Has he been banned?
A serious look at Mauricio Pochettino
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Would he consider Barcelona? With his Espanyol ties and all that? Because I can see him being the successor there other than the rivalry, which honestly, I dont know how deep it runs, if someone cares to educate me?
Don't think so? But he probably run out of things to say about Pochettino. Either that or he is Pochettino after all? Would explain why he's gone quiet all of a sudden.
He's already said he would never manage them due to his ties with Espanyol, that and the fact he'd never get the job also.
@Amadaeus my bad I’d spelt it wrong!
Or his mum.
I would absolutely love it if it really was Pochettino just on here practicing his English. No coincidence that he only joined the forum around the same time Pochettino came to England. Just saying.
Conveniently leaving out the CL final I see. Downplaying what he was able to do at Spurs is utter comedy for more obvious reasons than I care to spend any brain power on. It's arguing that water isn't wet.
brilliant, brilliant post mate. I'm a big Poch fan, but have to agree with most of that. Hats off for the effort too. Cheers.
To some extent it is, yes. Because Spurs have consistently looked like a very good side under him, one that has been assembled at a much lower cost than United, and one capable of mixing it up with anyone, really, on their day. So, dismissing his achievements - as such - is silly indeed.
But the poster you quoted nevertheless has a point. United have under-performed rather horribly in the entire post-SAF era. The fact that we, with our resources and wage bill, have been so shite has effectively rendered finishing high up the table an easier task. And Arsenal have gone from being a top 4 shoe-in to being what one may now call a top six contender. This isn't irrelevant when assessing what he's achieved in terms of sheer results.
Pretty much; prior to winning against Spurs, here's his finals record:
2012 German Cup - Borussia Dortmund 5-2 Bayern Munich - WON
2013 Champions League - Borussia Dortmund 1-2 Bayern Munich - LOST
2014 German Cup - Borussia Dortmund 0-2 Bayern Munich (aet) - LOST
2015 German Cup - Borussia Dortmund 1-3 Wolfsburg - LOST
2016 Capital One Cup - Liverpool 1-1 Man City - LOST ON PENALTIES
2016 Europa League - Liverpool 1-3 Sevilla - LOST
2018 Champions League - Liverpool 1-3 Real Madrid - LOST
So he lost the CL final to a superior Bayern that romped to the treble. Then lost again to Pep's Bayern AET that had taken Gotze from him. Lost to Wolfsburg in the Cup final. Lost to City on penalties in the first season back. Lost to Sevilla in the EL, a team that won the competition three times in a row. Lost to Madrid in the CL final, to a team that won three in a row (and due to Karius).
The only loss he could partially be blamed on, is Wolfsburg.
Reaching the CL final one year is an achievement yes but even you should be able to see that it was the last swansong of a team in decline. The CL final masked that fact that they had a horrible end to last season.
Which is also why poch said he'd resign if they won it.
Can anybody see him going to Arsenal?
This is a car-crash of a post. Well done for missing all context and nuance in your analysis.
You mentioned Pochetino’s top 6 record. Before that even became a thing, it was a Top 4. The fact that Spurs gatecrashed the top 6 and became a permanent fixture in it, is a feather in Poch’s cap not something to beat him over the head with.
Let’s look at transfers and league positions:
TRANSFER RECORD 14/15: Overall balance $-4.92m. LEAGUE POSITION: 5th
TRANSFER RECORD 15/16: Overall balance +$18.90m. LEAGUE POSITION: 3rd
TRANSFER RECORD 16/17: Overall balance $-35.57m. LEAGUE POSITION: 2nd
TRANSFER RECORD 17/18: Overall balance $-20.18m. LEAGUE POSITION: 3rd
TRANSFER RECORD 17/18: Overall balance +$6.10m. LEAGUE POSITION: 4th
So, in 5 years he spent on average $7.134m, call it 5m quid, and basically achieved CL football every season but his first one. He played nice football, went 18 months without signing a player, and still reached the Champions League Final. Would Levy rather Spurs won a cup but miss out on CL football? Not a fecking chance, especially with that albatross of a billion dollar cheeseroom hanging over his neck.
So that's what Poch did with his limited resources - achieved CL football. Winning a trophy would have been a bonus, but with this limited squad, and thin stretched resources he had to go all in for that Top 4 first and foremost. Whilst competing with bigger teams with bigger budgets. That was his remit.
I had to laugh hard at this. I mean I’m surprised you forgot to mention Kevin De Bryune and Mohammed Salah as players Mourinho brought in. You mentioned some random players, but the fact of the matter is that Mourinho has given an average of 2.1 academy graduates their first team league debut since 2003, but the real relevant point is that 15 of those 24 youngsters played only one game under the Portuguese, and the majority of those came in games at the end of the season in which little was at stake. Even more damning, Mourinho has only given one of those regular football: Davide Santon.
"You don't need five matches in a row," Mourinho said. "You need 10 minutes. In 10 minutes you can show me if you are ready or not... You can show you are ready, you are mentally ready, you are physically ready, you are ready to cope with the pressure, you are not the kind of guy who trains and plays against kids his own age but not ready to play at the high level. Ten minutes can say a lot."
LVG on the other hand couldn't be more different. Yes he launched Mueller as you point out, but also Alaba, Badstueber, Xavi, Iniesta, Edgar Davids, Clarence Seedorf, Patrick Kluivert, Carlos Puyol, Marcus Rashford etc. Just lumping LVG and Mourinho together shows how ignorant you're on the matter.
Now on the main topic - should we sack Ole and hire Pochetino if that option is on the table. It depends. I'd say Pochetino is clearly the superior manager, but we've hired superior managers before to be let down. Ole's not setting the place alight, but you could see what he's trying to do. I'll say give him until the end of the season, and then decide.
January, 2013 after United beat Southampton 2-1
"Winning is the name of the game at this stage of the season," Sir Alex said.
"For the first 30 minutes I thought we were fantastic, we played really well. But in the second half Southampton have been the best team to play here this season. We were fortunate to win the game. They pushed on top of us and didn't give us any time on the ball."
December 2015: Tottenham MP David Lammy reveals what Sir Alex told him about Pochettino
"I'm going to let you into a secret," he said. "About six weeks ago, I sat next to Sir Alex Ferguson at a dinner in support of grassroots football abroad. He said to me, 'I think you guys have got the best manager in the Premier League.' Alex Ferguson said that."
April 2016: Sir Alex praises Pochettino
"Well the manager has been fantastic. They have a bad record of managers, there is no doubt about that. They have had so many over the years, but this lad has composure. You never see him ruffled and the way his team play is a testimony to the work he is doing.
"The most important thing for English football is how many English and young players are in his team. He understands the advantage of playing young people. They won't let you down and they have been fantastic. [Dele] Alli, [Harry] Kane, [Ryan] Mason, [Danny] Rose, [Eric] Dier, all English players. [Kyle] Walker, the right back , although he has been there for a bit longer."
"Winning is the name of the game at this stage of the season," Sir Alex said.
"For the first 30 minutes I thought we were fantastic, we played really well. But in the second half Southampton have been the best team to play here this season. We were fortunate to win the game. They pushed on top of us and didn't give us any time on the ball."
December 2015: Tottenham MP David Lammy reveals what Sir Alex told him about Pochettino
"I'm going to let you into a secret," he said. "About six weeks ago, I sat next to Sir Alex Ferguson at a dinner in support of grassroots football abroad. He said to me, 'I think you guys have got the best manager in the Premier League.' Alex Ferguson said that."
April 2016: Sir Alex praises Pochettino
"Well the manager has been fantastic. They have a bad record of managers, there is no doubt about that. They have had so many over the years, but this lad has composure. You never see him ruffled and the way his team play is a testimony to the work he is doing.
"The most important thing for English football is how many English and young players are in his team. He understands the advantage of playing young people. They won't let you down and they have been fantastic. [Dele] Alli, [Harry] Kane, [Ryan] Mason, [Danny] Rose, [Eric] Dier, all English players. [Kyle] Walker, the right back , although he has been there for a bit longer."
@Suedesi
You’ve called that post a car crash for missing all nuance and context, and then gone on to do exactly that yourself.
Yes, Poch has got top four regularly for spurs which is very good, but to say he did it with a limited squad is just wrong. Tottenham under Poch had and still have a very strong squad.
Speaking about his transfer budget is fair enough, but his squad is still good enough for the top four without much investment. Look at Harry Kane as a shining example, money can’t buy a player like him, he’s one of the best forwards in the world and he cost nothing.
Poch has done a really good job at Tottenham, but to pretend he got some old rabble into the champions league through sheer power of will is a nice story, but it’s just not true.
He took on a squad with a lot of potential and with some shrewd buys and time developed the squad into one that should go toe to toe with any side in the league on their day.
He has struggled against a lot of the top teams though, you can’t just ignore that because he got them into the champions league.
You’ve called that post a car crash for missing all nuance and context, and then gone on to do exactly that yourself.
Yes, Poch has got top four regularly for spurs which is very good, but to say he did it with a limited squad is just wrong. Tottenham under Poch had and still have a very strong squad.
Speaking about his transfer budget is fair enough, but his squad is still good enough for the top four without much investment. Look at Harry Kane as a shining example, money can’t buy a player like him, he’s one of the best forwards in the world and he cost nothing.
Poch has done a really good job at Tottenham, but to pretend he got some old rabble into the champions league through sheer power of will is a nice story, but it’s just not true.
He took on a squad with a lot of potential and with some shrewd buys and time developed the squad into one that should go toe to toe with any side in the league on their day.
He has struggled against a lot of the top teams though, you can’t just ignore that because he got them into the champions league.
He built this squad through his managerial acumen and talent.Kane,Dele Ali,Erickson,Song,etc etc....He made these players big stars,these players were relatively unknown before they joined Spurs.And no,he didn’t get them into the CL through “sheer power of will”,he did it through his managerial talent.
He did not “take” on a squad with a lot of potential,he built this squad as one brimming with potential...
I don’t disagree with any of that, expect for you saying he didn’t take on a side with potential.
Couldn’t be more untrue, he helped the players realise their potential, but the potential still has to be there.
You’ve assumed reading my post that I don’t think he’s done a good job, but I think he’s done really well. I just don’t see the point of pretending he’s done things that he hasn’t, that’s all.
Good ploy by the man to lose players quickly , so that he gets kicked out with a hefty package. Straight out of Jose's book.
He gets a good break, keeps his reputation and probably Real Madrid will get him by summer.
He gets a good break, keeps his reputation and probably Real Madrid will get him by summer.
yeah he is the real winner here. He hasn’t lost any reputation while getting his money. The mad thing is Mourinho got 3.5 year deal at spurs. Why do clubs offer these stupid contracts?
That's an impressive write up. Just one problem though
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...rs-job-title-tranfers-real-madrid-gareth-bale
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/49175446
He didn't have requisite investment to build a squad capable of competing on all those fronts. They were also hit fairly hard by injuries last year, but my comment was in regard to the entire body of work. In no realm remotely founded in reality did he leave them the same club as he they were when he took over.
Who developed those players into what they are now?
well done
Pochettino obviously.
After Real will sack Zidane, I‘m sure he will take over
Spurs were consistently a top six club but they weren't consistently a top four club, which Pochettino made them. Led them to by far their best season in the PL era.
Probably, weirdly enough I'm not sure he'd have necessarily wanted it initially considering he seems like more of a long-haul manager but if he gets it now I imagine he'd jump at the opportunity.
OGS is still in a sticky situation considering our start, but if he can have some good form through Christmas he'll be fine and rightfully so. If however, our form drops off a cliff again, we'd be idiots not to approach Poch, who along with Klopp has been the obvious dream United manager for years.
Ed Woodward's crafty 3-year plan to get Pochettino in for free and have Mourinho park his bus at White Heart Lane is almost complete! 
Ed Woodward's crafty 3-year plan to get Pochettino in for free and have Mourinho park his bus at White Heart Lane is almost complete!
Because managers like Jose or Poch wont sign a 1 yr plus 1 kind of contract.
I don't see any big club going for him at this point. Maybe AC Milan could take a chance otherwise it's midtable Spain or England.
This was published a month or so before the sacking
Don’t agree at all. There may not be an obvious landing place right now, but he’ll be top of the list once Munich, and both Madrid and Manchester clubs have an opening. He’d do well at all of them.
Agree, I have been Advocate to get Poch in, but we have improved and we are going in right direction, changing the manager now or even next season would be a mistake.
We have to give Ole another few windows to see where were at. Cannot see any arguments on the summer signings, they have all improved the team and squad, along with the academy players being brought in bit by bit ie Brandon Williams, Mason Greenwood.
Patience is needed I think now more than ever.
We'll watch Poch lock himself up into a different top job, whilst we risk the long shot of Ole proving he is good enough long term, then when the time comes we'll be left looking at misfits once again..
I'm not advocating bombing Ole now, but I truly hope we are asking Poch to take a break and see where we are in a few months, opportunities like this won't come around very often.
I'm not advocating bombing Ole now, but I truly hope we are asking Poch to take a break and see where we are in a few months, opportunities like this won't come around very often.
If you assume that Levy isn't a fool; then we need to look at why he got rid of Poch for a win-ugly manager like Jose which ought to tell us something.