Labour's lost Leigh, which had been a 50/50 tossup on the BBC exit poll.
UK General Election - 12th December 2019 | Con 365, Lab 203, LD 11, SNP 48, Other 23 - Tory Majority of 80
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I mean there’s a lot of people arguing otherwise but as long as you understand them then I’m sure that qualifies their coherence.
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Fair enough mate. We are fundamentally on the same side after all.
But you can see why I'm somewhat perplexed by it though. Perhaps my bigger post above explains my position a bit better (or muddies it further knowing me!)
Wrexham conservative, huge drop off of Labour votes.
It's a heavy leave area of 59%.
In 2017 Labour/Corbyn/McDonnell were about honouring the 2016 ref and ending FoM. Putting remain on a vote in your 2019 campaign has sunk it. Leavers don't want to see that put back on the table.
It's a heavy leave area of 59%.
In 2017 Labour/Corbyn/McDonnell were about honouring the 2016 ref and ending FoM. Putting remain on a vote in your 2019 campaign has sunk it. Leavers don't want to see that put back on the table.
Maybe, but there were several different iterations of leave so it makes more sense to show people what it would actually be like. I agree though there were people who wouldn't want to take the risk.
I think there were problems with Corbyn but also Labour were screwed on brexit anyway.
The tactical ploy by the Brexit party to stand down in a lot of seats won't have helped either.
Low turnout, ok in remain areas, devastated in leave.
For Labour to win in 2024, not just Corbyn but the left (Momentum) I think needs to get out for at least 5 years. A left platform will not be accepted by voters, something has chnged in 19 compared to 17. The centrists have a voting base to build from (young + professionals) and probably worse conditions in 5 years after the promised Brexit.
For Labour to win in 2024, not just Corbyn but the left (Momentum) I think needs to get out for at least 5 years. A left platform will not be accepted by voters, something has chnged in 19 compared to 17. The centrists have a voting base to build from (young + professionals) and probably worse conditions in 5 years after the promised Brexit.
This deserves a proper response tomorrow when I've had a few hours sleep.Good post. Now do me a favour and try to see what I'm saying, if I can word it right that is
I'm not advocating for a return to new labour and all that, you guys just assume that's the go to because it's all left and right. That's literally all you lot care about right now, and that's not without reason.
However, regardless of brexit, Labour is split and Corbyn has failed to hold them together. Ed failed too. How much longer do you allow these failures before change is needed? You are we shouldn't lost what Corbyn has built, but we kind of have tonight no? This is an absolute humiliation. I said the other day we need a stronger speaker who can convey his core beliefs better, people kept saying we shouldn't have to have that, I said tonight that they should consider looking to move in slightly if only to claw back the floaters, I have been told if the right won't move why should we? (And also that I should vote Tory). There basically seems no ideas or desire to even contemplating thought on anything, and when suggested we do, you guys instantly go to worst case scenario as if I'm suggesting you give up all you believe just because I'm telling you, and I am telling you, that this will keep happening over and fecking over until Labour get their act together.
What gets me is you keep saying the centre is dead, but what about all those floating voters. Of which I'm one? I'm not a true centrist at all, but I'm also not represented. It's flat out wrong to suggest everyone is now left or right and that's it, it's doing exactly what Labour have clearly done all through this campaign, completely missread the situation.
We need to stop these excuses, pick ourselves up and the Labour party need to find some way to pull itself together behind a real leader. And for god's sake, stop ignoring everyone and everything else and step outside the bubble and realise there's a lot more to this than brexit.
If I'm wrong to think all that, so be it. But at the end of the day, we keep losing and now extremely badly. I can't see how staying exactly as we are is going to change anything. Not in today's climate that's for sure.
For now, if you will indulge me, do you mind if I ask what your parliamentary seat is?
The reason I ask is that whilst I would of course love to persuade you and all other centre-left/liberal voters to join the green industrial revolution, to me it looks like Labour's more prescient problem in this election is winning votes from areas that have been devastated by Thatcherism and austerity and have feel ignored and taken for granted by New Labour.
Congratulations. Now get Brexit done.
On the subject of killing thousands of people, I am anti-war. Are you?
If the Brexit Party hadn’t stood at all, the majority would be even more. As bizarre as it seems, Labour are holding seats due to the Brexit Party.
Link?
You are a terrible person.
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STOCKTON NORTH
Lab Hold
VALE OF GLAMORGAN
Con Hold - Majority 3562
Con 27305
Lab 23743
Grn 3251
Gwlad 508
Lab Hold
VALE OF GLAMORGAN
Con Hold - Majority 3562
Con 27305
Lab 23743
Grn 3251
Gwlad 508
Clwyd South... Tory gain from Labour.
Sorry guys, we are, in fact, living in a country of xenophobic racists. Not only that, they appear to be predominantly traditional Labour voters.
Bang goes my plan of retiring to the South of France
Bang goes my plan of retiring to the South of France
I think the party needs a night watchman while they groom the next leader for the next election. There’s no point in installing the next leader now and giving the Tories a 5 year at turning them into a boogey(wo)man
I am analysing the situation - look at the figures. These are facts.
Depends on the war. Being completely anti-war can kill thousands or millions of people too.
Come up to Scotland before it’s too late.Sorry guys, we are, in fact, living in a country of xenophobic racists. Not only that, they appear to be predominantly traditional Labour voters.
Bang goes my plan of retiring to the South of France
And you chose to vote to feck the poor.
Isn't a lot of the shift from Labour to Brexit though? Not sure those people would have voted Tory, otherwise they probably just would have.
The wanker is correct for once.
He's rich and protecting his property. It's fair, selfish and perhaps short sighted but fair. Working class in the North and in Wales... dear god.
The only hope we have is that, with a significant majority, despite what you think, Johnson has a Liberal outlook and will expunge the far right elements in a cabinet reshuffle.
A strong conservative one with virtually zero chance of change. Which is why I was so proactive in trying to convince people to try.
But I am always open to listening about other ideas, after all I am open to all parties going into election campaigns. Which is why, despite some of my earlier posts talking about it, I'm not a centrist to my mind. Not in terms of being on the fence and in between ideas anyway. My thoughts have been more about getting Labour in to power first, then worrying about ideals and all that. After all, it may be blunt, but to get any change they have to get in first. Whatever that takes.
Anyway, I look forward to your response in the morning my friend.
Jess Phillips is fecking brilliant.
that's what i'm hoping for as well
Small victory I suppose
That was quite fun between Farage and Bercow
Yup
I work for the NHS. This shit ain't fair.
On the contrary I actually don't think the EU will oppose freedom of movement from the UK into the EU.Sorry guys, we are, in fact, living in a country of xenophobic racists. Not only that, they appear to be predominantly traditional Labour voters.
Bang goes my plan of retiring to the South of France
If anything I’m going to make a prediction that there will be outrage when the Tories try to get the EU to pledge not to make it easy for British Citizens to move to EU countries.
If Richard Tice had stepped down then the Conservatives would’ve taken Hartlepool.
Mike Hill is re-elected with a reduced majority of 3,595.
But the story is the split between the Tories (11,869) and the Brexit Party (10,603)
But the story is the split between the Tories (11,869) and the Brexit Party (10,603)
That was my point exactly. New guy is American
Too right. Gotta be bin it to win it
Brexit Party have helped Labour a few seats
Campbell talking a lot of sense. If you just abuse anyone you disagree with and tell them to feck off and vote tory, they might you know, vote tory.
Blackpool South- for Tories
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