Claudio Bravo

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Does anybody think its weird the way he tries to save shots? Its like he cant be bothered to actually spread himself or even reach for the ball (whether with his hand or foot).

If its not at him, its like he doesnt know how to actually... you know... try and save it.
 

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I agree with @Jaybomb, C. Bravo has got pedigree (captain of Chile, back-to-back Copa America's, La Ligas) but playing with that joke of a defense doesn't help.

People (including Pep) underestimate how hard the transition from La Liga to EPL is for players, and especially for keepers.

Put it this way - DeGea who was great for Atletico, struggled for a season and a half despite playing with seasoned pros like Vidic, Rio, Evans and Evra.
Courtois came from la liga too.

And De Gea's struggles here were greatly exaggerated. He made mistakes here and there but he wasn't the parting river of the Nile with every shot like Bravo is.
 

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Wasn't the Barca faithful a little upset when Bravo replaced Valdes?
Bravo has never impressed me, he's a second tier keeper, like Mignolet and Karious. Top tier Keepers such as De Gea, Nuer are far ahead in quality.
I don't think Hart is better, just he has different faults
 

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He was pretty good for Barcelona in his 1st season.

Declined a lot since then though.
 

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Put it this way - DeGea who was great for Atletico, struggled for a season and a half despite playing with seasoned pros like Vidic, Rio, Evans and Evra.
This isn't true. DDG had a rough start but he was solidified as 1st choice in his 1st season starting after the Christmas period and was quite good for United through the end of the season, the highlight of which was THAT save against Mata which preserved the 3-3 draw for United. IIRC he was even good in the embarrassing match at the Etihad in which City dominated us and was the main reason that didn't turn into a crushing blowout.

He then proved himself again in 2012/13 where he made himself the unquestioned No. 1 for as long as he wants to be here and was a vital player in our last league title. The shoulder shimmy save he made against Silva at point blank range at the Etihad from that season still boggles my mind.
 

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He doesn't even reach for shots. He just falls to the side where the ball is going, with his arms tucked in.

Also, Dele Alli won that header in the 6 yard box right between the posts. How is he rooted to his line for that? Two steps forwards and it's a routine catch.


What is Bravo actually good at?
 

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Most of Guardiola's signings at Barca were poor as well. The trade of Ibra for Eto'o plus about 30 million quid was ludicrous, and most of his other signings flopped too (Sanchez, Villa, that Ukrainian defender...)

It's not like his transfer mistakes are anything new.

Guardiola might say he's sticking by his principles and won't change but at the moment it's really easy to play against City and he has to sort it out. If he doesn't fix the GK issue then teams will keep launching crosses at City every game and it'll keep working.
 

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Most of Guardiola's signings at Barca were poor as well. The trade of Ibra for Eto'o plus about 30 million quid was ludicrous, and most of his other signings flopped too (Sanchez, Villa, that Ukrainian defender...)

It's not like his transfer mistakes are anything new.

Guardiola might say he's sticking by his principles and won't change but at the moment it's really easy to play against City and he has to sort it out. If he doesn't fix the GK issue then teams will keep launching crosses at City every game and it'll keep working.
David Villa is a little harsh, IMO. He was quite good at Barca. They perhaps got him a little too late. He was just beyond his best by a year or two as he signed for Barca, but he scored some very important goals there. His first season was solid. Won the CL and scored in the final.

That said, was Pep in charge of transfers at Barca? I know he wanted shot of Eto'o, but did he really want Zlatan? It doesn't seem like he liked him from the start.
 

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Most of Guardiola's signings at Barca were poor as well. The trade of Ibra for Eto'o plus about 30 million quid was ludicrous, and most of his other signings flopped too (Sanchez, Villa, that Ukrainian defender...)

It's not like his transfer mistakes are anything new.

Guardiola might say he's sticking by his principles and won't change but at the moment it's really easy to play against City and he has to sort it out. If he doesn't fix the GK issue then teams will keep launching crosses at City every game and it'll keep working.
2008/09

Dani Alves
Aleksandr Hleb
Martín Cáceres

Seydou Keita
Gerard Piqué

Henrique

2009/10

Zlatan Ibrahimovic
Maxwell
Dmytro Chygrynskiy
Keirrison

2010-11

David Villa
Javier Mascherano

Adriano

2011-12

Cesc Fàbregas
Alexis Sánchez

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If you look at the signings under Guardiola, they're not even as bad as you make them seem. Some awful signings, some decent players, and then the brilliant ones. Villa was a star before his leg injury, Keita/Mascherano/Adriano all put in their respective shifts, and Alves/Piqué are club legends.

Ibrahimovic was a poor signing in retrospect, especially since he was mis-used greatly in the second half of the season. But he was extremely decisive when he was in form, and his winning goal in the clásico was huge in their 2010 title. Alexis did well in his only season under Guardiola, and then he ended up being sold for a profit. Fàbregas never fit and Guardiola reportedly ended up regretting the signing.

Keirrison and Henrique were obviously signed for reasons outside of football. Neither of them ever played for Guardiola.
 

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2008/09

Dani Alves
Aleksandr Hleb
Martín Cáceres

Seydou Keita
Gerard Piqué

Henrique

2009/10

Zlatan Ibrahimovic
Maxwell
Dmytro Chygrynskiy
Keirrison

2010-11

David Villa
Javier Mascherano

Adriano

2011-12

Cesc Fàbregas
Alexis Sánchez

-

If you look at the signings under Guardiola, they're not even as bad as you make them seem. Some awful signings, some decent players, and then the brilliant ones. Villa was a star before his leg injury, Keita/Mascherano/Adriano all put in their respective shifts, and Alves/Piqué are club legends.

Ibrahimovic was a poor signing in retrospect, especially since he was mis-used greatly in the second half of the season. But he was extremely decisive when he was in form, and his winning goal in the clásico was huge in their 2010 title. Alexis did well in his only season under Guardiola, and then he ended up being sold for a profit. Fàbregas never fit and Guardiola reportedly ended up regretting the signing.

Keirrison and Henrique were obviously signed for reasons outside of football. Neither of them ever played for Guardiola.
I'd exclude Pique from the successes as he had been brought up at Barca so he was very much on the club's radar. They'd never have let him leave but for registration complications.

We ridicule Van gaal for his signings now but you'd probably get a similar hit-miss ratio with him. Some obvious flops (schweini, schneiderlin, depay, ADM, falcao) some solid or 'jury out' signings (rojo, blind, darmian, Shaw, jones) and some potentially great ones (herrera, Martial).
 

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I'd exclude Pique from the successes as he had been brought up at Barca so he was very much on the club's radar. They'd never have let him leave but for registration complications.

We ridicule Van gaal for his signings now but you'd probably get a similar hit-miss ratio with him. Some obvious flops (schweini, schneiderlin, depay, ADM, falcao) some solid or 'jury out' signings (rojo, blind, darmian, Shaw, jones) and some potentially great ones (herrera, Martial).
No, he's on SAF. You could replace him with TFM though.
 

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2008/09

Dani Alves
Aleksandr Hleb
Martín Cáceres

Seydou Keita
Gerard Piqué

Henrique

2009/10

Zlatan Ibrahimovic
Maxwell
Dmytro Chygrynskiy
Keirrison

2010-11

David Villa
Javier Mascherano

Adriano

2011-12

Cesc Fàbregas
Alexis Sánchez

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If you look at the signings under Guardiola, they're not even as bad as you make them seem. Some awful signings, some decent players, and then the brilliant ones. Villa was a star before his leg injury, Keita/Mascherano/Adriano all put in their respective shifts, and Alves/Piqué are club legends.

Ibrahimovic was a poor signing in retrospect, especially since he was mis-used greatly in the second half of the season. But he was extremely decisive when he was in form, and his winning goal in the clásico was huge in their 2010 title. Alexis did well in his only season under Guardiola, and then he ended up being sold for a profit. Fàbregas never fit and Guardiola reportedly ended up regretting the signing.

Keirrison and Henrique were obviously signed for reasons outside of football. Neither of them ever played for Guardiola.
Dani Alves was bought before Pep's hiring.
 

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Man, his confidence is shot. He has never been a top tier keeper at de gea or courtois level, but ive never seen him playing this bad.
 

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He doesn't even reach for shots. He just falls to the side where the ball is going, with his arms tucked in.

Also, Dele Alli won that header in the 6 yard box right between the posts. How is he rooted to his line for that? Two steps forwards and it's a routine catch.


What is Bravo actually good at?
Comic relief during thrilling football matches.
 

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Is Richard Wright still on their books? Give him a go.
 

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Barcelona confirmed in May 2008 that Guardiola would be taking over. Alves was confirmed in July 2008, almost two months later. Even during the "saga" it was reported that Pep gave the go-ahead for the signing and in mid-June he told the press that Alves would be signed.

Pep was even standing next to him during his presentation.
Mate, I know the Dani Alves saga well - Chelsea were in for him in 2007 and had several bids turned down, which pissed the player off.
Whether this was a Guardiola deal, or if that was agreed before we don't know - what we do know is that Alves was one of the best players in the league and one of the most coveted. Barca's third most expensive player at the time.
 

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I might have missed that period when he was one of the best in the world.

He is a fascinating keeper though, he doesnt save any shot.
 

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Bravo really doesn't inspire confidence, I don't want to use the word shit becuase he's obviously better than that but he's really struggling now and what makes it worse is that his footwork is actually no better than Hart's was.

We all new Harts fallabilities but his positioning was generally excellent and shot stopping was generally pretty good even allowing for the odd howler thrown in, Bravo has none of these in evidence in the PL, he's been absolutely woeful in the last 4 or 5 games and the daft thing is the Spurs game at the weekend was probably his best game in the last month and he didn't save a shot! (again)
 

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Mate, I know the Dani Alves saga well - Chelsea were in for him in 2007 and had several bids turned down, which pissed the player off.
Whether this was a Guardiola deal, or if that was agreed before we don't know - what we do know is that Alves was one of the best players in the league and one of the most coveted. Barca's third most expensive player at the time.
Except we do know when the deal was agreed. And it was after Guardiola was confirmed as Barça's manager. Guardiola was doing official press conferences before Rijkaard's contract even expired (June 30). Alves was not some unknown prospect, he was the best right back in the world at the time of his signing. But you said that Alves was bought before Guardiola's signing, and that is simply not true.