Did you forget about Rio, Vidic, Rooney, RVP etc in that list? Top managers get the best out of players yes, but they don’t turn Lingard into Mane.
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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Can a top manager win the league with Brighton?
How is it? Do you think SAF would have this squad challenging for the title? He got beaten to a title with Mancini with a far far better team than what we have now. Why? Better players.
SAF was the best manager in history. He also had brilliant players, when he didn't we didn't win stuff.
Yes but even decent manager will try to find another way.
1) buy no10 in last transfer window
2) try another player on no10
3) change formation
With Ole and Lingard it is like Lingard is Messi so Ole is waiting for him to find a form
'We have seen Leicester getting a win so it is possible. Although they may need to bring some players in.
Does it depress you that the players themselves go out of their way to back the manager and express belief in both him and whats happening at the club? We just come off three strong wins to draw a game we really should have won by chance generated, and conceded 1 goal by a freak own goal. And this i your reaction.
Please, I want to know what you would have done differently to secure todays victory, Ancdycoleno9, manager of Manchester United. Give us a rundown of your man management of this game, and why it would have yielded a better result.
Again, shit recruitment. I’m sure Solskjaer asked for more than three players but that’s all he got. There was lots of talk of “you can’t buy 7 players in one window” so that shows you what the management team were wanting from the second they took charge.
Woodward pretty much confirmed this recently when he said it’s almost impossible to sign more than three players with any sort of quality in one window.
Kinda like Manchester United does?
We started well and had a good opening 10 minutes. Then we allowed the game to drift and Everton grew in confidence. This is where Ole should’ve spotted it and been on the sidelines but he spent most of the time in his seat.
Try to find another way? The alternatives are Mata and Perreira. Lingard is the best of a bad bunch until we get a suitable replacement.
Just a hunch.
Or Poch. Or Pep. Or Klopp. Or Conte. Or Mourinho. People make excuses for any manager, at any time. Several of these have had fans on here running interference for them despite them managing rivals. So let's not make this out to be some unique trait of those who still believe in Ole.
A top manager can surely win against everton at home.
We of all fans should know better the effect of a great manager in the dugout
We're currently 6th and i predicted 6th pre season based on the quality of the squad. Where did you expect us to finish pre season?
But yet two forum favourites Rodgers and Lampard couldn't win at home yesterday against Norwich and Bournemouth. Leicester also needed a last minute VAR call to beat Everton themselves last week.
This happens in so many of our games. We start well, create a few opening, but if we don't take them its like well shit what do we do now? and we suddenly look clueless and totally unsure what to do next, opposition come back into it and more often than not score with their first real attack. Rinse and repeat.
Overall they win more.
Saf has hiw own embarassing defeats, most managers has their own collections. That's why you're judged on 38 games, not 1 odd games.
The table doesnt lie, we're midtable
Why does it matter that Rodgers dropped points yesterday? They're 14 points ahead of us, evidently a better coached team than we are.
I've seen this team play draw against giants like West Bromwich Birmingham Sunderland Reading Middlesbrough and others during the reign of Sir Alex. Hell, he even lost BOTH games against West Ham one season.
Manchester United lost 6 - 1 to Manchester City in 2011.
My point with this is that cherrypicking singular results is easy. All managers lose games and draw games against lesser opposition. It is not a good argument for anything.
Was Ole not a great manager in the dugout 2 weeks ago when we disassembled the reigning Premier League champions at their own home ground? Or is it just Ole bad when we don't win, and players good when we win?
Oh boy, i love absurd arguments in debate. Then lets shut down this forum.
My reaction is that after 12 months our general game is still non existent( except counter attack plan).
This is a worry. Ole spent a huge sum on the defence yet were extremely shakey defensively.
I was just wondering if you had any actual input other than complaining.
Hm, changing a formation is not an option for you? 4231 or die?
The club and Ole did say 4th was the target at the start of the season. Actually we're not that far away at the moment which is the bizarre thing about this season in which there's been so many miserable points and yet... we're pretty close to top 4, past the EL group stage and still in the league cup. Spurs play Chelsea next week too.
It'd be interested to know what fans would view as a successful season at this point given that we're almost at the half way stage? Part of me says Top 4 or an EL win should be what this club should aim for at this stage, particularly if we can add squad depth in January. Another part of me says it's unrealistic.
If you're Ole in what is the minimum requirement for the rest of the season? If you're Ole out then is it really worth changing the manager at this stage? I changed my vote to Ole out after the Newcastle away game but i'm leaning more towards just assessing at the end of the season.
About Ole no. I wish i can have anything positive about him but...no.
We are 24 points behind Liverpool and it's December. We've dropped points to:
Newcastle
West Ham
Palace
Bournemouth
Everton
Sheffield
Villa
Wolves
Southampton
Norwich
Brighton
This isn't cherry-picking data, it's the reality of the current season. Time to you leave your blind faith for Ole at the door and face reality.
You're right, but don't all great defences also require a Keane, Kante, Fernandinho type figure in front of them?
We're 6th, i didn't expect any higher from this squad pre season. And if you had told me Pogba was would be missing for nearly all of it i would have said closer to mid table, you are right, the table doesn't lie.
Where did you expect us to finish?
Marcus Rashford has already matched his all time season best output, less than halfway into the season. Ole is in charge of his overall development. Anything positive to say there?
We just battered Tottenham and Manchester City, and went away with a comfortable 4-0 home win with our B team against a good international side. Anything positive to take from that?
There are numerous examples of the players going out of their way when they don't have to, to back the manager and praise his man management in particular. Anything positive to gleam from that?
Do you know what exactly it is Ole is trying to do with his time in the club?
A strong as well organised one (not quite great) should be able to do with both Fred and Mctominay covering for it.
Problem Ole has is it’s not an odd loss or draw against these type of teams, it’s an odd win. The stand out results in our season are the Norwich and Brighton because only times we’ve beaten weak teams in the league.
He wasn’t a great manager two weeks ago, he has two great results. To be a great manager he has to produce regularly which he isn’t doing yet.
At this point i'd say finishing 6th and getting to a Europa League semi would be par for this team. Anything above that i would exceed my expectations. It's not 'successful' but that's just the level we're at unfortunately.
I'm curious, why did you knowingly include Norwich and Brighton in that list? But left out Liverpool and Arsenal?
a couple of wins to be accurate.I agree
A few wins and all of a sudden we're back!
The overreaction in this thread is ridiculous. We dominated the game from start to finish and the match statistics back that up:
Possession: United 67% - Everton 33%
Shots: United 24 - Everton 8
Shots on Target: United 8 - Everton 3
We more than deserved to win the game, but it didn't work out that way for several reasons, mostly the poor finishing/wayward shooting of our frontmen.
But that's football sometimes, you don't always get what you deserve.
Possession: United 67% - Everton 33%
Shots: United 24 - Everton 8
Shots on Target: United 8 - Everton 3
We more than deserved to win the game, but it didn't work out that way for several reasons, mostly the poor finishing/wayward shooting of our frontmen.
But that's football sometimes, you don't always get what you deserve.
Despite the stats suggesting we should've scored more, I can't recall one opportunity that was clear cut. In the first few mins, Rashford and James both had decent opportunities, but that was about it. The majority of our shots were hit and hope long shots.
Absolutely agree there
Fickle bunch of keyboard warriors are always out in full force at any slip up. This season is gonna be full of ups and downs and we are still stuck with lingard while we wait for pogba to provide us with a creative outlet.
Let's have some patience and perspective before we start jumping on the poch bandwagon again.
Don't let the stats fool you, we could had played another 90 minutes and still wouldnt had scored.
We lack creativity and a proper system, we play as an improvised team on attack.
We lack creativity and a proper system, we play as an improvised team on attack.
We didn't create many clear-cut opportunities, I agree, but that's quite often the case when you're faced with a team that throws 11 men behind the ball. That said, we had a fair few decent chances that you would hope to see converted more often than not. But that wasn't the problem today. For me, it was the sheer number of efforts we took from the 18-yard line today that were tamely struck or ended in row Z. That's not on Ole or the coaching staff, that's just a young striker having a bad day at the office.
We win that game by a large margin on another day.
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