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We have a manager that got Cardiff City relegated. How he is the manager of biggest club in world football, I dont know. Bloody joke. Club legend and all that but not cut out to do this job. Hate the glazers and Ed but do something to least cheer us fans up.
 
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The one clown you want removing though is the only one with United best interest at heart.
Has zero value to United if he’s incompetent at the job he’s doing.

It is destructive rather than constructive. He can be an ambassador but in terms of position having the best interest at heart should be way down the list of criteria’s you should base our pick for our next manager.
 

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We have a manager that got Cardiff City sacked. How he is the manager of biggest club in world football, I dont know. Bloody joke. Club legend and all that but not cut out to do this job. Hate the glazers and Ed but do something to least cheer us fans up.
We ain’t the biggest club in the world anymore and that DEFINATELY isn’t the guy who scored our biggest goal in our history fault.
 

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Has zero value to United if he’s incompetent at the job he’s doing.

It is destructive rather than constructive. He can be an ambassador but in terms of position having the best interest at heart should be way down the list of criteria’s you should base our pick for our next manager.
Do you really think he is incompetent though or doing a job that needs doing?
 

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It is quite simply illogical to think Ole has what it takes to manage Manchester United. The proof is in the pudding anyway, the evidence is there every week.
It's 2019 and CV doesn't matter much anymore. Arsenal are practically begging for Arteta to go manage them.
 

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It is quite simply illogical to think Ole has what it takes to manage Manchester United. The proof is in the pudding anyway, the evidence is there every week.
But the job isn’t winning the league, it’s changing the obvious issues in the squad.

Not sure how anyone can say he is doing less than the 3 previous pricks did in that respect.
 

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Personally i dont think his team selections have been bad. Thats just the state of our squad, hes a bit slow with the subs usually, but they are usually sensible

What does bother me though is this
1) Distance between defense-midfield and midfield-attack are huge, so we pretty much always end up outnumbered
2) We try to play from the back, but fail, often because of reason 1)
3) We dont attack the goal in numbers. Good cross comes in between the defense and the goal for an easy tap in. No one is there. Every fecking time
4) We allow opposing teams way to much time on the ball in dangerous areas.
5) Movement is still shit. No one is showing for the ball
6) Most of our players are fecking cowards and it seems no one is willing to take any risks with the ball. And when they do its usually in a horrible position where you should not take risks
 

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More fool them. Klopp and Pep have excellent CVs. Appointing them has gone pretty well, I'd say.
It's not a knock on established, quality managers. But I see it as a trend that more and more clubs are taking chances on young managers rather than wait for them to spend years in lower leagues/clubs developing themselves. Woody isn't competent, but also isn't completely insane for giving it to Ole for a season.
 

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We ain’t the biggest club in the world anymore and that DEFINATELY isn’t the guy who scored our biggest goal in our history fault.
The things people will say to back Ole.

Shocking!!! He’ll be telling us Chelsea are bigger than us next.
 

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We have a manager that got Cardiff City sacked. How he is the manager of biggest club in world football, I dont know. Bloody joke. Club legend and all that but not cut out to do this job. Hate the glazers and Ed but do something to least cheer us fans up.
Oh my, he got Cardiff sacked?! :eek:
 

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as long as it takes to get a competent one in.
This.

People with the argument “we sack managers before and see where it has led us” is just pure shit.

By that logic we shouldn’t sign any new players, because we’ve done that in the past and see where it has led us.
 

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Do you really think he is incompetent though or doing a job that needs doing?
I think he was incompetent before he was hired, after he was hired and 8 months(or wherever we are) into the permanent job. He will be also incompetent at any top job if he lands next(highly doubtful).

He's just a poor manager with his level at a Norway type of league.

After all he would probably is one of the very few managers that can undoubtedly claim the crown of being the worst appointments for not only one, but two(Cardiff) clubs in their entire PL history.
 

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So many people having go at Ole. What a shame. Same people that was all over Mourinho, vanGaal, Moyes and even Ferguson. Just look at "Guardiola sack Watch" thread. No patience whatsoever. Everything has to been done in a second. From buying players to winning league.

Lets pretend new manager comes in tommorow. WIll you give him a chance or will you after a draw or a lost game have a go at him? Demanding Changes? Without mentioning what players we have. Without taking anything else in account in your quick analisys.
It's not "a second", he's had over 31 million seconds with nothing to show for it. We're statistically worse off than last year, which was a crisis year. So he's had a year to turn things around, he hasn't shown he's capable why should we persist with him?
 

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It is obvious that, unfortunately, OGS is not the manager that can bring the club new trophies or make us title challengers. And I say this not only because of the results he achieved so far at MU, but bearing in mind his whole career as manager.
However, what I do not understand why so much of the people posting here are so fond of the idea that Pochettino should be our next manager. The way I see things, an ambitious club like us (or any other ambitious club), in order to be successful, must employ one of the following 2 manager types:
1. An established manager, that has a very good track record in winning trophies, with the condition of sharing the club's philosophy
2. A young, promising manager, at the beginning of his career, preferably from within the club or with past connections with the club
After SAF retired, we made a lot of mistakes in appointing new managers and I feel we will keep making them if we do not follow the above criteria. Moyes was a good manager for mid-table teams, with no trophies under his name and no previous experience in managing a bigger team before we employed him. Van Gaal was by far our best manager since SAF, but his unwillingness to adapt to PL football, resulting in very dull matches, cost him his job. Mourinho was never going to fit our club philosophy, and, although he was (and is) very accomplished, his conflictual nature was always going to generate big problems. Furthermore, his career was declining when we hired him, and the squad he inherited was not built for his style of play (his best performances came at Chelsea and Inter, where he had very defensively solid teams and the style of play was not so important for the fans).
Now we hired OGS, whose best achievements as manager are 2 titles with Molde, back in 2011 and 2012, which is way too little to deserve the MU manager job. But, even if we sack him, under no circumstances should we look to appoint Pochettino, a manager who has won nothing in a 10 year old career. In my opinion, our best current option is by far Laurent Blanc: he has already won 4 French titles (including one with Bordeaux, where he built a very exciting team), he is a former United player, he is known to promote youngsters and his teams play an exciting brand of football and are well drilled.
If we look at our main PL competitors, all of them currently currently have correct choices as managers:
- Liverpool hired Klopp, who had won titles with Dortmund and immediately imposed his desired style of play
- City hired Guardiola with the desire to dominate English and european football. Before they hired him, they invested heavily in the club academy (bringing former Guardiola associate Begiristain) and they had Pellegrini as manager, who also employes a possession style of football.
- Chelsea have in Lampard the perfect choice, given their transfer ban, Lampard's past as a Chelsea player and especially his good results with Derby
Like the managers above improved those clubs, I really think Blanc would be a good fit for us, much better than Pochettino or other currently available managers. With him as manager, I see us again as title challengers in 1-2 years, while also playing offensive, exciting football again.
Option 2 is the way to go but we shouldn't limit ourselves to someone that is affiliated to the club. Because there isn't anyone good enough. Even our two greatest ever managers didn't have a affiliation with club when they were given the job. Sir Matt had a strong affiliation with Liverpool whilst Sir Alex was Glasgow Rangers through and through. We should target one of Nagelsmann, Rose or Ten Haag and bring in a DoF who is gonna be compatible working with one of the three. Ralf Rangnick should definitely be a strong candidate in that regard and would relish the challenge in awakening a fallen giant, along with with one of the aforementioned. Giving Poch the job would be fraught with a bigger risk due to his reluctance in working with a DoF type figure
 

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It's not a knock on established, quality managers. But I see it as a trend that more and more clubs are taking chances on young managers rather than wait for them to spend years in lower leagues/clubs developing themselves. Woody isn't competent, but also isn't completely insane for giving it to Ole for a season.
I agree that it's becoming a trend with clubs. It's just not one I feel is sensible. I can't get on board with Ed giving Ole the job permanently, solely because he said we'll wait until the end of the season and then make a decision. That was absolutely the right thing to do. Instead, he waited until results started to turn poor, THEN made him permanent. It was so stupid on so many levels. A sad indictment of Woodward.
 

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There is nothing unfortunate in sacking a relegation level manager.
Unfortunate in the sense that he is a club legend, has demonstrated the willingness to develop youth and wants the team to do well, however has not shown the tactical or coaching capacity to bring real improvement.
 

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I think he was incompetent before he was hired, after he was hired and 8 months(or wherever we are) into the permanent job. He will be also incompetent at any top job if he lands next(highly doubtful).

He's just a poor manager with his level at a Norway type of league.

After all he would probably is one of the very few managers that can undoubtedly claim the crown of being the worst appointments for not only one, but two(Cardiff) clubs in their entire PL history.
Ok, maybe not the manager to take us forward but the manager to implement the changes needed for progression?
 

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Ok, maybe not the manager to take us forward but the manager to implement the changes needed for progression?
Absolutely not, and I'm not sure how the hell some got that idea from?

Ten Hag with Overmars type of figure. Nagelsmann/Rose with Ragnick type of figure - that's the model. Hell at this point I'll take Poch with moneyball type of management above him.

In all cases you need an excellent coach, excellent tactician and man manager.

Ole has neither of those qualities. He's like Faubert in Madrid. Just glad to be there and also pick a top check during his stay.
 

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Wait a second, what is this revisionism about the great recruitment and management of squad Ole has done?

Even if I were to accept, that all of his 3 signings are 'great' (which they have been not). Why do Ole in fans never talk about several renewals Ole has awarded to several players who simply don't deserve to be here? I mean Jones, Young, Mata and Pereira all got fresh deals even before we did any of our summer activity. What use is weeding out the deadwood accumulated under previous manager, when you yourself are contributing to, what would become deadwood for next manager?
 

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Didn't you read? Villa have better midfield so you can't win game without our midfield. Point is huge. Not Ole's fault
Are you a WUM? Who refused to buy any midfielder? He went and paid 80 odd million on a CB. He could have got a midfield player and a CB for less than that. Leicester paid 64 for their Turkish CB and Tielemans and still had change of 14 million from the sake of Maguire to us.
 

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Absolutely not, and I'm not sure how the hell some got that idea from?

Ten Hag with Overmars type of figure. Nagelsmann/Rose with Ragnick type of figure - that's the model. Hell at this point I'll take Poch with moneyball type of management above him.

In all cases you need an excellent coach, excellent tactician and man manager.

Ole has neither of those qualities. He's like Faubert in Madrid. Just glad to be there and also pick a top check during his stay.
For one Ole is not the type of guy to be picking up a cheque (spelt right for you weirdos and yanks) and you should be ashamed for accusing him of that,

He has implemented the changes needed already and many more to come. Whether he is the right man to see it through is up for argument, the names you mention all sound fancy but as we’ve seen from recent weeks managers come and managers go.
 

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So here we go again. I don't think there's a United fan that did not want ole to work. It hasn't and won't work. Regardless on how we feel about the post Fergie managers we have had, there's been positives we saw in each of them( except maybe Moyes).
But I can't for the life of me see any in Ole. Today's game was actually a good result, when I saw the team we put out ( the midfield) I thought we were going to lose.
There seems to be no plan, its kind of like that lot (ole and crew) just put names on paper and hope for the best.
Having a terrible board and owners can not be an excuse of our performances on the pitch. We made villa look good, Sheffield were miles better than us, we were like a midtable club getting a point from a top six club (which we are on the table).
Surely our players are better than this
 

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What I'm seeing is:

- performances getting worse, not better
- outdated, predictable football

If Ole had any idea, if he had the capabilities to implement...something resembling coherent football, we would've seen it by now.
 
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But your trusting the clowns above, Liverpool have good owners and execs, we have cnuts and clowns.
Nobody has good owners and the ones that do aren’t the ones necessary at the top. I wish we would stop with this hope that good owners are going to bring us back.
 

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For one Ole is not the type of guy to be picking up a cheque (spelt right for you weirdos and yanks) and you should be ashamed for accusing him of that,

He has implemented the changes needed already and many more to come. Whether he is the right man to see it through is up for argument, the names you mention all sound fancy but as we’ve seen from recent weeks managers come and managers go.
Point taken for cheque, although for some reason XenForo still auto corrects it ;)

Ole will get nowhere near the same salary he's getting and when he will get the sack he will get a handsome package along with that. Not his fault of course, but if you think he's not taking the money or just out of free will, you are in the wrong.

What changes he has implemented so far? The Brexit transfer strategy? 150m for two defenders that is beginning to be clear for everyone that we paid over the odds?

Contracts for Mata, Jones, Pereira, 200k for Rashford (who I rate but seriously?), 190k or 200k was it for Maguire?

As seen from recent weeks managers come and go and we're always late to pull the trigger and waiting unnecessary for things to get better on their own.

Whether he's the right man is not up to argument mate, come on. How shit are you waiting for it to get to finally see it through?
 

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This is crazy. Look at the players Liverpool have, Spurs, Chelsea even Leicester. How can you possible expect OGS to put this team in a top 5 spot?!

Nobody was complaining when he was appointed.

Right now I'd say hes doing as well as anyone could do with this group. You need to get a grip of reality if you expect this team to be competing with the top6. Pep couldn't put this group top 6.

Stick with him, invest in Jan, and if he still cant get them competing fair enough. Show a bit of loyalty for gods sake.
 

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Nobody has good owners and the ones that do aren’t the ones necessary at the top. I wish we would stop with this hope that good owners are going to bring us back.
Leicester’s don’t seem bad, rarely hear a bad word about Liverpools, most Germans have the majority voice.

We have owners who only care about the bottom line.
 

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Are you a WUM? Who refused to buy any midfielder? He went and paid 80 odd million on a CB. He could have got a midfield player and a CB for less than that. Leicester paid 64 for their Turkish CB and Tielemans and still had change of 14 million from the sake of Maguire to us.
I was sarcastic ffs. Even with Rafael and Jones in midfield we should be winning against Villa
 

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Leicester’s don’t seem bad, rarely hear a bad word about Liverpools, most Germans have the majority voice.

We have owners who only care about the bottom line.
Tell me when David Gill was criticised when we was at the top?

I’ll wait. Same owners by the way, same board too.
 

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Firstly I just want to say that OGS is a united legend and always will be for what he did as a PLAYER.

Sadly that’s where it stops because this romantic idea that this club legend can make us great again is driven only by nostalgia and not by his ability as a coach. Does he need to be relieved of his duties? Yes is the answer and ASAP. Why? well here is my opinion for what it’s worth.

If OGS had never played for this club he would be nowhere near the United job. If he had got the job as someone who was not already a club legend and results and performances had gone like they are now then I feel that all united fans (match going fans, internet fans etc. All fans none the same) would be toxic and demanding he be sacked. This is a manager(we are not talking about OGS the player) who got Cardiff relegated for fecks sake, what the hell is he doing managing United, he should never have got the job, ever.

I can not see or understand what are tactics are, can not see a player who has improved under OGS and do not trust OGS to deliver what the ‘long term strategy’ of the club is. I do however king of agree with aspects of the long term strategy of the club is. Sign young and up and coming British players seems like a ok idea when you consider the sheer amount of money that we have wasted on players like ADM, Pogba, Lukaku, Sanchez (wages), Depay etc. It’s criminal. Signing these players at the the time felt exciting in a way but also didn’t quite feel or sit right as there was clearly no pattern in the type of player we signed. Our crop of young players coming through also seem to be the best we have had in a few years. Mctominay, Gomes, axel tuz, Gardner, Williams, Henderson all seem like they could have a good future at united if, and only if, they were being coached by a good manager. Sadly OGS the manager is not the man to lead the clubs vision, not now, not ever. He is an incredibly annoying manager with his ridiculous cliches in his interviews that are more cringe worthy than what moyes used to say. I hate to say I can’t stand him as a manager, strong words I know for a playing club legend, but from the cliches to the stupid smug smile when we lose to the really really boring football we have to see every god dam week is now beyond shit and annoying.

Who do we get to replace him? I think we need someone who knows the league, knows what it’s like to play 2-3 games in 7 days, knows how to improve average to good players to be the best they can be, knows how to integrate young players into the 1st team, has a clear style of football. For me that player is Poch. Yes I know he didn’t win anything at spurs but look what he did do. Did they have a clear style of play? Yes. Did he bring young players through to the 1st team? Yes. Did he improve existing players? Yes. Did he quickly get rid of deadwood? Yes. Was he successful? If you look at what amounts to success for spurs then he won the lot by qualifying for the champions league year after year on a shoe string budget. So was he successful, Yes.

OGS you are and always will be a complete legend for what you did as a player, for that I can only say thank you for giving me so many memories that I will cherish forever. But as a manager I’m afraid that you are not good enough and this romantic idea of you as manager which is only driven by nostalgia has to stop and stop now.
 

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Point taken for cheque, although for some reason XenForo still auto corrects it ;)

Ole will get nowhere near the same salary he's getting and when he will get the sack he will get a handsome package along with that. Not his fault of course, but if you think he's not taking the money or just out of free will, you are in the wrong.

What changes he has implemented so far? The Brexit transfer strategy? 150m for two defenders that is beginning to be clear for everyone that we paid over the odds?

Contracts for Mata, Jones, Pereira, 200k for Rashford (who I rate but seriously?), 190k or 200k was it for Maguire?

As seen from recent weeks managers come and go and we're always late to pull the trigger and waiting unnecessary for things to get better on their own.

Whether he's the right man is not up to argument mate, come on. How shit are you waiting for it to get to finally see it through?
He’s cleared out a few that needed going as well, contract renewals? Don’t think he would have sanctioned some of those mentioned probably financially motivated by Ed the Red and crew.

My argument is to have any strategy of changing the playing squad we can’t keep chopping and changing not because I am supporting Ole but because the players keep seeing it as a free pass.

How the feck do the following players deserve a place at this club

Young
Jones
(Smalling)
Rojo
Shaw
Mata
Periera
Matic
Fred

They know that a new manager will give them another year and the next will too, it’s a vicious circle we need out of and I only trust a manager who is only concerned about the best for united as he already shown by letting Lukaku go knowing he would be short all summer.
 
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