You don’t need to be a striker to chip in with a few goals, to be the worlds most expensive midfielder and not score for a year is shite.
Is Pogba as good as gone?
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He's been injured for half the year
Allegedly
Anyway, his “team” have realised the club are holding him to his contract, so he is not enhancing his reputation by not knuckling down, as I’m sure he will. For how long is the question.
Which time? We've beaten them 3 times in 2019.There was a thread after we beat Chelsea
I'm guessing the February one. 2 months into the year when he was playing fantastically well under the suggestion that if he keeps it up for the rest of the year he'd have a claim. Which would be a fair but obviously hypothetical comment. Is that what you are talking about?
Yet another reason to get rid, so your ok that the most expensive attacking midfielder in history hasn’t scored from open play for nearly a year albeit with the strangest ankle injury in history? Do you remember him posting nearly back in Dubai about 2 months ago?
He’s not a fecking keeper, either. He should be worth at least a dozen goals per season.
Good to see him back after realising meetings with Zidane, brother and agent making announcements of impending move to Madrid are not working. Club standing firm. let’s hope he’s back to his best. He’ll need to give a good impression between now and summer to convince Madrid that he’s worth the trouble.
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Opening game when he created the last 2 goals after Chelsea had given up. Not t created shit since then “or pogbaistas will blame the forwards”
It’s also hard to score over the 3 month off season, and 3 months injured, feck off about ‘a year’.
And I repeat, he was the fecking top scorer, yet you come out with shite like ‘you don’t have to be a striker to chip in with a few goals’. You’re obsessive and clutching at anything.
Well he scored 16 so what the hell are you on about? Are you mad that he hasn’t been scoring from the treatment table in recent months? Will you just keep shifting your moaning from point to point hoping that one sticks?
You seem to know an awful lot about the goings on at United.
Naturally
Pretty good for a world class player.
Will you be getting a new poster of him in RM kit for your bedroom?
This kind of stuff doesn't make sense to me. So some poster overpraised him. I'll take your word that the thread exists.
That's hardly been the prevailing narrative has it. The truth is he has neither been amazing or terrible. He's been good enough to be one of our 3 best players over the time he's been here but talented enough to be the best.
He's clearly quite productive for a CM in a side that hasn't been great also. He has 49 goals/assists in 97 league games for United. I find it very odd that you are picking on his productivity. I could understand if you were arguing with his defending at corners or something like that. But he definitely scores/creates plenty for a midfielder.
This is all completely true. Nobody remembers the contribution in games he made before Ole last season, they only remember the few poor games he had returning from injury culminating in the trouble with Mourinho. Even now, the narrative is on his 'poor form this season', even though he had created the same amount of chances as the rest combined, in less mins, deep in midfield.
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This is a perfect example of the type of emotive responses people have to Pogba. The guy makes an accurate point. He was our top scorer last season. He's been injured for the last 3 months. Pointing that out seemingly means the poster supports the player more than the club and would buy a Real Madrid kit if he moved there.
The seems a bit of a strange accusation considering the guy merely stated a fact.
Majority of his goals come from the penno spot which he’s missed as nearly as many so he’s actually about break even at best yet thinks he’s doing us a favour. He can ping a ball when the pressure is off though.
He did play for France in the summer also.
Pogba is our best player, just because we've had some decent results without him in the team doesn't change that fact. If he's fit, it's likely we would have picked up wins in the Everton, Villa, Sheffield type of games. That's where we miss him.
Maybe he wants to leave, maybe he doesn't. To be honest could you blame him if he did? It's frustrating as a fan but no top footballer wants to spend their career in a team fighting for CL qualification, and not the trophy itself.
Let's judge him when he's back on the pitch, judge his performances and ignore all the other nonsense.
Maybe he wants to leave, maybe he doesn't. To be honest could you blame him if he did? It's frustrating as a fan but no top footballer wants to spend their career in a team fighting for CL qualification, and not the trophy itself.
Let's judge him when he's back on the pitch, judge his performances and ignore all the other nonsense.
More projection. There's been no evidence of that.
Extremely positive news and will hopefully shut the tabloids up asking ever press conference. I for one am excited to get him back in the team and feel he is going to excel. Other than De Bruyne, and even then it's debatabley still Paul, there isn't another player in world football I would would rather have recieving the ball in our half to start a counter attack off. Can pick the pass and also drove himself and the ball forward, giving us an extra man on counter but also giving Tony, James and Rashford more time to find the space.
Also worth noting, we'll find it a hell of a lot easier to break teams down with Pogba back in the middle. For someone so tall, he just seems to float past players around the box sometimes. Imagine how man more penalties we would have had.
Also worth noting, we'll find it a hell of a lot easier to break teams down with Pogba back in the middle. For someone so tall, he just seems to float past players around the box sometimes. Imagine how man more penalties we would have had.
His brother, his agent and I’ll guarantee in 10 years time a lot of shit will come out about his period at United that will make pogbaistas ashamed.
Absolutely adore a frothing at the mouth Pogba hater, always the same types of characters.
"pogbaistas" how do you not feel embarrassed typing that so often? Just typing it once made me feel like the biggest idiot on the planet.
"pogbaistas" how do you not feel embarrassed typing that so often? Just typing it once made me feel like the biggest idiot on the planet.
What's a pogbaista? Did you make up a word just for the sake of these rants?
That picture is absurd really. No-one can argue objectively that he wasn't our highest performer last season individually.
As a CM, more goals than our strikers, most assists, chances created, most duels won etc. But what did we achieve at the end of the season? Nothing.
It goes to show. A player can be performing consistently well individually, but if the majority of the team is not, they're not going to be making as much of an impact overall. Football is a team game, played with 11 players. I think people lose focus on this simple fact a lot when discussing his performances here so far.
4 goals from open play, missed 4 penalties
That picture is absurd really. No-one can argue objectively that he wasn't our highest performer last season individually.
As a CM, more goals than our strikers, most assists, chances created, most duels won etc. But what did we achieve at the end of the season? Nothing.
It goes to show. A player can be performing consistently well individually, but if the majority of the team is not, they're not going to be making as much of an impact overall. Football is a team game, played with 11 players. I think people lose focus on this simple fact a lot when discussing his performances here so far.
I said objectively. I can see how that wouldn't register to you though.
Anyone that harps on about 13 goals isn’t being objective.
also looking forward to having him back in the team. No questioning his ability, just his motives.Extremely positive news and will hopefully shut the tabloids up asking ever press conference. I for one am excited to get him back in the team and feel he is going to excel. Other than De Bruyne, and even then it's debatabley still Paul, there isn't another player in world football I would would rather have recieving the ball in our half to start a counter attack off. Can pick the pass and also drove himself and the ball forward, giving us an extra man on counter but also giving Tony, James and Rashford more time to find the space.
Also worth noting, we'll find it a hell of a lot easier to break teams down with Pogba back in the middle. For someone so tall, he just seems to float past players around the box sometimes. Imagine how man more penalties we would have had.
DDG has pretty decent save stats, too. Best on the team, I believe. You would expect an attacking mf to have decent assist and goals stats, albeit helped by pens he actually scored. Those stats ignore the amount of times he has given the ball away, or merely stood ball-watching, leading to a goal conceded. Or how many times that extra pirouette has led to the chance of an assist lost as he loses his team’s possession again. I would love to see a focussed, settled Pogba back. Can’t say I’m confident and would be more than happy to say I misjudged his motives, even though that won’t change history.
He'll probably stay.
Real won't pay what we'd ask for and they don't really need him.
Juventus won't pay either.
He'll get a new contract and assurances, and maybe we'll get back to challenging for titles again.
Real won't pay what we'd ask for and they don't really need him.
Juventus won't pay either.
He'll get a new contract and assurances, and maybe we'll get back to challenging for titles again.
Riola is just playing the game. He needs to build up Pogba's value both for the transfer fees (and inevitably his cut) plus Pogba's salary.
Not playing for the past four months doesn't help any party other than the potential interested party ie RM -- and even then it maybe seen as a risk for the price United is asking.
Not playing for the past four months doesn't help any party other than the potential interested party ie RM -- and even then it maybe seen as a risk for the price United is asking.
If he is motivated and want to stay, then of course we should keep him, I mean, who wouldn't?
De Gea
AWB Lindelof Maguire Shaw
Mctominay Fred
James Pogba Rashford
Martial
This is a proper top 4 team. Why not? No matter who we buy for no.10 in summer, he wouldn't be better than Pogba, that's for sure.AWB Lindelof Maguire Shaw
Mctominay Fred
James Pogba Rashford
Martial
Yea right
He had the most productive season of his career, helped extend the reign of a manager he had fallen out with with his play a few times and was voted into the PL team of the year by his fellow players yet ended the season with him getting verbally abused off the OT pitch
Seems there's not much he can do keep from being scapegoated in the eyes of many, the vitriol some have for him comes off as more personal than anything quite often
I don't understand why you feel the need to defend him. He's a football player, the talking should be on the pitch.
He was signed for a world record fee, and with much hype. Until he lives up to his price tag and reputation disappointment from the fans is not only understandable but warranted. The bar is set higher for him, and rightly so.
It's not about people waiting for him to have two poor games so they can jump on his back. It's about having a run of 8 games of very good/excellent form, before he has an off game. Lord knows he's capable of it talent wise.
But here you are defending him like he has nothing to prove to anyone, and fans are spoilt, because how dare anyone criticize Pogba, or worse expect him to perform consistently.
Haaland
Rashford Pogba James
Fred McSauce
Shaw Lindelof Harry AWB
De Gea
And He will thrive. Get it done Woody.Rashford Pogba James
Fred McSauce
Shaw Lindelof Harry AWB
De Gea
I really wouldn't mind pulling a Rooney with his contract. The Rooney situation didn't turn out so well for us, but Pogba's a WC midfielder about to enter his prime and him staying means that's one less player we'd have to gamble on in the transfer market. Even if we pay him 400k p/w for the next 5 years and promise him that he'll be the highest paid player in the club, it'd be worth it over 5 years (=~ 100M, where as a new player would cost that just in the transfer fee and come with no guarantees).
I really do like the direction this team is taking, even if things look a bit dreary in the ultra short term - young players with a lot of scope for growth (Rashford, James, Martial, McT, AwB), performing and improving every week coupled with solid pros like Maguire, Pogba etc. Keeping Pogba and adding some competition / depth in the ranks through players like Haaland and having the team grow naturally for a couple of years would bring us back to challenging again.
The key is stability - the most recent example we have is Fred - for a year, he looked like a nothing player, a total waste of money. Back him and play him consistently for half a season and you can atleast begin to see why we paid 50M for him. Remains to be seen if the board / Woody can be patient with Ole.
The criticism is irrational. What else can you say when people are making up conspiracy theories on whether his injury is real or not?
And Pogba doesn't need to be judged to a higher standard when we're discussing who should be at United or not. Go ahead and use a different standard when discussing whether he had a good season or not based on his standards. When you use that higher standard to suggest he needs to leave, then it's just absurd.
Imagine if Messi scored 35 goals. That would be a sub par season for Messi standards. Would anyone suggest he needs to leave when he'll outscore 95% of strikers? No. That's absurd. When discussing who needs to leave, everyone should be judged at the same standard. The squad improves by raising the standard. You don't improve the squad by a lot by simply replacing the better players.
Same like Lukaku mentality. Want to be a biggest star but hard to accept critics, respond critics in negative way.
Only thing that can be argued is consistency with which he controls/dominates games. While states suggest he’s scoring or assisting 1 in every 2, somethings are judged by eye not stats. Like the fact that he’s by far our most gifted player, only Martial, Rashford, De Gea, Maguire, AWB deserve to play in the same team as him.
Yeah that's fair. I think a 2 man midfield with Pogba doesn't control a game of football. His positioning isn't good enough when he doesn't have the ball and he can lose the ball in bad areas. You're in danger of being played through with him as the holding midfielder.
Pogba will always be the best in a 3 where the other two provide defensive solidity and tempo. Once that's in place he can make the difference going forward.
So what ? Nobody expects him to score from CM when there are plenty of other players to do that