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I do agree with you to some degree here. In the minute leading up to the incident, he does shake his hands around a lot, making a lot of wanker gestures, and it's not completely different from the gorilla incident. After viewing it many times I am leaning towards it being a gorilla impression, but I don't think it is set in stone. The plane gestures in other clips are much more clear cut.

I do find it a little disturbing how the online mob can find him guilty to the point of involving his kids in the matter. I don't condone racism in any way, but do you deserve to have your life ruined over a 1 second incident because it happened to end up on television? I think a lifetime fan on Citys end could be fitting, but the whole ordeal of tracking him down online to afflict as much pain as possible doesn't really speak to me.
Yejh. Terry and Suarez were proven but still some people admire their career and don’t mind to say they’re legend. It’s all polemic when a nobody is doing it.
 

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Is FA taking any additional action? I am talking specifically about the entire section throwing objects at Fred. If anything like that happened at the international level (Champions League etc.) UEFA would 100% be penalizing the team and the venue, making them play several consequent matches in front of an empty stadium. I dont see any such punishment of Etihad even discussed? Why? Getting away with this shit means the feckers will feel free to keep going
 

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Is FA taking any additional action? I am talking specifically about the entire section throwing objects at Fred. If anything like that happened at the international level (Champions League etc.) UEFA would 100% be penalizing the team and the venue, making them play several consequent matches in front of an empty stadium. I dont see any such punishment of Etihad even discussed? Why? Getting away with this shit means the feckers will feel free to keep going
People chucking lighters and coins at players happens every weekend and has done for decades. The FA don't ever do anything about it.
 

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People chucking lighters and coins at players happens every weekend and has done for decades. The FA don't ever do anything about it.
From what I saw, he got hit with a water bottle pretty painfully. Have definitely seen venues punished for such things internationally. Didn’t know these things were common in EPL. That sucks :( Maybe they should do something to stop it.
 

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People chucking lighters and coins at players happens every weekend and has done for decades. The FA don't ever do anything about it.
Isn’t that assault? You can’t go on the streets throwing stuff at people can you?
 

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Keep politics out of this FFS, it's nothing to do with politics. You're as bad as brainless Neville.
I shouldn't say this but it looks like your one of the left wing, spoilt snow flakes.
Anyone who uses the word "snowflake" seriously, unless talking about the feathery ice crystal, immediately loses the argument and their credibility.
 

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The second you use the term snowflake unironically you lose basically any chance you have of anyone taking you seriously ever again.
Spot on. Unless, of course, talking about the feathery ice crystal.
 

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The second you use the term snowflake unironically you lose basically any chance you have of anyone taking you seriously ever again.
Amen!
 

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So he’s been identified on social media and now the twitter mob are tweeting his employer asking for him to be sacked before his even been convicted of anything.

If what he did was a monkey chant he deserves the full punishment of the law and whatever City decide. That’s it. His punishment should be no different to if someone made a racial comment / gesture to someone in a pub whatever you’d imagine it be a ban and probably a caution / community service from the courts.

When social media gets involved and justice is no longer equal then we have a problem. This man, no matter how repulsive his actions and views, committed a crime that in any other situation would not result in him losing his job. The courts would not punish him by saying his employers should sack him, but now because of social media he will lose his job. His family will suffer, his hate will grow.

And worse it brings a two tier justice system: People caught on social media get punished more then those whose crimes escape social media.
That bolded part is patently untrue. Most self-respecting employers have zero-tolerance rule for racism. His employer stated that they do indeed have one and they suspended him pending internal investigation - which is EXACTLY what anybody should expect after being racist on a TV. He was NOT fired based on social media mob accusation - he is suspended pending proper internal investigation, so no need for exaggeration.

Mob lynching is unacceptable in any situation – police, City club and his employer should deal with him, but that dude is no innocent victim, as well. No particular need to feel overly sorry for his idiocy. We’ve seen his video (and not just a screenshot as he claimed) - it’s pretty clear what he was doing. Him trying to lie that he was just “putting hands in the pockets” is simple cowardice and not at all believable.
 
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You can see the racist incident starting at 1:02. Honestly I’m struggling to see where this gorilla gesture is. He shakes his hands for a second but I think that’s because it’s cold. He’s an idiot but I don’t think he was racially abusing Fred or Lingard.
It was a monkey/ape gesture. No need to die on this hill.
 

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Well from a German perspective no beer and no standing in stadiums sounds like a restriction of freedom. And a lot of the people who drive the atmosphere in German stadiums are young folks who pay €150-200 for their season ticket and might not be able to afford following their team around for every match if they had to pay English prices

The drama is basically restricted to the ultra blocks, if you stand close to them you know what you sign up for. The further you get away from them the calmer things become and thus there are plenty of women and children at stadiums as well, just not necessarily in at the hot spots (though afaik ultras don't discrimminate based on gender). If you watch the Hertha video again you can see people just a couple of meters up the away block standing there peacefully drinking their beer, watching the game.
The ban on standing in England was as a reaction to stadium disasters like Hillsborough. Perhaps some of the measures were over the top but I think the vast majority of people are happy with the way football culture has changed since the 80s. You can drink in the stadiums, just not in the terraces. As it happens both restrictions are being looked at and will probably be lifted sometime in the near future. I think safe standing terraces are now permissible.

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...molineux-sir-jack-hayward-stand-safe-standing

Law and order is hardly dystopia. Surely these cops are not there to harm the average Joe (Hans?), but in the case some lunatic tries something stupid.
You could be right if they were used left and right to deal with mundane situations, but the poster clarified they are rarely needed.
Law and order can absolutely be dystopian, in fact I'd say that an oppressive and aggressive law and order system would be the cornerstone of any dystopian totalitarian reality. Personally I think having armed riot police at football matches as a matter of course is an example of a failed security policy.
 

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Isn’t that assault? You can’t go on the streets throwing stuff at people can you?
You can't scream "you're shit, ahhh" at someone on the streets either. Or slide tackle from behind the person in front at the queue at the post office (as much as that would be awesome).

What happens at a football match seems to be outside the realm of what is acceptable in normal society.
 

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Special mention to @Nanook and @tony54 in this thread.
One is trying to find an excuse for the guy (he was cold :lol:) and the other spelled snowflake wrong (not to mention writing that which is never good).
 

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Special mention to @Nanook and @tony54 in this thread.
One is trying to find an excuse for the guy (he was cold :lol:) and the other spelled snowflake wrong (not to mention writing that which is never good).
There's always a couple in every racism thread trying to find ways to defend it :lol:
 

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Mind boggling the vile hatred the "beautiful game" can bring out in people, lets not kid ourselves here all clubs have that kind of fan lurking around somewhere. Hope they are ALL caught and banned for life from any level of football, just means more empty seats for City.
 

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To be fair to City, Italian clubs could learn a thing or 2 from the way they handled it. Dude's been arrested swiftly and might be banned for life? In Italy they would problaby have told Fred to man up and called it harmless banter.
 

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Mind boggling the vile hatred the "beautiful game" can bring out in people, lets not kid ourselves here all clubs have that kind of fan lurking around somewhere. Hope they are ALL caught and banned for life from any level of football, just means more empty seats for City.
Apparently there was a fair bit of violence in the stadium with City fans fighting among each other as well. A poster on Bluemoon says his young son was hit in the head with a coin that left him bleeding. Not sure how common this is in other stadiums. Never seen fights among home fans in any game I've been too. That said, I'm an armchair fan these days.
 

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Apparently there was a fair bit of violence in the stadium with City fans fighting among each other as well. A poster on Bluemoon says his young son was hit in the head with a coin that left him bleeding. Not sure how common this is in other stadiums. Never seen fights among home fans in any game I've been too. That said, I'm an armchair fan these days.
Yeah true that's a bit less common, although weren't West Ham fans fighting each other at a stage last season? Or at least being violet towards their own board? No place for it.
 

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I've been saying for a while that they've become one of the worst fanbases in the country. Glad they're finally under the microscope for it.
 

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City don't take defeats very well. Remember when they were crying 2 years before cause they didn't clinch the title vs us
 

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Apparently there was a fair bit of violence in the stadium with City fans fighting among each other as well. A poster on Bluemoon says his young son was hit in the head with a coin that left him bleeding. Not sure how common this is in other stadiums. Never seen fights among home fans in any game I've been too. That said, I'm an armchair fan these days.
Have seen a few scuffles inbetween Utd fans at OT in fairness. Not huge punchups but hands thrown. Could always have been oppo fans I guess as you cant hear what was said, but didn't look like it.

As for the excuse he was putting his hands in his pockets? Sorry but that is bollocks, he just realised that play was coming his way and so were the cameras. So not just a racist but a cowardly racist who realised he was going to get caught on live TV.
 

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Have seen a few scuffles inbetween Utd fans at OT in fairness. Not huge punchups but hands thrown. Could always have been oppo fans I guess as you cant hear what was said, but didn't look like it.

As for the excuse he was putting his hands in his pockets? Sorry but that is bollocks, he just realised that play was coming his way and so were the cameras. So not just a racist but a cowardly racist who realised he was going to get caught on live TV.
Yeah, a couple of years ago, there was a commotion about 4-5 rows behind me at OT.
Turned round, and two guys were lamping the life out of each other. Bloody faces etc.

Shocking really!
 

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Why are the stewards so idle? I know many stewards in a match game have less remit to take action but the ones in peak action areas must be of a certain ranking with a level of authority to do something.

I found it a bit odd to see them watch the fans make racist abuse, hurl objects and see no one get ejected from it. Is it that they only care if there's a pitch invasion? That's not their sole purpose in crowd control.
 

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How do you know he heard it? Ffs, he’s done nothing wrong at all.
Of course he has done nothing wrong but he should not have said anything regarding his personal feelings on how it should be dealt with as he is leaving himself open. In his next interview a jorno could simply ask him "Do you believe City should be docked 9 points?", if he says yes it puts him in a awkward position with his club, if he says no he looks like a hypocrite.
 

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You can't scream "you're shit, ahhh" at someone on the streets either. Or slide tackle from behind the person in front at the queue at the post office (as much as that would be awesome).

What happens at a football match seems to be outside the realm of what is acceptable in normal society.

You 100% totally, utterly can do that.
 

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Yeah true that's a bit less common, although weren't West Ham fans fighting each other at a stage last season? Or at least being violet towards their own board? No place for it.
They're claret, not violet.
 

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Even without the racism and the chucking stuff at players.

I've just never understood how people in the crowd can be frothing at the mouth and screaming abuse when opposition players go to take a corner or a throw in. They're like wild animals.

I know it's been a part of football for like 40 years or so but it's just never made sense to me. I can't ever imagine getting that wound up about a game of football.
 

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Apparently there was a fair bit of violence in the stadium with City fans fighting among each other as well. A poster on Bluemoon says his young son was hit in the head with a coin that left him bleeding. Not sure how common this is in other stadiums. Never seen fights among home fans in any game I've been too. That said, I'm an armchair fan these days.
Think you'll find he was implying it was Utd fans that threw it. It wouldn't surprise me; we're not perfect and we have some racist bellends following us too