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For all the stick that Hart gets, at times he made some absolutely outrageous saves.



No way a 33 year old Bravo is getting anywhere near these. Which leaves the question: does Pep really believe that a ball playing goalkeeper is worth that many points over the course of a season?
 

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It's not just against us he's going to get bullied. It reminds me so much of De Gea when he first came to the PL. Bravo's problem is that he's 6 feet tall and physically weak. Every single team in the league is going to put a lot of pressure on him.

I think it's a big mistake by Guardiola to sign him, and that he'll cost City a lot of points. He should have gone for someone like Reina instead if he values goalkeepers ability with their feet so highly.
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@FCBarca Some of these goals - there’s not much he could do about. But for a 33-year old ”top class keeper” he does some amateurish stuff, new league or not.


 

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Got through the first set of clips, I didn't see anything that couldn't be down to poor communication with his back 4, lack of time with the squad or dealing with a breakaway. I didn't see any fumbling or errors. Too harsh for me. I'll have a look at the 2nd clip as well
 

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Got through the first set of clips, I didn't see anything that couldn't be down to poor communication with his back 4, lack of time with the squad or dealing with a breakaway. I didn't see any fumbling or errors. Too harsh for me. I'll have a look at the 2nd clip as well
Okay, then we look at goalkeeping and the role and duties differently, fine with that :)
 

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Okay, then we look at goalkeeping and the role and duties differently, fine with that :)
Nearly half of the 2nd clip are the same ones from the first clip. The Celtic goal is a deflection, not sure how you can fault him on that.

The brief clips against Everton looks like he did not play well but I'd be curious about their form at the time and how the match was playing out to get the bigger context
 

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To me a 33-year old "top class keeper" shouldn't flap on numerous crosses, shouldn't be sent off twice (didn't for some reason vs United) because of a poor pass/touch in half a season and should save some of those shots at him.
 

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As a chilean myself i may be a bit biased but to me he is a very good keeper, his NT form has been outstanding and he was one of the main reasons we won back to back Copas America.

With that being said, he has never been a world class gk, i dont think nobody has ever rated him as tier 1 gk at de gea or neuer level, not even chilean press. Still, english media are being a little bit too harsh with him probably because their golden boy Hart got shipped by a foreign keeper who is at best just a little better but most probably at the same level. Obviously Bravo gets a lot of stick here being Citys keeper and all but he isnt as bad as some are trying to imply
 

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As a chilean myself i may be a bit biased but to me he is a very good keeper, his NT form has been outstanding and he was one of the main reasons we won back to back Copas America.

With that being said, he has never been a world class gk, i dont think nobody has ever rated him as tier 1 gk at de gea or neuer level, not even chilean press. Still, english media are being a little bit too harsh with him probably because their golden boy Hart got shipped by a foreign keeper who is at best just a little better but most probably at the same level. Obviously Bravo gets a lot of stick here being Citys keeper and all but he isnt as bad as some are trying to imply
This is fair enough. For Chile he’s been amazing and he is a better keeper than his performances this season suggest. However, with that experience, he should be doing much better. When it comes to the English press, you definitely have a point, although they seem to consider Pogba a bigger flop so far, haven’t actually seen them crucify Bravo that much. United star flopping sells more papers. I’ve just been very surprised how he’s failing at basic keeper stuff; crosses, passing, touches, shots straight at him. In those clips I posted, I’m no way saying that all the goals are his fault. Still, for me, he’s been a disappointing (of course I’m happy about it as a United fan) signing, and most City fans seem to agree.
 

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I couldn't comment on his exploits with Chile, just on what I've seen at City and at times at Barcelona. I don't think he's top class and I think he's been well, for lack of a better word, pants at City. There seems to be a goalkeeper in there, he just doesn't seem to have the concentration one needs to play as a goalkeeper in the Premier League. He seems to switch off a lot and play quite casually, when any team can damage you at any moment. I'm not sure if he had more time to eye up attacks with Barcelona and Chile, but it seems when a team goes towards him with speed he panics and loses his cool. A horrible trait for a mid 30's keeper to have. He might very well be a good keeper for La Liga or South America, I haven't seen that in the Premier League though.
 

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Think he's probably played his last game for them now then.

He will head back to la liga I think.
 

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Is there a better goalkeeper than him in the clutch moments of a penalty shootout?

2015 Copa America Final
2016 Copa America Final
2017 Confederations Cup Semi-Final

Now again today. I know it was only Wolves but still.
 

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Is there a better goalkeeper than him in the clutch moments of a penalty shootout?

2015 Copa America Final
2016 Copa America Final
2017 Confederations Cup Semi-Final

Now again today. I know it was only Wolves but still.
Yeah, ones that can actually clutch a ball. sorry
 

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Yeah, ones that can actually clutch a ball. sorry
You don't have to deal with crosses in a penalty shootout. :smirk:

Bravo is a beast at saving penalties, one of the very best in the world (if not the best). He's proven it time and time again.
 

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You don't have to deal with crosses in a penalty shootout. :smirk:

Bravo is a beast at saving penalties, one of the very best in the world (if not the best). He's proven it time and time again.
Yeah I can give him that, his record at saving them speaks for itself. It's a shame he isn't City's goalkeeper this season, disgustan behaviour by his coach.
 

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Yeah I can give him that, his record at saving them speaks for itself. It's a shame he isn't City's goalkeeper this season, disgustan behaviour by his coach.
Yeah, he sucks at goalkeeping from open play and has sucked at that since the last 6 months of his time with us. What does that have to do with his penalty stopping abilities.

It's easy to forget that Bravo was already 33 when City signed him last year. He's past his prime, but he's the most accomplished goalkeeper in the Premier League without a doubt.
 

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Yeah, he sucks at goalkeeping from open play and has sucked at that since the last 6 months of his time with us. What does that have to do with his penalty stopping abilities.

It's easy to forget that Bravo was already 33 when City signed him last year. He's past his prime, but he's the most accomplished goalkeeper in the Premier League without a doubt.
In what sense? I would argue Cech is more accomplished. Also a CL winner, more league titles and comfortably a better GK at his peak in my opinion, with a greater longevity/prime (still very good today at 35, and has been since he was 22).

Also Bravo at his best has never been as good as De Gea is nowadays either.
 

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In what sense? I would argue Cech is more accomplished. Also a CL winner, more league titles and comfortably a better GK at his peak in my opinion, with a greater longevity/prime (still very good today at 35, and has been since he was 22).
Damn, I completely forgot about Cech. Yeah, he's arguably more accomplished than Bravo. However, Bravo captained Chile to 2 consecutive Copa America trophies. Chile had previously never won an international trophy before, and Bravo saved a penalty in the shootout in both finals.

Also Bravo at his best has never been as good as De Gea is nowadays either.
No doubt about that, but accomplished and good are two different things.
 

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Yeah, he sucks at goalkeeping from open play and has sucked at that since the last 6 months of his time with us. What does that have to do with his penalty stopping abilities.

It's easy to forget that Bravo was already 33 when City signed him last year. He's past his prime, but he's the most accomplished goalkeeper in the Premier League without a doubt.
Well that's a ridiculous statement, he had a good couple of years at Barcelona and was a solid goalkeeper for Sociedad, that doesn't make him that accomplished, De Gea at his tender age (for a goalkeeper) isn't that far behind in terms of trophies, and way ahead in terms of performances and ability, let alone Cech.
 

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Damn, I completely forgot about Cech. Yeah, he's arguably more accomplished than Bravo. However, Bravo captained Chile to 2 consecutive Copa America trophies. Chile had previously never won an international trophy before, and Bravo saved a penalty in the shootout in both finals.
It's strange to count only his international accolades and discard the rest of his career.
Cech, De Gea, Lloris, Courtois are more accomplished than him.
 

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Isn't mignolet pretty good at saving penalties? I'm starting to see a pattern...
 

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Pep should have rested Ederson and play this clown on Wednesday considering they virtually qualified from the group.
 

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Was he rated that much at Barca? Obviously they could build from the back with him but what was his general shot stopping and penalty box dominance from set pieces like?

Been badly exposed over here anyway.
 

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You could just play any decent outfield player on the ball in place of him and you wouldn't be able to tell the difference. As a actual goalkeeper doing the basics, he's crap, no better than many Championship players
 

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Was he rated that much at Barca? Obviously they could build from the back with him but what was his general shot stopping and penalty box dominance from set pieces like?

Been badly exposed over here anyway.
There was a reason he was not featured in their champions league win in 2015
 

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I remember Bravo being hilariously bad in his first season at City. Surprised they still have him on the books.
 

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There was a reason he was not featured in their champions league win in 2015
Interesting. Didn't think Ter Stegan was already at the club that season.

That could've been one of the counter arguments e.g. he was still good enough to be first choice when Barca won CL but appears not.
 

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In fairness his display today was far from as bad as his banter performances in 16/17 and has in general been a decent number two since Ederson replaced him.

However the third goal was very bad keeping, he was diving into the goal.
 

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Was he rated that much at Barca? Obviously they could build from the back with him but what was his general shot stopping and penalty box dominance from set pieces like?

Been badly exposed over here anyway.
He's 37 in a few months. Short keepers who compensate with their lack of reach and physical dominance with exceptional reflexes and agility just tend to drop off a cliff once their reflexes start to decline, as they can't re adjust their games in the way the likes of VdS could. By the time they bought him it was already crystal clear he was on that path, so I've no idea why they've kept him on after he's proved over and over again he's not up to it.