Is Pogba as good as gone?

[JPRouve]

That's one way of spinning it. The other is they don't need him any more with Valverde and Modric seeing them through to summer, when Odegaard will return.

And Pogba isn't the type of player that they needed in the first place, I'm still surprised that they didn't try to push hard for someone like Kanté. But now with Valverde they may not be desperate for that type of box to box, the issue for Madrid was their lack of athleticism and aggression in midfield.

 

[clarkydaz]

I think that it's an overstatement, people were upset in the heat of the moment which is understandable but I don't think that it has ever turned into hatred at the exception of a small minority. And again the difference is that here we have people actually making things up about the person and his moral integrity, I don't think that it's racism because I see the same thing with Shaw on this forum.

And if I'm not mistaken the three players that you mentioned played during Rooney's testimonial.

yes there will be a small minority who don't like the guy irrationally unfortunately. Most feel I think and are fed up with the soap opera around him. I actually blame the club and not Pogba in this, he has every right to prefer elsewhere and it shows how weak and desperate we are now

Those players I mentioned all had unfair abuse from the fanbase. Fellaini especially. Silly haircut? sounds familiar. Cleverley released his TC23 brand on the back of achieving nothing and that didn't go down well. Sounds familiar.

 

[Josep Dowling]

In terms of negativity, my observation is that their poorer performances overshadow their good ones the most. There is always a lingering distrust towards them, and the shortest string.

Mainly though, the criticism is often personal. The recurring theme of attitude and commitment always comes up with them, which is quietened with some good performances, but reoccurs if it doesn’t go well. Fred was lambasted for getting married in the summer, but there seems so little will to defend him, understand him - there was a unanimous throwing away of the player, the person etc. With Martial, it’s similar, injuries are questioned with raised eyebrows, a few bad games and half the forum have ‘had enough’ and he should leave the next summer. A week after the winner in the derby he was back to being the enemy again.

With Pogba, there isn’t even much to be said there. He was announced injured and a thread was created suggesting it was made up and he’d agreed a move to Real in January ffs. Any bad performance lingers and lingers, and there has been a sentiment of distrust since before the deal for his return was even done.

I don’t see the general ‘one of us’ treatment of them the way I see some other players. They are often spoken about as if they are here under duress, poor performances are because they care less about the club than other players, and will be good riddance when gone. Of course, when they produce their genius, we love them again for 5 minutes, but generally, I don’t get the impression that they are seen as ‘family’. More to be tolerated on the condition they are brilliant weekly, and as soon as they are not, it’s like a latent vitriol comes straight back to the surface. On the basis that I can guarantee that Pogba, Martial and Fred will continue to have some dodgy performances, I don’t see this changing much. Some people may say it’s the money they cost. Perhaps. I think Paul Pogba at least, due to the fact he’s an FA Youth Cup winner here and has spent most of his adult life in Manchester as a red would by now be taken in as ‘one of ours’, but he’s seemingly always one bad performance away from excommunication.

Pogba has made his bed. Only this week has was ‘ill’ yet happy to post himself dancing at his brothers wedding for hours on end. If he’s genuinely ill maybe avoid posting your entire life on social media like normal people do. He’s know the shit storm it was create.

We bought him for a world record fee and he simply hasn’t performed to that level. Don’t care what anyone says. I think he’s a good player but in a midfield two his can’t be relied on defensively. In a midfield 3 ‘he has to play on the left’ is the usual excuse. The simple truth is he’s an overhyped footballer that we paid too much for. I would much rather try to sell him for over £100m and get players in with the right attitude and work ethic.

He will never be one of our own. He gave Fergie the finger and went to Juventus, regardless of what he said about game time he did it for money. We then paid £90m to get him back here. £90m wasted in my view.

 

[JPRouve]

yes there will be a small minority who don't like the guy irrationally unfortunately. Most feel I think and are fed up with the soap opera around him. I actually blame the club and not Pogba in this, he has every right to prefer elsewhere and it shows how weak and desperate we are now

Those players I mentioned all had unfair abuse from the fanbase. Fellaini especially. Silly haircut? sounds familiar. Cleverley released his TC23 brand on the back of achieving nothing and that didn't go down well. Sounds familiar.

Unless I missed something you said that these players declined Rooney's testimonial, you didn't use them as example of players that have been treated badly by the fanbase. And I never suggested that Pogba was the only player hated by a portion of "fans", I said that it was different to Rooney, for me Shaw is closer to Pogba.

And there is no particular soap opera around him, the press creates most of that nonsense out of nothing. As I said in his thread, the last article from L'Equipe for example was pure speculation based on guesswork and inaccurate informations but twitter still took it as some sort of news when it was an opinion piece. That's the issue with players like Pogba because he is more recognizable than your average player, journalists create a lot of lucrative material about him and almost all of it is unsubstantiated opinions which is fine but it should never be used against the player whoever he is.

 

[fergiesarmy1]

you happily throw around homophobic slurs about him though.

?

 

[fergiesarmy1]

Maybe because fans show him extreme hate.... because he’s black.

When’s the last time we’ve hated our best players for reasons such as dancing? Being injured and getting a hair cut?

I hate him for many reasons but none because is he black full stop.

 

[Catt]

I hate him for many reasons but none because is he black full stop.

Why do you hate him though? I don't get this.

 

[cyberman]

That's one way of spinning it. The other is they don't need him any more with Valverde and Modric seeing them through to summer, when Odegaard will return.

They went for Pogba when they had the best midfield in Europe. Leaking ths story a day after Raiola is laughable.
He was nailed in to leave a week ago, never play for Utd again etc. Valverde must have had a great week of form..

 

[Judas]

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Since when did Manchester United operate to suit a ponce of a player, I want this virus out of the club and erased from its proud history. He is a disgrace.

 

[Rozay]

Pogba has made his bed. Only this week has was ‘ill’ yet happy to post himself dancing at his brothers wedding for hours on end. If he’s genuinely ill maybe avoid posting your entire life on social media like normal people do. He’s know the shit storm it was create.

We bought him for a world record fee and he simply hasn’t performed to that level. Don’t care what anyone says. I think he’s a good player but in a midfield two his can’t be relied on defensively. In a midfield 3 ‘he has to play on the left’ is the usual excuse. The simple truth is he’s an overhyped footballer that we paid too much for. I would much rather try to sell him for over £100m and get players in with the right attitude and work ethic.

He will never be one of our own. He gave Fergie the finger and went to Juventus, regardless of what he said about game time he did it for money. We then paid £90m to get him back here. £90m wasted in my view.

He was ill, not ‘ill’.

God forbid a man posts his brother’s wedding. It creates a ‘shit storm’ for frothing-at-the-mouth angry men like you who lie in wait of new material to be outraged about.

 

[laughtersassassin]

Pogba has made his bed. Only this week has was ‘ill’ yet happy to post himself dancing at his brothers wedding for hours on end. If he’s genuinely ill maybe avoid posting your entire life on social media like normal people do. He’s know the shit storm it was create.

We bought him for a world record fee and he simply hasn’t performed to that level. Don’t care what anyone says. I think he’s a good player but in a midfield two his can’t be relied on defensively. In a midfield 3 ‘he has to play on the left’ is the usual excuse. The simple truth is he’s an overhyped footballer that we paid too much for. I would much rather try to sell him for over £100m and get players in with the right attitude and work ethic.

He will never be one of our own. He gave Fergie the finger and went to Juventus, regardless of what he said about game time he did it for money. We then paid £90m to get him back here. £90m wasted in my view.

Jesus "fans" like you are mental mate. He left us for money? He done the exact same as Sancho. So did Sancho leave City for money????


I'm guessing somehow you will say it's different. Mad as a hatter. Always a way to twist the story.

Also he was "I'll" after his brothers wedding. So unless he is clairvoyant he can't go back and not post the video. Just give over you expect him to not go to weddings or something? You expect him not to ever get the flu? He missed 2 days training. Like who cares he travelled for today's game. Ole likes him and says he is a model professional just like every manager of his has always said. The only one not too is Jose and you'd be lying even more if you said he hasn't alienated and scapegoated other players to protect himself.

 

[Josep Dowling]

He was ill, not ‘ill’.

God forbid a man posts his brother’s wedding. It creates a ‘shit storm’ for frothing-at-the-mouth angry men like you who lie in wait of new material to be outraged about.

Yes I’m sat there waiting for his next post on Instagram. He’s one of the few United players I don’t follow because I think he’s a bit of a tit.

 

[Irrational.]

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Now the Raiola comments make sense.

 

[laughtersassassin]

Now the Raiola comments make sense.

The sun? Jesus, may aswell right your own article and call it gospel.

 

[Josep Dowling]

Jesus "fans" like you are mental mate. He left us for money? He done the exact same as Sancho. So did Sancho leave City for money????


I'm guessing somehow you will say it's different. Mad as a hatter. Always a way to twist the story.

Comparing Pogba leaving us to Sancho is ridiculous. Ferguson has always stated Pogba left because of Raiola i.e we didn’t meet his salary demands. Sancho left to get game time. If he stayed at City at that stage it’s likely City would have paid him more than Dortmund.

 

[Pexbo]

Now the Raiola comments make sense.

Funny how people take the opposite view point when it’s United that declare they are no longer interested in a target that has just pledged their future to their club.

 

[laughtersassassin]

Comparing Pogba leaving us to Sancho is ridiculous. Ferguson has always stated Pogba left because of Raiola i.e we didn’t meet his salary demands. Sancho left to get game time. If he stayed at City at that stage it’s likely City would have paid him more than Dortmund.

Pogba literally left for game time. He is the perfect example of it. He went to Juve and was starting near instantly. Again lying to yourself if you think he was getting the opportunities here. And that is fair enough. He wanted to play and Fergie didn't think he was ready. No shame in him believing in himself.

 

[alexthelion]

Maybe because fans show him extreme hate.... because he’s black.

When’s the last time we’ve hated our best players for reasons such as dancing? Being injured and getting a hair cut?

Or, maybe, it has nothing to do with colour but his attitude?

 

[laughtersassassin]

Or, maybe, it has nothing to do with colour but his attitude?

Terrible attitude he has. Disgraceful carry on to get injured.

 

[Rozay]

Yes I’m sat there waiting for his next post on Instagram. He’s one of the few United players I don’t follow because I think he’s a bit of a tit.

You just have different interests to him. Or have a weird obsession with training pics captioned ‘come on United’.

He doesn’t do anything weird on Instagram. The fact that you think he’s a tit is odd. He’s either doing charity work, playing another sport, praying or dancing (usually at home). There will be people who that stuff enrages, those people probably share similar interests to Souness and Keane than me I guess. If you were talking about say, Aubameyang’s instagram, I could agree. His are all of his cars and jewellery. I suspect in the mind of many (many who ironically love to use the word ‘lazy’ for Pogba), there is no difference between Pogba and Aubameyang. Both are ‘bling bling, flashy’ footballers.

 

[Josep Dowling]

Pogba literally left for game time. He is the perfect example of it. He went to Juve and was starting near instantly. Again lying to yourself if you think he was getting the opportunities here. And that is fair enough. He wanted to play and Fergie didn't think he was ready. No shame in him believing in himself.

Well I’m going off facts, you’re just going on your own opinion. I think I will stick with what Sir Alex Ferguson has stated many times in interviews.

 

[VP89]

Terrible attitude he has. Disgraceful carry on to get injured.

Athletic did report one of their sources suggested Pogba didn't really look desperate to get back playing only last week.

But they also say his attitude in the summer among all that Real smoke was exemplary. And if today's reports are correct he's with the squad.

It is very curious that he has had a very vague ankle injury, which is fair enough I guess. But him posting with celebrities and enjoying Miami life just a short time after Ole asked his players not to be so open on social media isn't really good form.

 

[Josep Dowling]

You just have different interests to him. Or have a weird obsession with training pics captioned ‘come on United’.

He doesn’t do anything weird on Instagram. The fact that you think he’s a tit is odd. He’s either doing charity work, playing another sport, praying or dancing (usually at home). There will be people who that stuff enrages, those people probably share similar interests to Souness and Keane than me I guess. If you were talking about say, Aubameyang’s instagram, I could agree. His are all of his cars and jewellery. I suspect in the mind of many (many who ironically love to use the word ‘lazy’ for Pogba), there is no difference between Pogba and Aubameyang. Both are ‘bling bling, flashy’ footballers.

And for that reason I wouldn’t have Aubameyang at United either. The reason Arsenal got him is because he has an attitude problem which is why a major club didn’t sign him.

As for the bolded part I have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[laughtersassassin]

Well I’m going off facts, you’re just going on your own opinion. I think I will stick with what Sir Alex Ferguson has stated many times in interviews.

Everyone's read and seen those interviews.... Also remember man turned down Madrid who where the best team in the world for us. He wanted to try get us good again. Pogba's biggest crime was that United failed to build a team cause our owners are awful.

I'll leave you in your imaginary place with your irrational hatred.

 

[VP89]

Everyone's read and seen those interviews.... Also remember man turned down Madrid who where the best team in the world for us. He wanted to try get us good again. Pogba's biggest crime was that United failed to build a team cause our owners are awful.

I'll leave you in your imaginary place with your irrational hatred.

When did he turn down Madrid? They never even wanted to match our offer to the club, let alone get in the running on agreeing terms with the player.

 

[laughtersassassin]

Athletic did report one of their sources suggested Pogba didn't really look desperate to get back playing only last week.

But they also say his attitude in the summer among all that Real smoke was exemplary. And if today's reports are correct he's with the squad.

It is very curious that he has had a very vague ankle injury, which is fair enough I guess. But him posting with celebrities and enjoying Miami life just a short time after Ole asked his players not to be so open on social media isn't really good form.

We sent him to Miami to a rehab centre..... It's not vague ankle injury when he has a cast on? Or was that a cover?

 

[laughtersassassin]

When did he turn down Madrid? They never even wanted to match our offer to the club, let alone get in the running on agreeing terms with the player.

He could have easily went Madrid or stayed at Juve who where also much better than us.

 

[VP89]

We sent him to Miami to a rehab centre..... It's not vague ankle injury when he has a cast on? Or was that a cover?

I'm not really questioning the injury. I'm questioning him following his managers instructions at the time.

 

[VP89]

He could have easily went Madrid or stayed at Juve who where also much better than us.

No he couldn't, because Madrid didn't agree a fee with Juve for him. What don't you get about that? He didn't turn Madrid down for us let's stop making things up.

 

[Rozay]

And for that reason I wouldn’t have Aubameyang at United either. The reason Arsenal got him is because he has an attitude problem which is why a major club didn’t sign him.

As for the bolded part I have no idea what you are talking about.

The other part is what most United players post on their IG, the ones you prefer to follow I suspect.

The other point is the huge difference between Pogba and Aubameyang, the same generalisations shouldn’t be applied to both.

 

[Rozay]

I'm not really questioning the injury. I'm questioning him following his managers instructions at the time.

On what basis are you questioning that?

 

[Josep Dowling]

Everyone's read and seen those interviews.... Also remember man turned down Madrid who where the best team in the world for us. He wanted to try get us good again. Pogba's biggest crime was that United failed to build a team cause our owners are awful.

I'll leave you in your imaginary place with your irrational hatred.

so he turned down Real Madrid to join us because he wanted to make us good again? Do you seriously believe that? He joined because we offered the most money, money Real Madrid would not match.

 

[VP89]

On what basis are you questioning that?

Ole said publically he wants his players to be more boring on social media. Pogba days later posts about being with Pharrel Williams, tagging celebs and what not while being in Miami for rehab.

Now I'm not questioning the injury or the fact that he was there on rehab. He can go and link celebs it's not really a bad thing but he clearly didn't note his managers wishes when posting it on social media. Which, when you're a player who brings uncertainty into the fold with the summer comments, is just bad form.

 

[Rozay]

so he turned down Real Madrid to join us because he wanted to make us good again? Do you seriously believe that? He joined because we offered the most money, money Real Madrid would not match.

Or because he wanted to join Manchester United. It wouldn’t be the first time he’d chosen to join us over other top European clubs, and that time, huge money wasn’t a factor.

I’ve said before but many fans have insecurities about their own club, especially when Big Bad Madrid are involved. Maybe the hot chick just genuinely fancies you, ‘coz you’re not too bad yourself?

 

[Rozay]

Ole said publically he wants his players to be more boring on social media. Pogba days later posts about being with Pharrel Williams, tagging celebs and what not while being in Miami for rehab.

Now I'm not questioning the injury or the fact that he was there on rehab. He can go and link celebs it's not really a bad thing but he clearly didn't note his managers wishes when posting it on social media. Which, when you're a player who brings uncertainty into the fold with the summer comments, is just bad form.

I’m not sure you understand what Ole means. There is a big difference between Jesse Lingard f’in and blinding and jumping a pillow in a Miami hotel, or Mason Greenwood asking a girl if she wants to feck - and Paul Pogba taking a photo with Pharrell Williams ffs. Only one of those will NOT attract media controversy. Guess which one it is?

 

[Cassidy]

Comparing Pogba leaving us to Sancho is ridiculous. Ferguson has always stated Pogba left because of Raiola i.e we didn’t meet his salary demands. Sancho left to get game time. If he stayed at City at that stage it’s likely City would have paid him more than Dortmund.

They both left for the same reasons To play regularly

 

[VP89]

I’m not sure you understand what Ole means. There is a big difference between Jesse Lingard f’in and blinding and jumping a pillow in a Miami hotel, or Mason Greenwood asking a girl if she wants to feck - and Paul Pogba taking a photo with Pharrell Williams ffs. Only one of those will NOT attract media controversy. Guess which one it is?

They will attract contraversy. He took a basketball shot and it caused the press to ask why he's in Miami if he can play basketball. Obviously the video is just a standing shot but it doesn't fail to attract smoke and contraversy.

 

[tenpoless]

He's probably in the "wait and see till the end of season" mode. Real Madrid is okay at the moment but not the back to back CL winning team They used to be. They're still better than us but there are still plenty of games to play. Money wise, what Madrid offers We can offer too and I'm sure He's enjoying his handsome weekly wages.

On top of those, it just makes a lot of sense to shut down rumors mid season. He's just come back from an injury and there's no need for additional pressure. Nothing to see here, just wait till the end of season and hope He performs.

 

[Rozay]

They will attract contraversy. He took a basketball shot and it caused the press to ask why he's in Miami if he can play basketball. Obviously the video is just a standing shot but it doesn't fail to attract smoke and contraversy.

Well that’s a question he can easily answer. The long and short is, if he was not going against Ole’s wishes by being in Miami - then it doesn’t have to be clandestine. He’s allowed to take a photo while he’s there. It’s controversial for shit-stirrers who would like to create a narrative that he isn’t allowed to be there. If you accept that he was allowed to be there, then, you should not find it easy to accept that he’s allowed to take a photo with Pharrell. It’s a nothing story and a million miles away from Jesse and Mason. He’s not ‘disobeyed orders’, don’t be ridiculous.

 

[clarkydaz]

Unless I missed something you said that these players declined Rooney's testimonial, you didn't use them as example of players that have been treated badly by the fanbase. And I never suggested that Pogba was the only player hated by a portion of "fans", I said that it was different to Rooney, for me Shaw is closer to Pogba.

And there is no particular soap opera around him, the press creates most of that nonsense out of nothing. As I said in his thread, the last article from L'Equipe for example was pure speculation based on guesswork and inaccurate informations but twitter still took it as some sort of news when it was an opinion piece. That's the issue with players like Pogba because he is more recognizable than your average player, journalists create a lot of lucrative material about him and almost all of it is unsubstantiated opinions which is fine but it should never be used against the player whoever he is.

jones has supposedly turned down his own testimonial due to how unpopular he is, not Rooneys