Blame a general subservience of fans to managers and a board that doesn't know football well enough to act.
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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Yeah, I agree totally but there must be somekind of golden middle way. Something like ”we have great players and they can get the job done, but we cant handle any injuries moving forward.”
Kinda reminds of a job situation I had at the butchers shop. We had this one guy working there who was all the time moaning to the owners about the working tools (knives mostly) and he kepy moaning and one day the the owners brought new tools for us and everybody was happy. My point being that as an employed you have to have to courage to demand propper tools/support for doing a propper job.
Everybody is losing at the moment, the club, the owners but most importantly the fans.
How the poll is still pretty even is beyond me. If he wasn't Ole and was just some random manager with no connection to the club, the knives would have been out long ago.
He's a lovely guy, will always be fondly remembered as a player but he's wholly unqualified for this job and he's driving us to a bottom half finish.
He's a lovely guy, will always be fondly remembered as a player but he's wholly unqualified for this job and he's driving us to a bottom half finish.
I pray he fecking resigns.
When a large percentage of our vocal fans left for FCUoM this was always going to happen. We have been left with the "if you don't like it don't support group".
Im sorry but being critical probably shows you care a whole lot more than those who blindly pretend things are fine.
Our support has become very submissive. Strange for such a big club which should have equally big ambitions.
Bayern fire their coach after a bad loss and being 4th in the table. Ole has us in 10th, playing even worse and yet there doesn’t seem to be any pressure from the club. Hard to believe United were once in the same conversation as Europe’s elite clubs.
The club deserves Ole and the ridicule we are getting.
1. Cant disagree with that, but this is the main (and soon only) reason i still back Ole to some degree is because of transfers. Despite crap on a stick football and horrific results, his three buys have been excellent, i would argue AWB and James have been our best performers this year and he was also willing to get rid of some deadwood and bad apples, despite it obviously leaving us very thin in certain areas. In any case, that is more than can be said about Moyes, LvG and Jose who ultimately left the squad in a worse state than they found it.
2. I wrote this in the other tread and since im lazy im just going to copy it instead of typing it out again. On my last flight to Manchester i talked with a guy who claimed to be best mates with Daniel Berg Hæstad (was captain under Ole in Molde). He told me Ole trusted his coaches to conduct the training sessions and half the time he was not even there. He also mostly listened to his tactical coaches regarding team selections and in-game tactics. Now this was just some guy, but it seems like a strange thing to lie about and imo if this was how he did things at Molde i dont see why it is any different here. Regarding our coaches though, i seem to remember us getting significantly worse when Jose replaced Rui Faria with Carrick/McKenna and i also seem to remember Phelan was a big step down from Queiroz. Take that as you want. Not trying to exonerate Ole here as he is the man in charge after all and it was he who picked the coaches, but if this guy i met is to be believed, his involvement in the actual coaching part is pretty limited. And i might be wrong about this one, but did not Fergie as well mostly leave the coaching to his coaches while he was sat in the office?
3. This is fair criticism, but none of us know exactly what has happened here. It might have been that Ole have vastly overrated the players he had and went into the season thinking that midfield would be good enough, but we both know how unreliable transfer news are and most of them are downright click bait fabrications. Maybe Woody was being a tight arse and demanded we slashed the wage bill before we got any new ones in? Woody is also not exactly known for his excellent transfer negotiating skills so maybe we had more deals on the table that fell through because he fecked around? In any case, we have done plenty of bad business over the years so i would much prefer we wait until the right targets are available instead of taking more punts and hope for the best.
Regarding that bolded part. It makes perfect sense and i can see where you are coming from. Of course every big job comes with some level of pressure. When Ole took over after Jose in December there was very little he could do except change the mood and do some small tactical changes, the same will be true for whoever if they take over for Ole now. I am also pretty certain that if we get a new manager now, nothing will happen in January since 2 months is not enough time to get to know all the players and see where they fit.
I am not enjoying this more than you do. Seeing that shite we served up vs B'mouth really ruined my weekend. But even if we end up 10th it wont destroy us as a club. I am much more concerned if we end up with a reputation of being a managers graveyard, where you would be afforded very little time to make your impact. Since Fergie left we have ended up 7th, 4th, 5th, 6th, 2nd and 6th. Not exactly amazing that, and Ole last season overall ended up 3rd, and that very much includes our implosion at the end of the year. Since 2013 we have also seen our squad deteriorate badly and the rise of City and Liverpool as probably the best clubs in the world right now, which means top 4 is harder then it has been in some time. Also, keep in mind that this is largely the same group of players that have failed under 3(4) different managers so regardless of who is managing us, there is a lot of work to be done before we can even begin discussing challenging for the league. In my opinion, the reason behind the shite football is not a coaching issue, but more of a player quality issue and i think no amount of coaching is going to turn Fred, Lindgaard and Pereira into good footballers, or turn Mata, Matic and Young any younger
10th is clearly not good enough, but considering how tight the league is this year two wins in a row and suddenly we are back up to EL qualifications. Spurs for example are even worse than us and that squad on paper shits all over ours. Getting a new manager now could maybe fix all our plights (i seriously doubt that) but it could also backfire spectacularly. Say if we got Allegri in now, he fails to turn the ship around and we end up 6th-7th. Do we sack him then? And even if we dont sack him, getting here now and having a mediocre season would mean the pressure to deliver next year would be immense. Anything less than top 4 and soon calls for his head will be heard as well. Meanwhile, if we continue our season in this fashion and Ole is sacked, then the next manager will start the 2020/21 season with a clean slate and the knowledge that at least some patience will be shown to him both from the fans and from the club.
So me not wanting Ole sacked now is not because some romantic notion or because i put him above the club. It is from a very pragmatic standpoint because i firmly believe its a very risky move and it does a huge disservice to whoever comes next. Also, maybe Ole can use his personal connections to lure Haaland here and we go on an amazing winning streak after Christmas and somehow end up 3rd
1. Calling those three players a success is based on how they will fare under the next manager when Solskjaer goes(inevitably it will happen at some point). Maguire and AWB are a bit specific in their style so they might not suit that well the next manager, unless they are versatile enough to adjust to different formation/style. James would probably be success in both ways as he would be always useful even from the bench and the transfer sum he was brought in for isn't all that much so he would add value to the squad. However I can't say it's down to Ole that one, cause it's pretty much Giggs recommendation.
2. Not sure what to make of that one. If Ole's involvement is limited in coaching then again it's down to him to hire good coaches, so it won't look well either way. As for Fergie - it's true that Queiroz was handling the majority of the training, but after he left I'm not sure how Phelan was involved in the process, so can't really comment on it.
3. Woody is out of his depth, that much is clear so I won't try to deflect his blame. However on the footballing side it's Ole who has to take/make those decision and should receive the majority of the blame when he leaves the squad in such state. Again there were options - cheaper ones, loans, or whatever you like but putting too much faith in the youngsters to me is all on Ole. You can't realistically expect Woody to be the one deciding if they are good or not.
In terms of sacking him now - looking at the league and how inconsistent some of the sides are we can probably make another challenge at top 4 spots if we get a better manager in. But in order to do that we need to act quickly and try to change things. We're 10 points adrift now and another 1 or 2 bad results against lower sides might put us out of the top 4 race come the end of this month.
Of course we agree that a lot of work needs to be done and a lot of patience should be shown, but only if we have someone we can get back to. I mean 10 months are well enough, along with his former credentials, to see that he's not up for the job and should be sacked.
If we get Allegri now and he finishes the season 5-6th I can't see why not he should not get some time and chance to prove his worth. If we see a change in the playing style and some progress and direction - even if we finish 5th next year then yeah we can give him time.
The difference between Ole and managers like Allegri, Poch, Tuchel or the young ones - Nagelsmann, Ten Hag, Rose is that the former are proven ones that can show their worth not only in words but also on the pitch. The latter ones, are progressive and young coaches with a clear pattern of play that we can get behind and expect some progress on the long run.
Ole is neither of those. He has been in management for over 10 years with little to no success(unless counting Norway) and he doesn't have a recognized style and pattern of play.
In terms of risks - I don't see our squad being 10th or worse - so sacking him now will only make it better on the short term this season. Many of his in game tactics, formation and pattern of plays are downside negative and counterproductive. To me there are very few that could do worse till the end of the season.
During this time - use it to make the right appointment and contact all of the managers we should be tracking and we will be interested in.
That's my take on it.
10 games into the season and only 4 points off the top.
We're 10 points off 4th place, let alone the top and Ole is given backing from the board. Mental.
Wow they sacked him? They also did the same with Carlo Anchelotti and sacked him in fecking Sep after losing to PSG by 3-0. They don't joke.
Nevermind Ole's at the wheel.
It’s not that. I don’t care if he’s a legend. Plus, I’m also not either passionately in the Ole out or in. I’m all replacing ole, I just don’t want another chaotic transition. Despite his negatives and lack of tactical nous, he has also bought in some good players, given some youngsters their first starts.
I’m up for a new manager if we can get someone to build on the positives. Someone who can make the most of this inexperienced squad and slowly blend it with signings that will replace deadwood and improve on players that need upgrade.
What I don’t want is a radical overhaul, like we did with the van gaal to mourinho transition.
There’s a lot of short sighted people on here who think it should be Allegri. They assume he will come and fix things very quickly. What ole has at his hands is an uphill task. A side with young players that is still going having it’s teething issues.
I do think ole has his limitations and would look to phase him out. But, there’s no need to do straightaway. Let’s wait till someone that build on this can become available or if someone comes along.
Also, the next coach will have his teething problems. Will you be patient enough for him? Regardless of who we get, at this point in time, they will all have to wait a 2 seasons to start competing again.
You are forgetting that we are 5 points from the relegation zone. I entirely agree with you about not only the board but some here who wants him to stay. Any decent coach around would do better than him even temporarily. Even Big Sam. At least we will win more games and lose less games.
I think McT is the most improved player in the last 9-10 months and he will be a clear starter for Bournemouth. I don't know who Lemar is considering you mentioned it twice so far (
) but if that is Lerma he's an average player and Bournemouth is his level. Fraser was hyped up last year but hasn't really convinced me hes a top 6 material - far from it. Billing looks good but again I'd take McT. Both Wilsons wouldn't get a starting spot at United and for all the stick Rashford gets he's much better than the likes of King. Martial also is better than whoever you put up in comparison.
Pereira is average, but if he goes to Bournemouth I can see him starting there.
Bournemouth are compact and well organized side, but their attack and front 6 isn't any better than the bottom placed teams. They have scored 14 goals in 11 games. Failed to score in more than 300 minutes before our game so you are really overrating them from my point of view.
Without sounding like an infamous Arsenal Fan TV regular........
It's time to go !!!
It's time to go !!!
I struggle to recall any top team in any league that would leave their manager at helm after 11 games having more losses than wins and being so far from the top. Even if we don't consider the last season, just those 11 games alone would be enough for most clubs.
You obviously have a mid table mentality because SM is at best a squad player in a 5th-10th place team as a destroyer. He's utterly useless in a midfield in any team that has no creative midfielders. He's not making the bench in a legit top 4 side.I think McT is the most improved player in the last 9-10 months and he will be a clear starter for Bournemouth. I don't know who Lemar is considering you mentioned it twice so far (
Billing looks good but again I'd take McT. Both Wilsons wouldn't get a starting spot at United and for all the stick Rashford gets he's much better than the likes of King. Martial also is better than whoever you put up in comparison.
Pereira is average, but if he goes to Bournemouth I can see him starting there.
Bournemouth are compact and well organized side, but their attack and front 6 isn't any better than the bottom placed teams. They have scored 14 goals in 11 games. Failed to score in more than 300 minutes before our game so you are really overrating them from my point of view.
Without Howe, who is doing a good job, Bournemouth will be relegation candidates and easily a bottom half side. This was the direct comparison we were discussing.
McT might not be good for a top 4 side(and to me he's a good backup option but not first teamer), but is better than the likes of Lerma.
I think it's a few things combining keeping him there.
The things you mention, ex legendary player and nice guy who won't stir any issues up, mixed in with the mess the previous manager left us in, along with the Glazers/Woodward problem, which won't go away quickly.
I fear he has free reign this season, unless we genuinely look like we might face a relegation battle - which we surely won't, unless Rashford and Martial get injured together.
The pressure was ramping up before the international break, with stories about how a bad loss v Liverpool would see the sack.
Instead we put a creditable draw in, won the next 2 games, got to 7th and the pressure totally eased. This happened a couple of times with Van Gaal and Mourinho too - the brink, then rescuing it for a few months.
Yesterday is another low, but with a Europa game and Brighton home up next, every chance the pressure eases again, and so it continues.
Yeah but unfortunately the problem we have is Bayern will have a big list of potential replacements that are up to snuff and we might just, if we're lucky, get Poch. Maybe. If we're lucky.
I haven't changed my mind unfortunately. Ole has to go but so too does Woodward. For anything football related, that is.
Let me help you remember. Do you remember when Spurs back in 2019 were runners up in Champions League? And then they brought in Ndbomélé, Ryan Sessegnon and Lo Celso, only selling Trippier? They also declined to offer Llorente a new contract. The following season, they had pretty much the same stats as us after 11 games. And Mourinho's last season in Chelsea. He made the squad toxic as f.., and they had less than one point average at the time they sacked him in December. I don't remember how bad it was, but LVG also had an awful start for us.
I am disappointed by the lack of improvement we had this season. The game against Newcastle was woeful. The games against Wolves, CP, Saints, and even Arsenal, we should have won. The table doesn't lie, we say. Except when it does. Leicester never had a squad that was good enough to challenge for titles, except they won it. Then they sold Kante to Chelsea, who just had a woeful season (Mourinho, remember), and suddenly Chelsea had a good enough squad to win a league title.
I'm not sure Solskjaer will bring us silverware, but I'm still confident we won't buy 30+ years old world-beaters in steep decline on hefty contracts (Basti, Sanchez, Matic, Mata). If Solskjaer won't win anything, at least we just need a DOF and a new manager who can build on with our current squad.
I'm grasping at straws here. But I truly don't believe sacking the manager without having a bigger plan of a DOF will be good for us.
If we brought in a DOF the next few weeks, I'd be very worried if I was Ole. And I also believe we should bring in a DOF.
We can’t afford to fire him until champions league is impossible. Thankfully he is doing so shit that mathematically that may be by christmas!
Not sure about that. Many are underestimating the pull we have when it comes to attracting top managers.
Same Poch who is under fire and probably leading in many sack races? Despite his overall contribution if he keeps up like this it will be the end of the cycle for him and in regards to Spurs - they aren't a top team despite reaching a CL final. My question was related to teams that have actually won the league in the last 50 years or so.
If we want to reach again the heights under Ferguson Spurs aren't a benchmark. Bayern - is.
It's not lack of progress - it's downright regression since last season and when Jose lost his job(at least he was 6th or something).
Under Ole we gave some hefty contracts too. Where else will Rashford and Shaw get contracts like these?
McTominay might have improved, but it is still an improvement from awful to average. He wouldn't be a shoe-in at Bournemouth because he isn't better than Billing and Lerma(yes, Lerma), and since he became a regular, our results has been no better than that of Lerma and Billing's Bournemouth. I don't see a single thing that shows he is better than either. He plays for Scotland and doesn't perform much better than McLean, McGregor and McGinn. He starts regularly for us, and we are tenth. He is no Pirlo in terms of technique or skill either. Bournemouth might be Lerma's level, but we're on a similar level.I think McT is the most improved player in the last 9-10 months and he will be a clear starter for Bournemouth. I don't know who Lemar is considering you mentioned it twice so far (
Billing looks good but again I'd take McT. Both Wilsons wouldn't get a starting spot at United and for all the stick Rashford gets he's much better than the likes of King. Martial also is better than whoever you put up in comparison.
Pereira is average, but if he goes to Bournemouth I can see him starting there.
Bournemouth are compact and well organized side, but their attack and front 6 isn't any better than the bottom placed teams. They have scored 14 goals in 11 games. Failed to score in more than 300 minutes before our game so you are really overrating them from my point of view.
Whether Fraser is top six material doesn't matter because we aren't a top six side, and I'd like you to tell me what Pereira has done that shows he can get into Bournemouth's team ahead of that front four. We have Daniel James starting for us and you think Harry Wilson wouldn't? Both were in the Championship last season and James didn't perform much better. Callum Wilson who wouldn't get a starting spot scored 20 goals in the Championship.
Speaking of Callum Wilson, he scores a similar amount of goals to Martial and Rashford so dunno how they are much better except being younger with the potential to get better? It isn't a comparison between Lukaku and Firmino either where first touch would be mentioned. Even if Martial and Rashford are better than King and Wilson, then Pereira and James - who you seem reluctant to engage in a direct comparison with - easily cancels them out. Fred? He hasn't been pulling up trees either, for us or for Brazil.
It's a comparison between Bournemouth's VI and our VI not who is good enough for the top six or whether Bournemouth are good or not. You haven't been able to prove to me that our VI is better - I say it is similar in quality if not worse. You pointed out that they have scored 14 goals in 11 games, and I point out that we have scored 13 in 11. Similar right? You pointed out that they went 300minutes without a goal, and I point out that we went 12 games without more than 1 goal. Similar midfield and attack? Similar delivery.
If your perception is that I'm overrating Bournemouth's attack, then that is pretty what everyone has been doing with ours. I've weighed both, and none easily came out on top. You can bash good Ol' Ole as much as you can, but reality doesn't have to be distorted.
So how do you explain Bournemouth finishing 14th last year with pretty much the same team, bar Billing and Harry Wilson?
You didn't really prove Bournemouth have better front 6 than us either, it's your opinion and nothing else.
Without Klopp and his system, do you see players like Wijnaldum, Milner, Lovren, Henderson, Lallana getting anywhere near City's squad, yet those players are Liverpool regulars going neck to neck with City last year and leading them 6 points this one?
I bet you praised the lads when Ole was on a winning run, now they are all shite right?
Why would the board not back him? They were the ones not able to buy in all the players we so obviously needed.
I though we'd be in a fight to finish 6th when we let Lukaku, Sanchez and Smalling go after the window had closed. I'm pretty sure the board will have been aware of that possibility, especially if we were hit with a series of important injuries.
Ole hasn't been great. But in all honesty, he hasn't made any more mistakes than Moyes, LVG or Mourinho. We need better players, then lets see if we still need yet another new manager.
If that was the answer we would've seen many incompetent managers still going years after years.
The manager is accountable for the results with the set of players he has. He is also accountable for the state he left our squad after the Summer.
For the first bolded part - you don't know that, nor the details around it. Ole said there were options available but we chose not to do it. How can the board/Woodward judge players ability and if they are good enough to see out the season? This is definitely not their strength nor responsibility.
Every manager needs better players, this is a cop out answer. I bet Klopp needs better players at certain positions. Pep also needs better defensive players at certain positions - shall every manager get a free ride because he needs better players?
Letting Smalling/Sanchez/Lukaku go is as much on Ole as you can get. Not getting replacements for Sanches and Lukaku as well.
Seriously you are making excuses just for the sake of it.
The problem though is that it isn't the same lads. Pogba, Herrera, Matic, Lukaku definitely. Smalling and Shaw in other positions. Jones and Lingard are still with the squad though.
Liverpool have some top players, and they are usually lucky with injuries, though Klopp is good.
I didn't prove that Bournemouth's attack or midfield is better than ours, and I didn't say I did, but looking at what both set of players has done in the EPL, I wouldn't say ours is better. Bournemouth finished 14th last season, but who knows where they will be finishing this season. Maybe 14th again, maybe we are finishing 14th too. Similar players, maybe similar position? I can't wait for Pogba and Shaw to comeback though, that's for sure, and perhaps the January transfer window too.
I agree re radical transition although I think it's hard to find a worse idea than Moyes, followed by LVG, followed by Mou, followed by Ole in world football.
The bolded part is what I don't get, why would we not need to do it straightaway? Every day he's at the club is a day missed where another manager could be working with these players who, despite being nowhere near the best teams in the league, are a damn sight better than they're currently showing.
Someone isn't just going to 'come along' because good managers are in demand, we have to be proactive and try to line up our top choice but in the meantime I could point to most other clubs in European top flight football and you'd find a more qualified manager than Ole to be a short term appointment. It's genuinely almost impossible for us to get worse results than we are currently getting so let's wake up and bring someone else in until the end of the season if they do well and then back them and if they don't, let's find someone else. We've developed a bit of a high horse view of the world when it comes to giving managers time and it's harming us, we are better than this.
Many people are assuming that a new manager will immediately improve results. What if he doesn't? Can we even get a world class manager to come in mid-way through the season like Ole did, and try to fix the mess that was left behind? The assumption that 'it cant get any worse' isn't exactly a convincing argument when making business decisions.
We should learn from real big clubs how it's done, like Bayern proved just now. Not a good start to the season (still miles better than our trainwreck of a season) - you are out.
Assuming a manager that's at least successfully managed another club at PL level comes in, that's good enough for me at this point. When Ole leaves here, he won't even have a job back at Molde and absolutely no club at this level would even entertain the idea of hiring him. That needs to start sinking in with those that actually believe that we can do no better than him and his woeful coaching staff. We literally couldn't have hired a more inexperienced manager to spearhead this supposed rebuild and it's absolutely disgusting that it has been allowed to happen after already hiring Moyes. However, we are where we are and if we don't act now we're going to become the next Leeds.
The point isn't that results might or might not improve, it's that the current manager is not good enough and the results prove that. It is logical to change the manager and it has been clear that was needed since our end of season form last year. You talk of business decisions, look at every other club out there of comparable size and find another manager with a record similar to Ole's - the point that it can't get much worse wasn't even an exaggeration, we've taken 13 points from 11 games, that's genuinely relegation form. What makes it worse is Ole has no body of work to fall back on; we're not giving him time because we know what he can build, we're giving him time because we don't know what else to do.
There are two facets to what we have to do now. One is the longer term planning, identifying coaches we rate at the very peak of the game and working on bringing them here whether it's 1 year or 5 years in the making. In the meantime, we work on bringing in other managers who we rate but might be lesser known, have something in their track record that makes them stand out and essentially trial them on short term contracts. As long as these managers aren't polar opposites in terms of style, we should avoid the need for these rinse and repeat transfer cycles we have seen recently and one of them might make the step up.
We should be looking at this rationally, CL football/top 4 is gone unless we win Europa. We have to pick up our form and push for top 6, which is definitely where the minimum target should be with this group of players. Is this likely under Ole? No. Is it likely we can find a manager more qualified on paper than Ole? Yes. Does that guarantee success? No. Is it a proactive step in trying to address our problems? Yes.
Our fanbase has always been weird like that, ever since Moyes. A lot of opinions seem to change on a game by game basis. Signs of being desperate for something to cling on to.
I’m happy for us to start the process of finding a new manager. I’ve mentioned a few before like nagelsman, rose etc. It would be interesting to see the Ajax manager in the mix too.
I genuinely think we really messed up my missing on klopp when we had the chance. Or Woodward messed up.
Who is the next great manager in world football? What I don’t want is to fire Ole without thinking of who the next person will be. Then out of circumstances appointing the 5th wrong coach 7 years.
A clearer indication of this team under Ole is what has happened this season. If you think that 3 wins in 11 matches is good then that's your opinion. But for a massive club like United to be in 10th place and 10 points off top 4 is an utter shambles. If it had been Mourinho, Van Gaal or Moyes then the fanbase would be rightly demanding they would be sacked.Yes let's correct the stats for a 'truer reflection' by taking out the good results.
I still think that Ole is the right man for our rebuild and the criticism is excessive. It’s clear that there is a rebuild plan that was more than a one window project (we spent the summer clearing deadwood and buying a defense, I’m sure that in the next 2 windows the plan is to continue to clear deadwood and buy some creative players and attacking talent.) You don’t need to be a master tactician to be a top manager and even a top tactician wouldn’t make this squad a top club this year.
To me the main thing he should be judged on is are players improving, which I would say yes to quite a few, and are we buying the right players and having them settle, which is an obvious yes since the 3 we bought are currently some of our top players including the 15M punt from the Championship.
Is he the right man to take us back to the top? I’m not sure, but judging him now with an imbalanced squad that’s sustained injuries to several key players seems a bit harsh. For me as long as we don’t get relegated I almost don’t care what the results are this year as long as the project seems like it’s making progress and he hasn’t lost the dressing room.
If we are still terrible a year from now after bringing a few players like Sancho, Maddison, and Haland for example then yeah we need a new manager but at least we’d have a good team that a top manager would want to work with.
To me the main thing he should be judged on is are players improving, which I would say yes to quite a few, and are we buying the right players and having them settle, which is an obvious yes since the 3 we bought are currently some of our top players including the 15M punt from the Championship.
Is he the right man to take us back to the top? I’m not sure, but judging him now with an imbalanced squad that’s sustained injuries to several key players seems a bit harsh. For me as long as we don’t get relegated I almost don’t care what the results are this year as long as the project seems like it’s making progress and he hasn’t lost the dressing room.
If we are still terrible a year from now after bringing a few players like Sancho, Maddison, and Haland for example then yeah we need a new manager but at least we’d have a good team that a top manager would want to work with.
Plastic club, no culture, no history. We're Man United, we do it our way, Ole at the wheel etc....
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