Blaming Woodward and all those above Ole

[Ban]

How is the Manutd board shit?

Spending too much on average players, giving too big salaries to average players, selling cheap, vetoing deals managers want, not having a proper structure, Ed deciding on football related stuff, no DOF, slowness in making transfers, releasing players after transfer window is done without a replacement, seemingly concluding one transfer at a time, dithering in transfer window, using the club as a piggy bank, letting Old Trafford rot, no plan or strategy for the future, replacing managers without a slight idea why that and that manager exactly should be appointed.

Is that enough?

 

[Enigma_87]

How exactly Madrid and especially Chelsea have shitty boards?

Seriously? We complain about buying wrong players and Real Madrid have an odd choice every year for top money. Odrizola, Vinicius, both Diaz, this year alone they spent 300m EUR - some of the names haven't exactly impressed either.

History of appointing wrong managers - last year alone they appointed 3 in the course of the season, history of bringing players that the manager didn't want. Bringing in shite players for high wages - in the last 20 years alone they brought the likes of Woodgate, Gravesen, Faubert, Drenthe, Adebayor, etc, etc. Players siding with the board and sacking the manager. Numerous loans which the country pays, sold off their training grounds to wipe off the debt. I can go on and on.

 

[romufc]

Spending too much on average players, giving too big salaries to average players, selling cheap, vetoing deals managers want, not having a proper structure, Ed deciding on football related stuff, no DOF, slowness in making transfers, releasing players after transfer window is done without a replacement, seemingly concluding one transfer at a time, dithering in transfer window, using the club as a piggy bank, letting Old Trafford rot, no plan or strategy for the future, replacing managers without a slight idea why that and that manager exactly should be appointed.

Is that enough?

So you have a copy of the business plan?

So if no one wants our players - we shouldnt sell and retain them at the club?

When you are desperate, teams know you will pay over the odds. Fans want the best players but not happy when we overpay. Fred we over paid, but who else in the last 3 years?

Slowness in making transfers - yet we are one of the biggest spenders?

So in your opinion, Chelsea, Madrid don't over spend?

Real Madrid's board buy players without the knowledge of the managers, they replace managers quicker than united.

Every club has these issues.

Oh so you think Ole had no say in the transfers? vetoing deals this summer?

Maybe you want Ole to stay in charge but I am not willing to have a manager who wouldn't even succeed in the championship.

How does letting OT rot, paying over the top affect the way the manager plays?

 

[sunama]

Both are absolutely incompetent in their roles

That sums it up nicely.

 

[Enigma_87]

Spending too much on average players, giving too big salaries to average players, selling cheap, vetoing deals managers want, not having a proper structure, Ed deciding on football related stuff, no DOF, slowness in making transfers, releasing players after transfer window is done without a replacement, seemingly concluding one transfer at a time, dithering in transfer window, using the club as a piggy bank, letting Old Trafford rot, no plan or strategy for the future, replacing managers without a slight idea why that and that manager exactly should be appointed.

Is that enough?

You can easily swap United with Real there mate.

 

[sunama]

Seriously? We complain about buying wrong players and Real Madrid have an odd choice every year for top money. Odrizola, Vinicius, both Diaz, this year alone they spent 300m EUR - some of the names haven't exactly impressed either.

Madrid did spend big, last Summer, because they wanted to go back to the top.
Some of the buys have not turned out to be good, yet.
However, Madrid and currently joint top of the league.

When MUFC are joint top of the league, then we can laugh at Madrid, but until then, we need to look at our own house and try and get that in order.

Woodward and Ole are both incompetent at their jobs. I don't think anybody who knows anything about football, can argue against that.

You can easily swap United with Real there mate.

We can't though.
Madrid raplce managers and players quickly. But they win trophies.
We replace managers and keep players who are past their use by date. And don't win trophies.
You can't begin to compare Madird and MUFC in 2019. Madrid are several levels above us. our level is Sheffield Utd - Aston Villa. It pains me to say that, but we have just played these teams and get a draw (on merit, not by luck).

 

[Ban]

So you have a copy of the business plan?

So if no one wants our players - we shouldnt sell and retain them at the club?

When you are desperate, teams know you will pay over the odds. Fans want the best players but not happy when we overpay. Fred we over paid, but who else in the last 3 years?

Slowness in making transfers - yet we are one of the biggest spenders?

So in your opinion, Chelsea, Madrid don't over spend?

Real Madrid's board buy players without the knowledge of the managers, they replace managers quicker than united.

Every club has these issues.

Oh so you think Ole had no say in the transfers? vetoing deals this summer?

Maybe you want Ole to stay in charge but I am not willing to have a manager who wouldn't even succeed in the championship.

How does letting OT rot, paying over the top affect the way the manager plays?

Did I see I want Ole to stay? Why is everything black and white? Biggest spenders and slowness in transfer market don't exclude each other..
If only a manager is our problem we have no problems at all. We're just hire a new one..

Oh wait.

 

[Ban]

Seriously? We complain about buying wrong players and Real Madrid have an odd choice every year for top money. Odrizola, Vinicius, both Diaz, this year alone they spent 300m EUR - some of the names haven't exactly impressed either.

History of appointing wrong managers - last year alone they appointed 3 in the course of the season, history of bringing players that the manager didn't want. Bringing in shite players for high wages - in the last 20 years alone they brought the likes of Woodgate, Gravesen, Faubert, Drenthe, Adebayor, etc, etc. Players siding with the board and sacking the manager. Numerous loans which the country pays, sold off their training grounds to wipe off the debt. I can go on and on.

Yet where is Madrid and where are we? They had their Gravesend and Drenthes but they got their act together. Theyve has a core of the team for the last few years and have been buying young players.

 

[Massive Spanner]

City are the only real PL club who I think you can make a case that no aspects of their board are incompetent. Their facilities, recruitment policies, finance management etc. are all way ahead of everyone bar maybe Chelsea in a few aspects.

I think Liverpool are masked over by how good Klopp is and it'll be interesting to see what happens if he goes.

Us and Arsenal are comfortably the worst, though.

 

[Enigma_87]

Madrid did spend big, last Summer, because they wanted to go back to the top.
Some of the buys have not turned out to be good, yet.
However, Madrid and currently joint top of the league.

When MUFC are joint top of the league, then we can laugh at Madrid, but until then, we need to look at our own house and try and get that in order.

Woodward and Ole are both incompetent at their jobs. I don't think anybody who knows anything about football, can argue against that.

Every negative point towards our board can be easily directed to Madrid. With the exception that the government more often than not bails them out.

Since the rise of Rijkaard and Pep's Barca, Real won the championship 4 times in the last how many (16?) years, spending billions in the process.

They didn't renew del Bosque contract in 2003, offering him a technical role, which was literally a WTF moment. A manager that won them 2 CL's and 2 La Liga's was replaced by Queroz, Camacho, Caro, Remon, Luxemburgo winning only a supercup afterwards till they appointed Capello only to sack him bringing La Liga back, due to "pragmatic style".

I'd wager Real won't win it this year as well, despite spending 300m.

 

[romufc]

Did I see I want Ole to stay? Why is everything black and white? Biggest spenders and slowness in transfer market don't exclude each other..
If only a manager is our problem we have no problems at all. We're just hire a new one..

Oh wait.

And have I said the Board are good enough? They are not but blaming the board for poor performances on the pitch is not right either.

Woodward and his team are rubbish I agree because they tend to react rather than being pro-active.

The managers we have had - Moyes was never United quality
LVG was a manager at the end of his career.
Jose was meant to be the one who got us back but didnt work out - this happens
Ole - was only meant to be short term, it is clear he is not good enough, never has been.

We all knew what Jose is before we got him.

 

[Enigma_87]

Yet where is Madrid and where are we? They had their Gravesend and Drenthes but they got their act together. Theyve has a core of the team for the last few years and have been buying young players.

They are throwing money at the problems and sometimes it works out - just what we have been doing since Fergie. How is their approach any different to what you are criticizing our board for?

Both suck, however in Spain there is 2(maybe 3) horse race. Regardless of how shit they are they are guaranteed CL, especially when they spend hundreds of millions usually every Summer.

 

[devilish]

The problem is Dev that under our current ownership that isn't possible at this moment in time. Just think of it like this, you have £150m to spend with Lukaku going to Inter. How do you go about spending that sum with all the holes in our team? The sensible thing would've been to spend the bulk of that money on midfield and and attack IMO instead of signing Maguire and Wan Bissaka for ridiculous sums and keeping Smalling at the club. Ole has shown a naivety that befits his inexperience as a manager at a club with such a high standing in the game and it's not surprising we've been even worse this season than ever before post SAF.

I think that we're tackling this the wrong way. We're currently 10th in the EPL table with points set to be lost in the next 2 games. We shouldn't be aiming at world beaters since

a- we probably won't get them
b- most big name players interested in us will come for the wrong reasons (last pay cheque etc)
c- we won't be winning any trophies anytime soon which in turn will piss those big name players off (ex Pogba)

Instead we should

a- remove the deadwood. That will forward the message that we mean business and that complacency won't be accepted anymore
b- we should aim for players who provide value and who can help us close the gap to top 4

That's exactly what Sir Alex did during the 1988 and 1989 transfer windows when he bought a looping 11 players in total. Some were top players (Hughes, Pally, Ince, Sharpe) but some were duds (Milne, Maiorana, Donaghy). That didn't matter. What mattered was that the team suddenly learnt that the manager mean business, that he's properly backed by the owners and that 1 mistake might be enough for him to replace them next summer. Instead we've got a CEO who said that he'll have to give contract extensions to current players irrespective of their performance mainly because he won't be able to replace them.

So who should we look at next season? Id say we should aim at players who are heading towards the end of their contracts (Meunier (RB), Sarr (CB-LB), Tonali (MC), Eriksen (AMC), Fraser (LW), Milik (FWD)), players who are on the transfer list (ex Can), players with minimum fee clauses (Pellegrini?), players from leagues that provide value (Dutch/Italian/German league) and promising kids. Who should leave? Any sort of deadwood whose been stealing a living at the club (Jones, Mata, Lingard, Matic, Sanchez, Shaw etc) who isn't good enough (Rojo etc) or who doesn't want to stay here anymore (Pogba)

 

[Bobcat]

You can easily swap United with Real there mate.

I think everyone agrees that Pérez and his merry band of rouges are not the best board in the world, but theirs and ours situation is not the same. La Liga is a two horse race and have been that way for ages. Even with the most incompetent board and manager imaginable they have such a big financial and structural advantage over everyone else (except Barca of course) that they can get away with it and at worst end up 3rd or something in the league. We cant since its a much more competitive league and the smaller clubs are not being shafted financially the same way here as in Spain

My fear is that we will go the route of AC MIlan. They were(are) a huge club who had amazing managers and players in the past, but utterly incompetent owners and a lacking structure, so when their golden generation faded away or went on to other clubs, they quickly plunged on the table and have stayed down since with little sign of climbing back up. Also worth noing that it was Allegri who (some) people want as a manger here who was manager there then and went from 1st to 12th in his third season

People are so damn focused on managers and seem to completely forget they are just one person and there are literally hundreds if not thousands who are involved in the every day running of the club. The manager and players might be the bricks you build the house with, but the structure around them is the mortar that holds it together and right now we seem to be building with no mortar and loads of shite bricks

 

[Ban]

And have I said the Board are good enough? They are not but blaming the board for poor performances on the pitch is not right either.

Woodward and his team are rubbish I agree because they tend to react rather than being pro-active.

The managers we have had - Moyes was never United quality
LVG was a manager at the end of his career.
Jose was meant to be the one who got us back but didnt work out - this happens
Ole - was only meant to be short term, it is clear he is not good enough, never has been.

We all knew what Jose is before we got him.

Who's blaming them for poor performances?
But in the of the day who hired all these managers?

 

[Chesterlestreet]

If I was a shareholder I would demand Woodward's firing because the club spent a fortune for no good reasons other than please managers.

Indeed.

If you look at it from the outside, it's outrageous - nothing short of it. If you spend that kind of money on this:

7th, 4th, 5th, 6th, 2nd, 6th...

...and - more to the point - on a team that isn't anywhere near an actual challenge for a major trophy (miles off it - not even slightly close)...

...you're spending like a drunken sailor, basically, which would cause heads to roll in most places, no matter what the objective is (the objective surely can't be to under-perform that drastically in terms of money invested on matters related to the field in which the operation actually competes).

 

[romufc]

Who's blaming them for poor performances?
But in the of the day who hired all these managers?

agreed, but it is quite clear the board is not going anywhere.

We can scream all we like but the only thing that fan pressure would change is the manager.

 

[Ban]

agreed, but it is quite clear the board is not going anywhere.

We can scream all we like but the only thing that fan pressure would change is the manager.

Then this club will just go in circles.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

Woodward is the CEO and United have been failing at their core business for six years, the same amount of time he's been at the helm. I know you're "special" @shamans but this takes the biscuit.

 

[romufc]

Then this club will just go in circles.

It has been. It is a joke.

Until we find a manager who will succeed.

 

[Ban]

It has been. It is a joke.

Until we find a manager who will succeed.

But just finding a manager won't solve our problems. No manager can succeed with the current structure at the club.

 

[Massive Spanner]

They are throwing money at the problems and sometimes it works out - just what we have been doing since Fergie. How is their approach any different to what you are criticizing our board for?

Both suck, however in Spain there is 2(maybe 3) horse race. Regardless of how shit they are they are guaranteed CL, especially when they spend hundreds of millions usually every Summer.

What are you on about? Madrid barely spent a penny in the last 5 years til the summer just gone.

 

[Enigma_87]

I think everyone agrees that Pérez and his merry band of rouges are not the best board in the world, but theirs and ours situation is not the same. La Liga is a two horse race and have been that way for ages. Even with the most incompetent board and manager imaginable they have such a big financial and structural advantage over everyone else (except Barca of course) that they can get away with it and at worst end up 3rd or something in the league. We cant since its a much more competitive league and the smaller clubs are not being shafted financially the same way here as in Spain

My fear is that we will go the route of AC MIlan. They were(are) a huge club who had amazing managers and players in the past, but utterly incompetent owners and a lacking structure, so when their golden generation faded away or went on to other clubs, they quickly plunged on the table and have stayed down since with little sign of climbing back up. Also worth noing that it was Allegri who (some) people want as a manger here who was manager there then and went from 1st to 12th in his third season

People are so damn focused on managers and seem to completely forget they are just one person and there are literally hundreds if not thousands who are involved in the every day running of the club. The manager and players might be the bricks you build the house with, but the structure around them is the mortar that holds it together and right now we seem to be building with no mortar and loads of shite bricks

Yeah, absolutely spot on on the para.

Agree on the second para.

And generally the 3rd para

The only difference is that I believe we should take out all incompetent ones out of the club in order to make the matters better. From experience - we can't usually move the board so the next one on the footballing side is the manager, coaching staff and so on.

If we are to move forward we can start with the manager now.

Of course the better way is to instill a proper structure right away, but under the current board I just can't see it right now.

 

[Enigma_87]

What are you on about? Madrid barely spent a penny in the last 5 years til the summer just gone.

Because they were successful and didn't need to. This is the reason why they spent 300m this Summer though as they needed a rebuild as they didn't transition it whilst being successful.

 

[Chesterlestreet]

https://www.espn.co.uk/football/soc...sources-united-stunned-by-50m-longstaff-price According to Rob Dawson we were put off by price and didn't make official offer. Not sure how reliable he is

Thanks, mate.

Well, I'm not sure how reliable he is either (ESPN is generally rather dodgy, as per the consensus among transfer muppets and whatnot). At any rate, IF we were in for Longstaff at a "reasonable" price, but backed off when they demanded silly money for him - that isn't damnable in itself. He's not a "generational talent", to use that popular phrase - just a promising player.

And the original point was about Longstaff being our only CM target - yes? There were other reports (equally legit - one could say) about us approaching Levy about Eriksen (a completely different profile to Longstaff).

Anyway - what I keep coming back to is Ole's remit and the expectations of the people who pay his salary: if he went into the season with the expectation of being there or thereabouts, it makes no sense whatsoever that he didn't strengthen the middle of the park (after losing Herrera, in particular). As I've said before, if that was the case, we have two alternatives:

a) he's naive (at best). He thought Pereira was good enough - the most obvious example.

b) he was let down by Ed.

I doubt very much that he knew that "there or thereabouts" was expected - but nevertheless only had Longstaff on his list. That really makes no sense at all - no matter what one thinks about his managerial ability or general judgment.

 

[Chesterlestreet]

They are throwing money at the problems and sometimes it works out - just what we have been doing since Fergie. How is their approach any different to what you are criticizing our board for?

Both suck, however in Spain there is 2(maybe 3) horse race. Regardless of how shit they are they are guaranteed CL, especially when they spend hundreds of millions usually every Summer.

You're largely right about this, for what it's worth.

The idea that Real Madrid are "well run", as such, is dubious at best. If you look at the "Galactico" approach in terms of money spent versus results, you can ask all sorts of questions - not least if you go back to when it was originally implemented: they were positively shite in Europe for years despite sporting huge names brought in at record prices.

Their model is completely different, though. And - as you say - they operate in a very different domestic environment. There's a limit to how badly they can fail given their financial muscle and the nature of the Spanish league. Not comparable to the English domestic scene at all.

 

[Josep Dowling]

City are the only real PL club who I think you can make a case that no aspects of their board are incompetent. Their facilities, recruitment policies, finance management etc. are all way ahead of everyone bar maybe Chelsea in a few aspects.

I think Liverpool are masked over by how good Klopp is and it'll be interesting to see what happens if he goes.

Us and Arsenal are comfortably the worst, though.

Because they have an unlimited supply of cash to fix any problem. There can be little credit for what they have done. They find the best and can afford to pay what it takes to get them, whether that be the players, manager, background staff, even football clubs abroad. Their accounts are a load of bollocks as well. They are not the highly successful business they like to portray when a substantial bulk of their income is sponsorship from companies their owner controls.

 

[Enigma_87]

You're largely right about this, for what it's worth.

The idea that Real Madrid are "well run", as such, is dubious at best. If you look at the "Galactico" approach in terms of money spent versus results, you can ask all sorts of questions - not least if you go back to when it was originally implemented: they were positively shite in Europe for years despite sporting huge names brought in at record prices.

Their model is completely different, though. And - as you say - they operate in a very different domestic environment. There's a limit to how badly they can fail given their financial muscle and the nature of the Spanish league. Not comparable to the English domestic scene at all.

Yes. In essence they operate in larger scale, whilst also having a bigger pull in terms of names and players that want to come play for them in a more favorable environment.

We're in worse position that is clear, but there are certainly many boards that are subpar, yet they are doing good on the pitch and in the league/competitions for various reasons.

 

[UnrelatedPsuedo]

These threads are great for finding negative tw4ts to block

 

[He'sRaldo]

How hard can it be? Its not a problem for other clubs. How long does it take to put a reasonable offer on the table for a player?

It's not difficult for other better-organized clubs. He's obviously not going about it the right way, maybe not even serious about the rebuild, if he's trying to tell us all we can expect is 3 players per summer and none in January.

If that's the case then we're pretty much fecked unless we get a genius manager who also has the skills of a sporting director to take over from our poor recruitment team.

 

[Josep Dowling]

Woodward is the CEO and United have been failing at their core business for six years, the same amount of time he's been at the helm. I know you're "special" @shamans but this takes the biscuit.

It also coincided with one of the best managers that ever existed retiring who had full control of nearly all aspect of the club. It's the club's failure for not making the transition smoother. Especially when David Gill left at the same time. Most businesses would not allow 2 major managerial components leave at the same time and that quickly.

The issue now is Woodward has had 6 years to improve his transfer negotiations and we are still paying inflated prices for above average players. And making terrible managerial appointments.

 

[DoomSlayer]

But just finding a manager won't solve our problems. No manager can succeed with the current structure at the club.

I applaude for still trying to drop knowledge to some agenda-driven posters. You can just see the knee-jerk reaction from a majority of people every year, it's the same thing over and over again.

It's hilarious how people overlook all the facts of the Glazer ownership, how narrow minded they have been and what a failure their man Woodward has been. Some of the less informed resort to cliches, others use some economical and financial BS explanations to show what geniuses we have in the board that have made us so "rich". It's mind-boggling.

The OP is also the same guy who has stated on numerous occasions that he won't support Manchester United if the club is not successful.

 

[He'sRaldo]

Maybe I can help you find peace. It had little to do with Klopp decision to stay at Dortmund, he said that he had several concrete offers one of them being United, he took a few weeks to think about them and decided that his job at Dortmund wasn't finished. As for the comment itself, Woodward was refering to Old Trafford which has for nickname the theater of dreams and based on the report it wasn't a deal breaker for Klopp, he just thought that that line wasn't "sexy".

All you said is true, however I'm willing to bet Ed wasn't able to sell the club to Klopp in a way Klopp would find attractive. And the Disneyland stuff is just a part of that.

In fact, I'm sure Ed is not able to sell the club to anyone he recruits aside from the promise of big wages, big money, and bigger profile. Of course this is speculation on my part but the evidence I've seen points to this.

 

[JPRouve]

All you said is true, however I'm willing to bet Ed wasn't able to sell the club to Klopp in a way Klopp would find attractive. And the Disneyland stuff is just a part of that.

In fact, I'm sure Ed is not able to sell the club to anyone he recruits aside from the promise of big wages, big money, and bigger profile. Of course this is speculation on my part but the evidence I've seen points to this.

Why do you think people sign for when they join other wealthy clubs? Some of you are incredibly naive, we are talking about professionals, big wages, big money and bigger profile are the main reasons to leave their current employer.

 

[AshRK]

I can never take a man united fan seriously who dares to defend the clown, Woodward. The guy is the major reason this club is in tatters. He is an arrogant guy who loves his power and will not give that away. Look at the smug on his face when he was waving at the camera after signing Maguire as if he has done something remarkable. Took him one month to get that deal and acts like he knows every damn thing about football. Cannot stand him, the guy is taking a piss out of this club and anyone hating the manager more than this clown is a joke and has lack of understanding of our issues.

 

[Fosu-Mens]

I've had enough of people shoving all the blame on Ed Woodward and defending Ole with this whole "until Woodward resigns". Complete nonsense. I'm not here to say Woodward has done a great or even good job but it is nowhere near the incompetency Ole has shown.

Woodward backed every LVG transfer till the end. Backed Mourinho with all sorts of players he wanted that turned out to be garbage. Mourinho was not backed for one season because of his failed transfer record. Yes Woodward made a mistake giving Mourinho that long contract and I said it back then as well but at the time it did make sense.

Now he has made (in hindsight) the mistake of appointing Ole but put yourself in Woodwards shoes. Imagine not giving Ole the contract back then and getting another manager in who may also have failed. We would have slaughtered Woodward for "what could have been" with how Ole was winning every game. Still, Woodward does take some blame for not giving him a shorter contract or waiting till the end of the season.

When it comes to summer 2019 transfers I simply do not understand how Ed Woodward is getting the blame. Time and time again, press conference after press conference Ole has shown his naive approach when it comes to judging players. Ole truly believed we would be fine going in this season with youth like Greenwood and Perreira. Okay, Wan Bissaka Maguire and James are good transfers but they cost a fortune -- any of us could have known Wan Bissaka or Maguire would be good fits. A top manager would (such as Poch) would find a low price bargain. Someone like a Soyuncu.

Ole chose to let Fellaini and Lukaku go and replace them with youngsters from the academy. If Ole identified targets such as Dybala, Bale and/or Modric and the board failed to get them that is not the boards fault. Identifying world class players can be done by any of us on here. The manager failing to identify realistic targets is another blunder on his part.

Furthermore, Woodward is not to blame for Ole playing Perreira on the wings, Mata on the right and back three's when we don't need it.

Yeah feck Woodward but Ole's failure has nothing to do with him. We can be a very successful club even with a shitty board.

Same as it was with the previous managers:
Long term issue/blame: Woodward and the structure above the manager.
Short term issue/blame: OGS and the squad.

 

[RedDevilUnited369]

Ole is already begging for Woodward to do his job properly...but when it doesn’t happen, fans will blame Ole.

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Fair to say this thread backfired?

 

[He'sRaldo]

Why do you think people sign for when they join other wealthy clubs? Some of you are incredibly naive, we are talking about professionals, big wages, big money and bigger profile are the main reasons to leave their current employer.

Sometimes but not always. Some like a project better, or development, or trophies.

If money was everything, then we could have gotten the best players in the world without guarantees of trophies. It's no coincidence we've been getting some washed-up players, where a large paycheck is the priority instead of football-related matters.

 

[Massive Spanner]

Because they were successful and didn't need to. This is the reason why they spent 300m this Summer though as they needed a rebuild as they didn't transition it whilst being successful.

So wait, they were successful and didn't spend money yet they're as bad as us because the minute they weren't successful, they spent a lot of money so that they'd be successful again?

I'm struggling to see your logic here. I mean there's simply no way you can possibly say Real are as badly managed a club as us.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

It also coincided with one of the best managers that ever existed retiring who had full control of nearly all aspect of the club. It's the club's failure for not making the transition smoother. Especially when David Gill left at the same time. Most businesses would not allow 2 major managerial components leave at the same time and that quickly.

The issue now is Woodward has had 6 years to improve his transfer negotiations and we are still paying inflated prices for above average players. And making terrible managerial appointments.

I don't disagree that the transition was handled poorly but by this point it should be clear that Woodward isn't cut out for his role and the board should act.