £100m+. That sort of fee for an academy player who cost nothing and whose best years are behind him would be a tempting offer for the board. Especially if he wasn’t in the current managers plans.
Shall we compare which government has killed more innocent Arab civilians over the years?Great job shifting goalposts. At least you've stopped the ridiculous comparisons with Trump and US government.
So it’s not that you mind bad people owning the club. Got it.I would imagine there are various degrees. E.g billionaires who don’t pay tax and exploit loopholes and workers rights (reprehensible) or billionaires that support systems of murdering homosexuals and abusing women (a whole different kind of evil). I’d rather have the former kind if I had to pick between the two.
Definitely the US govt but the Glazers are not the US govt. They might be thrifty sucking parasites but you cannot compare their crimes with those of the Saudi government - who is interested to in buying the clubShall we compare which government has killed more innocent Arab civilians over the years?
It’s mostly halal burgers served all over the forecourt these days so shouldn’t be too much more of an adjustment for most. Though I do fear for Fred the Red.Yep. Everyone will have to take thier shoes off to come in, cover thier heads, no pork pies or beers, halal only. Also congregational prayers at half time, especially if we're losing.
Massively agreed here. In no way should religion be the foundations in which a government should be run, not in 2019. Religion is a personal truth, not an objective truth, and should never be treated as such. Government should be run on, objective, proven truths only, and any state or country ran with religious under currents as their main foundation will forever live in the past.Nothing to do with being brown and foreign. I’m just not a fan of Islam, it’s regressive, oppressive and damn right nasty at times when it’s mixed with government. No separation between religion and state is a bad idea.
Read the post I responded to again. It was in reference to comparing governments. All in all in the U.S killing innocent Arab civilians is negotiable, which makes the outrage over this utterly comical. Not sure how it is in England.Definitely the US govt but the Glazers are not the US govt. They might be thrifty sucking parasites but you cannot compare their crimes with those of the Saudi government - who is interested to in buying the club
The menu will read: 'Saudi with a chance of meatballs'.It’s mostly halal burgers served all over the forecourt these days
That post was about a poster mixing trump and the US government.Read the post I responded to again. It was in reference to comparing governments. All in all in the U.S killing innocent Arab civilians is negotiable, which makes the outrage over this utterly comical. Not sure how it is in England.
No history of unabated slaughter in Christianity and Judaism?Nothing to do with being brown and foreign. I’m just not a fan of Islam, it’s regressive, oppressive and damn right nasty at times when it’s mixed with government. No separation between religion and state is a bad idea.
How do your posts make any sense given that the poster you quoted was pointing out how ridiculous it is to compare being owned by the Saudi royal family to being owned by the US government?Read the post I responded to again. It was in reference to comparing governments. All in all in the U.S killing innocent Arab civilians is negotiable, which makes the outrage over this utterly comical. Not sure how it is in England.
I think one upside that can be seen from this, and not a football view point. Owning United would put the state under even more scrutiny, see across the city.Definitely the US govt but the Glazers are not the US govt. They might be thrifty sucking parasites but you cannot compare their crimes with those of the Saudi government - who is interested to in buying the club
Yes, what’s your point? Islamic states that have brutal laws based on Islam are ok because others have done it? It’s just in the current period Islam is a problem globally. Doesn’t mean other religions haven’t done shit in the past.No history of unabated slaughter in Christianity and Judaism?
I pretty much said that there are different degrees of 'bad'. In sum, I do want the glazers out but I'm not exactly keen on the Saudi takeover for reasons stated.So it’s not that you mind bad people owning the club. Got it.
I predicted Spain for 2008-10-12, Germany for 2014 and France for 2018.All those in favor of this Saudi takeover, does it not bother you that any silverware the club attains at any point during their leadership will be illegitimate, tainted and ultimately worthless?
Why do you find one more objectionable than the next? I also don’t understand why a murderous government that does its killing overseas and lies to its citizens about the reason while sending its own young men and women to their death, is morally superior to a murderous theocratic regime.Yes, what’s your point? Islamic states that have brutal laws based on Islam are ok because others have done it? It’s just in the current period Islam is a problem globally. Doesn’t mean other religions haven’t done shit in the past.
Sorry, you lost me.I predicted Spain for 2008-10-12, Germany for 2014 and France for 2018.
Plus no
How tainted Man Cit and Chelsea now?
It’s not ridiculous to compare if your issue with the Saudi government is its murderous ways. Our government (no matter the president mind you) puts them to shame.How do your posts make any sense given that the poster you quoted was pointing out how ridiculous it is to compare being owned by the Saudi royal family to being owned by the US government?
We're being linked to the Saudi royal family, not the US government. A few posters have tried to equate being owned by American citizens with being owned by the US government and have also been called out for their stupidity.
Fred will have additional duties of flogging any player who scores less than 6/10 on the Redcafe player rating polls.It’s mostly halal burgers served all over the forecourt these days so shouldn’t be too much more of an adjustment for most. Though I do fear for Fred the Red.
This point I’ll concede. Our current owners do not give a feck about competing with the UAE owned club.Lets be clear about something, everyone knows what Saudia Arabia are up to, it's not a secret and they are protected by the security council who doesn't give a damn about Manchester United. We are not talking about the micro states that are Qatar and UAE who couldn't be put on the map and were for the most part mixed with other Arab nations or flat out mixed with Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia don't need a new image among populace, they have enough money to annual attract the most important people in the world which is why we annually hear about that rumor, as long as the security council members have good use of their oil, SA are immune to everything. If the Sauds decide to buy the club, it will be a vanity purchase with only goal to show UAE and Qatar who is daddy.
It has nothing to do with the thread unless the the US government has been linked to buying United.It’s not ridiculous to compare if your issue with the Saudi government is its murderous ways. Our government (no matter the president mind you) puts them to shame.
I can see where you are coming from, and yes, there will be a taint, because I can guarantee you, not everybody will be 100% happy with this takeover. I see it like this, I love my country, and If some corrupt official became PM, I wouldnt turn my back on the place I was raised and love, id fight its corner and continue to love what I love about it. Obviously, wildly different circumstances, but my point would still hold the same, my love for United runs deeper than ownership. I mean, it's not like we are avidly seeking this takeover, we dont have a choice in the matter, which sucks.All those in favor of this Saudi takeover, does it not bother you that any silverware the club attains at any point during their leadership will be illegitimate, tainted and ultimately worthless?
Are they though? Or do you just pretend they are so that it makes you feel better?Sorry, you lost me.
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Very tainted.
I think thats fair. Pogba is really up the creekFred will have additional duties of flogging any player who scores less than 6/10 on the Redcafe player rating polls.
I feel for you. I mean it's such a pesky irritation, when the reality of the world doesn't fit so neatly into your own strategically compartmentalised view of the world, hey?How do your posts make any sense given that the poster you quoted was pointing out how ridiculous it is to compare being owned by the Saudi royal family to being owned by the US government?
We're being linked to the Saudi royal family, not the US government. A few posters have tried to equate being owned by American citizens with being owned by the US government and have also been called out for their stupidity.
They can't compete with a state, they couldn't even compete with the cheikh himself. Our current owners do not have the cash to do something like, it's important to remember that when people read about billionaires worth, most of it is attached to assets, it's often not even that liquid and in the case of the Glazers it's not liquid at all since most of their wealth was/is in commercial real estate, they are not selling buildings that create money to lose it on a football club and most billionaire wouldn't.This point I’ll concede. Our current owners do not give a feck about competing with the UAE owned club.
If they bought us, we're their contest puppies, not champion of changes.I think one upside that can be seen from this, and not a football view point. Owning United would put the state under even more scrutiny, see across the city.
If people could possibly see this as a country, that is stuck in times that need to change, and possibly want to change, then this could be seen as a step in that direction. I would never wipe sins away from people, but every government and nation has had to go through massive upheavals in what was the society they lived in. See America, 60 years ago, racism was so bad still, that they would have public, government supported, lynchings......60 years ago. Britain, not too long ago, had it's own racist believes built into the core, that had to be stripped away.
Maybe the country, and parts of the government see this as a way of bettering their nation? I imagine the population of Saudi would love this to happen, as the love for United their is phenomenal, and maybe, the population see this as a step to opening up to the rest of the world, as Dubai, UAE and others have recently.
What is the reality of the world?I feel for you. I mean it's such a pesky irritation, when the reality of the world doesn't fit so neatly into your own strategically compartmentalised view of the world, hey?
World record fee for Beckham really?No, even at the time it was surprisingly low. People were expecting a world-record transfer fee. He certainly had the profile to demand one. In the 60-70 million range. 25 would be closer to 45-50 nowadays.
They could, with the money spent have done this, easily, but they just don't give a feck about putting the right structure in place to achieve this, that is the biggest mystery of all, so we're left wanting a change of ownership, when all we need is a change of approach.This point I’ll concede. Our current owners do not give a feck about competing with the UAE owned club.
In the modern world I don’t think there is any argument about the biggest religious threat to liberty. It’s Islam surely?Why do you find one more objectionable than the next? I also don’t understand why a murderous government that does its killing overseas and lies to its citizens about the reason while sending its own young men and women to their death, is morally superior to a murderous theocratic regime.
I'd ask you to look at the influence and positivity United has spread around the globe in the years it has been established, then get back to me on that. May be laughable for some, but a football club means more than entertainment purposes to some people.If they bought us, we're their contest puppies, not champion of changes.
We're just a fooball club, not some mythical holyland
I know you are a better man than to just look the other way for better football results here, Sults.Dwayne, I beg your forgiveness.![]()
From Nov 2018Not really.
only the upper management know what’s happening, and the Saudis.
the press will only know when it gets leaked, but right now it’s being kept very quiet.
the rumours that a take over is happening has been going for months, a few journalists speculated talks would happen while this investor event happened.
now we’ve seen 1 of our main men having a private meeting with several Saudi power men, is that a coincidence?
maybe it’s not as close “yet” and they’re considering the option, hence all the talk on Twitter and them genuinely asking for opinions if it’s a good idea.
I think the glazers are deciding now could be a good time to leave, they’ll give the Saudis the option in the summer. Watch this space.
The Saudis couldn't care less about what's best for the club, cleaning their image and getting one over on the UAE is their only motivation. The stadium falling apart is way down the list of priorities just as it has been for the Glazers.I can see where you are coming from, and yes, there will be a taint, because I can guarantee you, not everybody will be 100% happy with this takeover. I see it like this, I love my country, and I'd some corrupt official became PM, I wouldnt turn my back on the place I was raised and love, id fight its corner and continue to love what I love about it. Obviously, wildly different circumstances, but my point would still hold the same, my love for United runs deeper than ownership. I mean, it's not like we are avidly seeking this takeover, we dont have a choice in the matter, which sucks.
But to continue with you question, yes tainted, but not illigitamte, we earn far too much money that this take over will make much difference to that, my main concern is wanting a owner that wants what's best for my club. I am tired of seeing cracks, mould and outdatedness all over the stadium I was in awe of as a child, and thought of as a masterpiece.
No.Are they though? Or do you just pretend they are so that it makes you feel better?
End of the day history books say they won their trophies and they are in black and white just as much as ours are.
I think the Glazers selling the club is closer than we think. If our football continues to decline, and by all accounts at this time it will, then the financial success the Glazers have enjoyed will also decline. That is when they will either restructure the football side of the business to be successful again or they will cash out.Not really.
only the upper management know what’s happening, and the Saudis.
the press will only know when it gets leaked, but right now it’s being kept very quiet.
the rumours that a take over is happening has been going for months, a few journalists speculated talks would happen while this investor event happened.
now we’ve seen 1 of our main men having a private meeting with several Saudi power men, is that a coincidence?
maybe it’s not as close “yet” and they’re considering the option, hence all the talk on Twitter and them genuinely asking for opinions if it’s a good idea.
I think the glazers are deciding now could be a good time to leave, they’ll give the Saudis the option in the summer. Watch this space.