Jose Mourinho | Spurs manager

At every club he's been at since 2002, Mourinho has won trophies. Will he win one at Spurs?

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Its great to have Mourinho back in Premier league. He is still one of the most successful manager out there, his first 2 years at Man Utd was quite successful to be honest.

Good luck Spur, enjoy your first 2 years with Mourinho, you lot may finally win a trophy, but then get ready for the mess during the 3rd...
 
André Dominguez said:
Klopp also had a massive meltdown at Dortmund after 3 very solid seasons. If he had that much influence and power, he would be able to keep building the team ad eternum.

Rewind thew time and you had entire forums making fun of Klopp being unable to lift Liverpool and how lucky we were. 1 year ago nobody would consider Klopp better than Pep, not to mention way before.

They got the quality players right, with the right type of personality to fit in the mold and things go smooth for now.
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He brought them there in the first place, it's hardly a surprise that you're unable to continually improve when you lose your best players and you don't have the finances to bring in quality replacements.

I can only assume that the majority of those making fun of Liverpool under Klopp are complete idiots, not to mention your utter absurd review.1 year ago from today, the 21st of nov 2018, Liverpool had played 12 league matches, 3 draws and 9 wins.

I don't think there's another manager around that could've transformed Liverpool in a similar way.
 
balaks said:
Really enjoyed his first press conference, he is saying all the right things and it's very encouraging. I have high hopes.
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It feels like a cycle that Chelsea fans warned United fans about, we convinced ourselves maybe he had changed and now it's your turn.

Very similar rhetoric to taking the Chelsea jobs the second time and taking the United job. Maybe it will end differently but it will be interesting to follow nonetheless.
 
André Dominguez said:
Klopp also had a massive meltdown at Dortmund after 3 very solid seasons. If he had that much influence and power, he would be able to keep building the team ad eternum.

Rewind thew time and you had entire forums making fun of Klopp being unable to lift Liverpool and how lucky we were. 1 year ago nobody would consider Klopp better than Pep, not to mention way before.

They got the quality players right, with the right type of personality to fit in the mold and things go smooth for now.
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Klopp's meltdown coincided with losing his best players to Munich; it's easy to win when everything is stacked in your favor money wise and personnel wise (as is in Pep's case). Klopp can compete, and if odds are evened he will outperform as was the case during BVB and now at Liverpool.

The bolded part is absolutely false.
 
Suedesi said:
Klopp's meltdown coincided with losing his best players to Munich; it's easy to win when everything is stacked in your favor money wise and personnel wise (as is in Pep's case). Klopp can compete, and if odds are evened he will outperform as was the case during BVB and now at Liverpool.

The bolded part is absolutely false.
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The team Klopp had at Dortmund were still a lot better than their what league position suggested.
 
VP89 said:
The team Klopp had at Dortmund were still a lot better than their what league position suggested.
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Of course, and Klopp would be the first to admit that.

The 47-year-old German asked to be released from his contract, which had been due to run until 2018.

"It's not that I'm tired, I've not had contact with another club but don't plan to take a sabbatical," he said.

Klopp told a news conference: "I always said in that moment where I believe I am not the perfect coach anymore for this extraordinary club I will say so.

"I really think the decision is the right one. This club deserves to be coached from the 100% right manager."

Referring to the departures of Mario Gotze and Robert Lewandowski to Bayern Munich over the past two summers, he added: "I chose this time to announce it because in the last few years some player decisions were made late and there was no time to react."

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/32317833
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UncleBob said:
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Exactly.

And if you read what actually happened, it wasn't a meltdown. It was a very civilized divorce "sorry guys, we've reached the end of a cycle, I don't think I'm the right guy for this project, please release me and let's announce it early to put you in the best position to find the next right guy."

A meltdown would have been picking fights with the media, with the players, with the club directors, with the heritage of the club, etc, etc.
 
VP89 said:
The team Klopp had at Dortmund were still a lot better than their what league position suggested.
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As was their performance alot better than what league position suggested. Using expected goals or points, they were the second best team that year just behind us. That was just an insane freak season where they failed to hit the goal for tens of games in a row. That's why I'm not even sure if Pochettino is going to be a hit for his next club since Spurs actually deserve to be where they are right now.
 
UncleBob said:
And ?
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Suedesi said:
Exactly.
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And so the inference that him losing key players to Bayern being a major driving force behind such catastrophic form is not really sufficient as an explanation. That's what the post below (which I replied to) suggested anyway:

Suedesi said:
Klopp's meltdown coincided with losing his best players to Munich; it's easy to win when everything is stacked in your favor money wise and personnel wise (as is in Pep's case). Klopp can compete, and if odds are evened he will outperform as was the case during BVB and now at Liverpool.
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Yeah, he's not expected to win the league if his key players go to Bayern. But that Dortmund team did far, far worse than that. And yes, I agree it's mainly due to it being the end of a cycle etc.
 
VP89 said:
And so the inference that him losing key players to Bayern being a major driving force behind such catastrophic form is not really sufficient as an explanation. That's what the post below (which I replied to) suggested anyway:
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He said it coincided, which it did.
Furthermore, the effect of having to replace key players again and again shouldn't be underestimated either. After a long period of being competitive, the entire team collapsed and Klopp felt he wasn't in the right state to continue.

I have no idea why anyone would use this as a stick to beat him with anyway, he was a key part of turning that Dortmund side into a quality side that set records in the league, won two league titles, the double, reached a champions league final.
 
sunama said:
Kane, yes.
But also we were after a Spurs' centre back (probably Toby A), last season. Woodward said, "no" and that our CBs were as good. Woodward also said the same about Maguire (ie. that our CBs were just as good and would later do a 180, get rid of Smalling and buy Maguire).
We then played Spurs at OT, with all CBs on display and our CBs were absolute dog-shite. Everytime Spurs attacked, they got a shot off on goal.
Our attack that day, wasn't bad, though.
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Mostly Eric Dier, I reckon, but yes Kane is another.

Eric's something of a naturalised Portuguese, and Jose regularly seemed to walk up to him and chat away with him after games when we'd faced one of his teams.

I recall Jose being linked/after Rose, Dier, Alderweireld, and Kane whilst at United.
 
AneRu said:
I think he is still a good manager, how well he does depends on how he handles himself after being denied what he thinks he needs. Even last season when he had lost the dressing room and was in total meltdown there were few signs that he still knew what he was doing - I am think of that Newcastle comeback and the win away to Juve.

At Spurs he has Son, Kane, Moura and he will like the Belgian duo at the back. There is every possibility of him doing quite great things with that side.

What's interesting is that within a few hours of his appointment Spurs are going after Campos. Exposing the lie that Woodward briefed about Jose not wanting a Sporting Director in and how much of a joke our attempts at recruiting one are. If they pull it off then it proves once and for all that Woodward is the one blocking this appointment.
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He had same quality players at Chelsea, and OT, but he seems to after a while alienate those players, ie Hazard, Pogba etc he so engineers the sack when he's had enough, it's been a pattern in his last few jobs, and I can see the same with spurs.
 
UncleBob said:
He said it coincided, which it did.
Furthermore, the effect of having to replace key players again and again shouldn't be underestimated either. After a long period of being competitive, the entire team collapsed and Klopp felt he wasn't in the right state to continue.

I have no idea why anyone would use this as a stick to beat him with anyway, he was a key part of turning that Dortmund side into a quality side that set records in the league, won two league titles, the double, reached a champions league final.
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No one's beating him with a stick. I was simply pointing out that his squad post losing players to Bayern was still of a high quality and expected to perform much better in that season.
 
VP89 said:
No one's beating him with a stick. I was simply pointing out that his squad post losing players to Bayern was still of a high quality and expected to perform much better in that season.
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Yes and as pointed out earlier, the performances indicated that they were still the second best team that season. The repeated losses were just a statistical anomaly. That's why both Dortmund and Klopp with Liverpool did well the following season.
 
Bennz McCarthey17 said:
That squishy guy deserves Mourinho's boring ass Football, for disrespecting my country before the Rugby World Cup final. Feel sorry for other Spurs fans though, they are quite a likeable bunch.
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What happened with him? I liked him as a poster and didn't see his posts in the RWC thread
 
MackRobinson said:
So not liking to lose makes you a winner? Pretty low standards
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Not sure if serious...

The guy has won silverware at every club he's been at - he is, literally, a serial winner.

Suedesi said:
He was a bad fit at United though.
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Let's back up a bit though...

He was a bad fit with the current Utd board - but the club itself I don't think so. He's the most similar manager to Fergie we've had post Fergie, so to say that he didn't ft United itself is untrue.

We currently have a manager who plays utterly shit footy, gets crap results and is a proven failure in top level management - surely more of a 'bad fit' for Utd than Mourinho.
 
André Dominguez said:
He has to share responsibilities, but people are exaggerating way too much the impact a manager has on the club's success. And this also applies to Klopp and Pep.
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Tell that to SAF. His 2013 title winning squad on paper looked a good squad but the reality was there were a lot of players on their last legs. Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, Giggs, Scholes being called out of retirement. A midfield including Cleveley and Anderson and Rooney blowing hot and cold. The only 2 consistent performers were Carrick and RVP. So no. I don't agree with you that people are exaggerating too much the impact a manager has on a clubs success.
 
Chris Wilder at Northampton and Sheffield is a perfect example of how much influence a manager can have.

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VP89 said:
No one's beating him with a stick. I was simply pointing out that his squad post losing players to Bayern was still of a high quality and expected to perform much better in that season.
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"Klopp also had a massive meltdown at Dortmund after 3 very solid seasons. If he had that much influence and power, he would be able to keep building the team ad eternum."

"I was simply pointing out that his squad post losing players to Bayern was still of a high quality and expected to perform much better in that season"

"And so the inference that him losing key players to Bayern being a major driving force behind such catastrophic form is not really sufficient as an explanation. That's what the post below (which I replied to) suggested anyway"

If it sounds like a stick and looks like a stick, it's probably a stick
 
I'm going to enjoy watching all the resident Spurs fans get their hopes up and then gradually descend into bitter hatred just like what happened to us.
 
UncleBob said:
"Klopp also had a massive meltdown at Dortmund after 3 very solid seasons. If he had that much influence and power, he would be able to keep building the team ad eternum."

"I was simply pointing out that his squad post losing players to Bayern was still of a high quality and expected to perform much better in that season"

"And so the inference that him losing key players to Bayern being a major driving force behind such catastrophic form is not really sufficient as an explanation. That's what the post below (which I replied to) suggested anyway"

If it sounds like a stick and looks like a stick, it's probably a stick
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Did I say the first post?

And why did you ignore my sentence where I put the Dortmund catastrophe down to the end of a cycle, rather than Klopps management? It was in the same post.

I haven't beaten anyone with a stick.
 
Ah the myth of Klopp's meltdown at Dortmund which gets repeated regularly on here. I doubt many of these posters even watched Dortmund that season.
 
sugar_kane said:
I'm going to enjoy watching all the resident Spurs fans get their hopes up and then gradually descend into bitter hatred just like what happened to us.
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I can guarantee you that spurs fan's won't be bitter if he wins what he did for United. We have totally different expectations and levels of appreciation than what United fans are accustomed to, as we've had only 2 cups in the last 30 years or so.
 
Rhyme Animal said:
Let's back up a bit though...

He was a bad fit with the current Utd board - but the club itself I don't think so. He's the most similar manager to Fergie we've had post Fergie, so to say that he didn't ft United itself is untrue.

We currently have a manager who plays utterly shit footy, gets crap results and is a proven failure in top level management - surely more of a 'bad fit' for Utd than Mourinho.
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Imagine Fergie saying this?




No, didn't think so!
 
Rhyme Animal said:
Read it back mate.

Where did I say that everything Mourinho says will something that Fergie would've said...?

My statement was that Mourinho is the most similar manager to Fergie that we've had post Fergie - which he is, by far.
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Jose is all about himself, fergie was magnanimous.
 
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