CL 19/20 Group Stages: Week 6 (Last Round)

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I watched Borussia Dortmund - Slavia Prague 2-1. Very exciting game. And surprisingly very even. Up and down.
Slavia had more big chances, Borussia was more clinical.
Borussia has better players obviously, Slavia's manager must be a magician to make his team play like this.
MOTM: Burki (GK)
Other best players:
Borussia: Sancho (obviously), Brandt (AM): amazing passing and vision, Hakimi (RB/RW), Zagadou (CD)
Slavia (maybe the only top player but what a player): Soucek (DM): a machine, was everywhere.
Anyway, I'm glad Borussia skipped over Inter.
Slavia is a good side
 

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Just seen the miss from the Slavia Prague defender. Horrendous.
 

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The EL entrant list looks tasty - Inter, Ajax, Salzburg, one of Atletico/Leverkusen. Good for the competition.
 

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We never would've scored today. Could've had another half against 10 men and it wouldn't have changed anything. Same as against Willem, just with more intensity. Our team is absolutely toothless without Promes (or Neres at least). Don't even know what people see in Lang.
How is promes doing and what player would you compare him to in terms of play style? I wasn't happy about sevilla letting him go but apparently he wanted to join Ajax.
 

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The Ajax hype watch has finally come to an end. They ballsed up this group to Chelsea to be honest, twice.
No, that was the referees and the VAR. With the correct decisions Ajax would have had 15 points and Chelsea would have 5 less. Yesterday the referee wasn't helpful in a less ostentatious way, but he made sure there couldn't be much football in the last 20 minutes.

Ajax is back in the class where such a poor club belongs, and UEFA continues with it's plans to make the CL into a closed competition for the superrich clubs who will flaunt the stars they bought and keep a lot of them on the bench just because they can.
 

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No, that was the referees and the VAR. With the correct decisions Ajax would have had 15 points and Chelsea would have 5 less. Yesterday the referee wasn't helpful in a less ostentatious way, but he made sure there couldn't be much football in the last 20 minutes.

Ajax is back in the class where such a poor club belongs, and UEFA continues with it's plans to make the CL into a closed competition for the superrich clubs who will flaunt the stars they bought and keep a lot of them on the bench just because they can.
Bullshit. Unlucky referees decision may be true, but UEFA gains nothing by seeing Valencia or Lille advance instead of Ajax. If anything, everyone loved their deep CL run last season.
 

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Ajax is back in the class where such a poor club belongs, and UEFA continues with it's plans to make the CL into a closed competition for the superrich clubs who will flaunt the stars they bought and keep a lot of them on the bench just because they can.
What kind of twisted logic leads to these conspiracy theories? Everyone loves underdogs, tons of people (= consumers = $$$) followed Ajax' CL run with genuine interest. Stories like theirs keep the whole affair fresh.
But of course the corporate cabal pulled all their conspiritoral strings, to hold back Ajax and get superrich Valencia through to the knockout round.
 

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Bullshit. Unlucky referees decision may be true, but UEFA gains nothing by seeing Valencia or Lille advance instead of Ajax. If anything, everyone loved their deep CL run last season.
Everybody loves fair competition too, but the UEFA gives the rich clubs more money for the same performances and people think that's all right. Love isn't commercially relevant, it only has to be just interesting enough to have people watch the ads.

Ajax wasn't just unlucky, it was unique bad luck. The kind of bad luck that also happens when Barcelona or Real is in trouble. The VAR evidence of off side was even tampered with in the home game against Chelsea. They showed a different picture than the picture the decision was supposed to be based on.

What kind of twisted logic leads to these conspiracy theories? Everyone loves underdogs, tons of people (= consumers = $$$) followed Ajax' CL run with genuine interest. Stories like theirs keep the whole affair fresh.
So why is the UEFA working on plans to make the CL a closed competition for the richest clubs? Why has UEFA made it into a competion that favours the richest clubs for years?

But of course the corporate cabal pulled all their conspiritoral strings, to hold back Ajax and get superrich Valencia through to the knockout round.
I accept wrong decisions and the fact they can change games. I don't accept a string of unique mistakes that all happen against the same team as bad luck. That's not how luck works, especially not with VAR.

It it's just bad luck it will even out. So you will have many examples of Barcelona getting knocked out because of a referee's unique mistake.
 

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So why is the UEFA working on plans to make the CL a closed competition for the richest clubs? Why has UEFA made it into a competion that favours the richest clubs for years?
UEFA is/was actually trying to make their competition fairly inclusive, hence big clubs threatening to quit their competitions in order to establish said super league.


I accept wrong decisions and the fact they can change games. I don't accept a string of unique mistakes that all happen against the same team as bad luck. That's not how luck works, especially not with VAR.

It it's just bad luck it will even out. So you will have many examples of Barcelona getting knocked out because of a referee's unique mistake.
Obviously you don't, since some of those "unique mistakes" weren't even wrong calls.
 

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Just seen the miss from the Slavia Prague defender. Horrendous.
Dortmund has been extremly lucky. On the other side they got a lot of chances before and didn't score. But in the end of the day Bürki saved their life. Prag really gave all the other clubs tough matches in the group, respect.
 

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UEFA is/was actually trying to make their competition fairly inclusive, hence big clubs threatening to quit their competitions in order to establish said super league.
I never claimed that UEFA acts independently from the influence of the richest clubs. I don't claim it has nothing do with the Spanish influence on the refereeing matters either.

Obviously you don't, since some of those "unique mistakes" weren't even wrong calls.
No, if the VAR wasn't allowed to correct them doesn't make them into right calls. The rigth calls by the refs were changed by VAR and the wrong calls by the refs weren't. It's highly unlikely Chelsea would have gotten any point against Ajax if all calls were right, Ajax was screwed for 5 points there.
 

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UEFA is/was actually trying to make their competition fairly inclusive, hence big clubs threatening to quit their competitions in order to establish said super league.
What do you mean here? Last change I remember they made was giving half the places to the top four associations.
 

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Also, sign my petition for seedless random draws in the Champions League without country or political restrictions.

It will be great!
 

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What do you mean here? Last change I remember they made was giving half the places to the top four associations.
A while back they split the draw for the CL qualification into a champion's and a challenger's path. Meaning teams which got there by winning their respective league would only face each other, ensuring that x amount of teams from small nations would make it through each year.
The latest changes with 4 guaranteed group stage spots were already a product of super league threats afaik.
 

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How is promes doing and what player would you compare him to in terms of play style? I wasn't happy about sevilla letting him go but apparently he wanted to join Ajax.
He's done really well imo. He's not as creative as the other attackers we have and not as flashy either but his smart runs/positioning and good finishing offer something the other players lack a bit. He's mostly a goalscorer for us (though I wouldn't call him a poacher).
 

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Disappointed that we're not starting Moonchester for a laugh.
 

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Shakhtar VS Atalanta might be interesting.
No Zapata, but Atalanta got 17-year-old left-footed right-winger Amed Traore on the bench (younger brother of Hamed Junior Traore, 19, who plays regularly for Sassuolo in Serie A). Seems to be a promising player with quick reactions and good technical ability. Already scored in Serie A this season.

Shakhtar got some Brazilians, with 19-year-old winger Tete as the one that might warrant some interest.
 

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What do you mean here? Last change I remember they made was giving half the places to the top four associations.
Football is not a sport. it is a show and a business. "fair play", "sportmanship", "corectness" are just part of the business bs language. None has any meaning.
There are unlimited number of foreign players, all there for the money. If a mega rich prince/corporation wants to create a top club he can do it anywhere, but since it is a business he will create it to atract as many 'supporters' for the club.
 

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Anything worth watching tonight?
You could watch our 17 year-old striker, Troy Parrott, single-handedly put Bayern Munich to the sword in their own stadium :wenger:
 

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Dirty from City there, playing on and scoring with a player down injured.
 

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Atalanta started well, missed a couple big chances early on, but since then it's been all shakhtar

They really struggle with the pace and technical quality of their brazilians
 

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Zagreb players are clearly feeling the irritation. They feel they are getting hard done here.